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This is a much shorter version of my story. I wasn't raised in a particularly religious home but my parents belonged to a Methodist Church when I was young. Later, I joined the Mormon church when I decided to ask my wife to marry me. I tried to fit into the Mormon religion and I did get suckered in although I never felt like I really belonged. Through the course of several events, I became disillusioned with Mormon church teaching and reevaluated it. Some of what I discovered was shocking. Somehow, my marriage stayed in tact even though I no longer considered myself Mormon and my wife did consider herself to be Mormon. I respected her decision and she respected mine. In early 2021, she passed away and I still miss her a great deal. I don't know what the future holds, but my journey could very well take me many more places.

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I was raised as a Christian and only recently became an atheist.
RussRAB comments on Apr 10, 2020:
The question can be a difficult one. Ultimately, can we teach our children values without indoctrinating them into any particular belief system like a religion? It becomes even more complicated when your child has another significant adult figure who does believe and perhaps does expect indoctrination of the child into a particular religious tradition. When I first confronted this issue, my kids were much older in their teens and early adulthood. At some point, I realized that I wanted my kids to have the same freedom of choice that I had claimed for myself. If that meant they would follow the religious path we had set for them, then so be it. If they chose another, then I wasn't going to love them more or less because of it. Kids are individuals and as much as we might like to believe they are empty slate that we as parents can mold into whatever we want them to be, experience has taught me otherwise. I don't doubt that parenting does have significant influences, but it is also limited in important ways. My advice to you would be to teach your kids important lessons about who they are as unique individuals in this world and how to use their brains to sort out difficult problems and issues. As their parent, learn about their unique characteristics, their abilities and sensibilities, and love them and support them in who they are. Eventually, your kids will have the tools to make what they will of their own lives and they will make decisions about what they believe independent of whatever you or your husband may have taught them. I imagine this has been what you did? It's what most of us here have done since so many here report having been raised in religious homes with religious indoctrination. The challenge is for you to live and interact with your kids as authenically as possible and to teach them by this example that they are acceptable and valuable even when they make mistakes (they don't need someone else to die on a cross for them to make up for it). I wish you the best. Parenting may be the most difficult job to do well, and the rewards are not always as wonderful as you might hope for. This doesn't mean, however, that it isn't an important job or that your efforts won't be worthwhile.
Conservative Columnist Max Boot Looks At History, Concludes Trump Is Worst President Ever.
RussRAB comments on Apr 8, 2020:
Why would we have expected anything much different from a guy who was clearly a con man and criminal, who touted his business successes while having filed for bankruptcy a half dozen times or more, and who had clear racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, homophobic, etc. issues while denying he had any of these tendencies. This was a man who had been involved in thousands of law suits becsuse he broke laws, refused to pay suppliers, employees, contractors, etc., and he was involved in a scam of nationwide proportions while he was a candidate. This scam involved suspected bribes in at least 2 states to halt investigations and possible prosecution. Trump's flawed character isn't any kind of mystery, and this flawed character he brought with him into the White House. No one who was paying attention is surprised Trump has earned the distinction as the worst President ever (the bigger surprise would be if he had done a decent job where he didn't rip off the country). What is a mystery is that so many Americans are fooled by him into thinking he is doing a decent job as President. But then, Trump does have the backing of a corrupt political party that is slowly and systematically dismantling our Democratic Republic.
Here’s my conundrum about Easter and Passover.
RussRAB comments on Apr 7, 2020:
How can we believe the Bible is inerrant when it tells the same stories but with different details? One version of Noah's story says animals were admitted 2 by 2, another that clean animals had 7 admitted. The 4 Gospels are also a good example. Each one contains some similar elements, but each one also contains details the others don't or that contradict one another. So the initial premise of biblical inerrancy is false and makes the rest of the discussion moot.
Near death experience
RussRAB comments on Apr 6, 2020:
Michael Shermer wrote that as space aliens entered the modern consciousness, aliens became more common in NDE's instead of religious figures. He wrote about his own experience of extreme physical stress and exhaustion where he perceived those around him as aliens. He says he could still recall his perceptions and his feelings from this experience as clearly as any of his other memories. On a more personal note, my late mother-in-law had a stroke in her mid sixties. It was serious enough that she was in the hospital for an extended period of time. While there, she experienced a number of hallucinations. One in particular seemed to stick with her through her recovery. She had experienced babies in the wall of her hospital room and had seen their faces and heard them. It became a bit of a joke after she came home because her experience seemed very real to her even after she stopped having hallucinations.
My first tulips this year, love the detail!
RussRAB comments on Apr 5, 2020:
They are beautiful. Tulips dont grow well in Texas where I live, and it is a disappointment.
I had lost faith and confidence on the unpresident of united states.
RussRAB comments on Apr 5, 2020:
Before the 2016 election, candidate Trump was a concern for Republican/conservative supporters and big campaign donors. Republican leaders reassured these donors that they would impeach Trump and remove him from office if they couldn't control him. Obviously, they are pleased enough with his performance to defend him when his corruption - multiple incidents of it - justifies his removal (and probably his imprisonment). It is the same reason that this morally bankrupt man finds some of his staunchest supporters amoung evangelicals and other religious conservatives; he gives them what they have wanted for a long time, and they coronate him their "chosen one" and the "most Godly President ever." Of course, all this means is that the US has more issues with its political health than any of us would care to admit. The sickness goes much deeper than just Trump, and he is as much a symptom like a pustule from chicken pox or small pox when the disease is much more pervasive underneath.
Madeline is 4 months old now.
RussRAB comments on Apr 4, 2020:
Sounds to me like you are doing OK. If she's responding even slowly, that is success. She's a cute pup.
Einsteins blossomed. I cut a bouquet for linda to take to her office.....
RussRAB comments on Mar 31, 2020:
I very much like the yellow and orange together and the small blue flowers add a beautiful accent. What are the blue ones?
More wildflowers.
RussRAB comments on Mar 31, 2020:
It's a pretty flower with lots of buds yet to open. It must be in bloom a long time. I'm wondering if the leaves are the dark green strap like leaves in the third photo. If so, the plant appears to resemble a Yucca as Cast1es said.
Truth at last
RussRAB comments on Mar 30, 2020:
I believe it coming from a Golden Retriever especially. I'd believe it from all the dogs we have shared our lives with too.
I just watched a good portion (forced myself) of ‘The River Church,’ in Tampa Fla, I wanted to ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 30, 2020:
Over half the cases of the nearly 10,000 cases of COVID-19 in South Korea were from members of a Christian sect that told their followers God would protect them from pestilence. Floowers were expected to attend multiple per week services where they were crowded together. Difficult to say how responsible the sect may have been for infecting other Koreans outside their sect. Another South Korean Pastor chastised Christians for staying home and claimed they should feel patriotic if the contracted the coronavirus. As you say, these people are "way out there".
This is perhaps the most famous medical plant of all time, though everyone may not recognize it ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 30, 2020:
Very interesting. I watched a Harry Potter marathon over the weekend while staying inside due to this coronavirus. The scene with the Mandrake plants had the roots looking like babies that screamed very loud although no one went mad (perhaps because of the ear plugs). I had thought the plant and the lore were creations of the author, but apparently not. Thanks for posting this.
Religion/Spirituality
RussRAB comments on Mar 29, 2020:
Thoughts and prayers are only appropriate when you are not able to anything. When you are able, thoughts and prayers are an insult indicating you could care less about whatever the issue is.
Religion/Spirituality
RussRAB comments on Mar 29, 2020:
Research and action.
Trump wants to end this all by Easter. You don't tell Covid-19 what to do. It tells you.
RussRAB comments on Mar 28, 2020:
Trump has misled and misinformed the American public from the beginning of this pandemic. He has downplayed and underestimated its seriousness at every step.
My first dewberries from my yard! More are ripening.
RussRAB comments on Mar 28, 2020:
The look just like blackberries. Do the taste much different?
Yep, to pass the time while hanging by nails on a cross 2000 years ago he was thinking, I wonder who...
RussRAB comments on Mar 28, 2020:
Well, He was God so he didn't really feel any pain. He had to have something to occupy his mind while hanging around.
More irises are blooming.
RussRAB comments on Mar 27, 2020:
Here are two more in bloom I missed earlier.
Christian Preacher: God is Using COVID-19 to Warn America Against Fornication | Hemant Mehta | ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 27, 2020:
Just the other day, we heard Michele Bachmann claim the coronavirus had everything to do with porn and masterbation, while the president's Bible teacher blame this pandemic on the gays. I do wish God would get his message straight before telling all these fundies what it is supposed to be. One might think these fundamentalists are just making it up as they go along.
Will e picking my first green beans of the year this afternoon.
RussRAB comments on Mar 27, 2020:
Sounds delicious. My grandparents grew green beans every year and they were just the best cooked just as you describe. I've never grown a variety I liked as much as theirs.
CORONA VIRUS STATISTICS UPDATE Get the latest of the worldwide stat from here ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 26, 2020:
When I reviewed the site just now, the US leads the world in total cases - including China. I was criticized here not too long ago for quoting an estimate of 50k cases of infections in the US. This count shows the US at 83k. I believe our testing is woefully inadequate in our nation so I expect this number to go even higher. With Republicans encouraging people to go back to work and to resume going out to eat and out for entertainment, it could get a whole lot worse. GOP Lt. Gov. Of Texas Dan Patrick says we should sacrifice our grandparents to this disease to keep our economy running.
So I'm bummed out.
RussRAB comments on Mar 26, 2020:
Is there evidence that pets can carry the virus?
How does the atheist community react or respond to the following for example: This is Lent right ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 26, 2020:
The stock market crashed in 1929 marking the start of the Depression on Oct. 28 and 29 right before Halloween, and again in 2008 on Sep. 29 starting the Great Recession. Sep. 29 was National Coffee Day. In 1945, on Aug. 6 - National Root Beer Float Day - the Enola Gay dropped the first atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima. The point is that bad things, when they occur, must occur at some time on the calendar. This calendar is filled with all sorts of memorials to all sorts of different things, some well known and some not. Events that occur will necessarily correspond to some sort of memorial set on a date on the calendar. That this disease corresponds to Lent is really no more meaningful than when the stock market crashed near Halloween or on National coffee day, or when the day dedicated to root beer floats happens to be the same day thousands of Japanese citizens lost their lives to the world's first use of an atomic weapon. Humans are pattern seeking beings and we can and do find patterns where none exist.
Say “No” to Death’s Dominion | R. R. Reno | First Things
RussRAB comments on Mar 25, 2020:
I read or heard a report somewhere that survivors of COVID-19 show what is expected to be long term damage to lung function, but I am not able to find it. The virus itself is SARS-CoV-2 and this pathogen causes the disease COVID-19. The SARS-CoV-2 belongs to a family of viruses which includes the one which caused SARS years ago. The long term effects of SARS may not be known to a lot of people, but they are significant. The article linked discusses the long term health effects of SARS not COVID-19. The long term effects of COVID-19 will not be known until we have some long term survivors. What I read and now can't find was that the damage to the lungs of COVID-19 survivors was similar to that observed in survivors of the SARS outbreak. Given that the diseases are in the same family and that the condition of the lungs is similar after recovering from these diseases, I think it is reasonable to assume that we can expect long term residual effects to the health of COVID-19 survivors. My point here is that while we discuss who is most at risk of dying from contracting COVID-19, death is not the only adverse effect on those who become infected. Those who recover are likely to experience a lifetime of residual health effects. https://www.thestar.com/life/health_wellness/2010/09/02/sars_survivors_struggle_with_symptoms_years_later.html
I planted a ginkgo sapling a few days ago.
RussRAB comments on Mar 24, 2020:
No experience with ginkgo tree except they can be gorgeous when the leaves turn in Fall.
Zia, our little peanut.
RussRAB comments on Mar 24, 2020:
Good lookin' dog.
My loquat tree surpassed itself this year.
RussRAB comments on Mar 24, 2020:
I guess I'm not as creative. Loquat jam is all that came to mind.
Japanese Truck Gardening Competition [odditycentral.com]
RussRAB comments on Mar 24, 2020:
What an incredible display! It's just beautiful.
Shh...🀭🀭
RussRAB comments on Mar 22, 2020:
That is so funny! LOL!!
If your puppy looks like this they may have corona.
RussRAB comments on Mar 22, 2020:
How Frightening! Now, was that you have corona, or that you had too many Coronas? πŸ˜‰
500,000 infected?
RussRAB comments on Mar 21, 2020:
The US is currently 4th in the total number of cases of COVID-19 and 2nd in the number of reported new cases (China doesn't have a new case number reported). The US is still not testing as aggressively as other natons, so our numbers may be understated. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries There are reasons why we in the US hold these positions. https://digbysblog.net/2020/03/an-epic-cascade-of-errors/?fbclid=IwAR2pva7bJH2BN7YEOfCBUt0r8zQpGu_X110jEDOJKFCi6JloNmS6WEO62g8
Time to put one's money where one's mouth is.
RussRAB comments on Mar 21, 2020:
Love your plumaria and passion flower. If I recall correctly, you live in a more tropicsl/semi-tropical area?
Would be gardeners should never travel in Spring.
RussRAB comments on Mar 21, 2020:
I am to the point where I need to completely redo a couple of my plots. Get out the shoval and turn everything over.
I was looking up information on Dan Barker and his reasons he left Christianity.
RussRAB comments on Mar 21, 2020:
A point or two in my origin post apparently need clarification. I believed I had read that the issue of human suffering was one which Dan Barker had written was a reason he had questioned his faith. I have not read Barker's book, but mamy years ago I had read several articles by him and about him. The specifics of what I read a long time ago are sometimes a little fuzzy. I wanted to try to clarify my memory so I attempted to find something through a Google search. The Wintery Knight website was listed as part of the search. Looking at the summary on the search, I thought the Wintery Knights site might hold the answer I was looking for. It didn't, but it did trigger an old pet peeve al about religionists who belittle the struggle and turmoil of at least some of us who questioned and eventually left our religion. I never doubted that Dan Barker didn't have valid reasons why he left Christianity, nor do I believe that any of the 4 reasons suggested by the Wintery Knights site was one of Barker's reasons. Wintery Knight is not a site I would regularly visit or read from. My comment was from a negative reaction to it. Going to the site at all was due to the snippet Google offered in response to my search which did not reveal the kind of site it was.
Has any one else noticed, you get MORE religion SHOVED down your throat here, than if you were say a...
RussRAB comments on Mar 20, 2020:
Seems to me religion is spit up and out here and not shoved down anyone's throat. Who here is telling you to worship their God (or else), pay offerings to their church (or else), or shaming you for your belief/disbelief different from theirs?
Auntie Zelda has finally overcome her fear of these babies.
RussRAB comments on Mar 20, 2020:
Getting attached to puppies is a problem for me too. Our current 2 poms are a male and female and after considering whether or not to breed them, we chose not to. We get too attached to cute puppies, and we decided we just wanted them to be our pets.
Many people are pushing fake virus cures and are being called out for it.
RussRAB comments on Mar 19, 2020:
Alex Jones needs to pay off some fines. https://apnews.com/f07ede9177eaa45b1792a5559c9c2593 https://apnews.com/cc46fee3220c4e26a77b1239f5132170 https://apnews.com/cc46fee3220c4e26a77b1239f5132170 I suppose he saw televangelist Jim Bakker hocking a silver solution to cure COVID-19 and figured he could cash in on scamming people too.
Some of what's going on in my garden : I don't know what the red berries are , but I suspect they ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 19, 2020:
Beautiful flowers. The one with the berries looks like one I have along my fence. I thought it was sold as a kind of bamboo. It wasn't tall enough for what I needed so I only have the one.
Do you think the Corono-virus will hurt or help religion?
RussRAB comments on Mar 19, 2020:
I think it will be a tough call. Some people will see its futility at solving their problems but others are as likely to find hope, perhaps to see loved ones who died, or a loved one who was ill and recovered (attributed perhaps to prayer).
51 Senate Obstructionist republican fascist voted against paid sick leave to protect us in this ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 19, 2020:
Lawmakers should not be allowed to set their own salaries or benefits. The American taxpayer should need to approve all pay increases. Unless someone owns a business, they don't set their own compensation package. Representative are "hired" by an election and need to be more answerable to their constituents rather than to special interests, big donors outside their districts (the Koch brothers, Mercers, etc.) or even their party. Either we are a government of the people or we aren't.
Today, Thursday, Googling "coronavirus in CT".
RussRAB comments on Mar 19, 2020:
One possible explanation for dramatic increases in cases within the US is that testing was slow to be available to everyone. As testing increases and conducted on a much wider scale, the more cases that had previously gone untested and undetected will come to light. Low numbers which the administration has quoted as "doing a great job" is meaningless when testing is limited. It gives a false picture and allows undetected cases to mingle with the population and to unknowingly spread the disease.
March and it's still true.
RussRAB comments on Mar 18, 2020:
Me Too !!!
Daylilies from last year.
RussRAB comments on Mar 18, 2020:
I have only 1 problem with Daylilies - they only last a day. But then no flower stays around forever as I would like.
When you finally realize that your imaginary friend is going to let you down because they are ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 18, 2020:
Now we know it is a virus. When most religions formed, they didn't have this fact and disease was something God did because humans did something bad or evil (even though those who were evil were as likely to survive as anyone else - go figure).
When I was a teenager and in a bad place, I believed that there was a God.
RussRAB comments on Mar 17, 2020:
I have understood that bad times and difficult living conditions often lend themselves to reliance on supernatural beliefs for confort and hope. The supernatural certainly has been given credit for natural disasters and harsh weather. The supernatural also often promises a better easier afterlife. To me, it seems counter intuitive, but the same is true for other phenomenon such as divorce. Divorce rates tend to drop when economic conditions like a recession come on. I would think the increase stress of economic hardships would cause divorces, but perhaps the need to work together or to rely on one another creates an opposite effect. Perhaps the same is true with belief in the supernatural.
We got rid of one of the puppies, but for some reason nobody is wanting these two sweethearts so ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 17, 2020:
Very cute. I especially like the picture of them under the bed - one sleeping and the other peeking out from behind.
[theguardian.com] Good article on the therapeutic effect of dogs.
RussRAB comments on Mar 17, 2020:
That is a good article. Thanks for posting it. I'm going to ho home and give my dogs a big hug of appreciation. πŸ˜ŠπŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ˜Š
That look!!!
RussRAB comments on Mar 16, 2020:
Let's see ....! a dog that can talk probably could ride a bicycle. πŸ˜‰
Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum Refuse to Close During Coronavirus Scare | Hemant Mehta | ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 15, 2020:
More than half the cases in South Korea are from members of one religious cult which told members not to be concerned about infection because their religious belief protected them. Might we see the same phenomenon here in the US among evangelicals? We have already seen Jim Bakker trying to bilk his viewers with unproven cures, and another televangelist faith healing through the TV set. Others like some of Trump's spiritual advisers are saying similar things. Such disregard for practical measures of protection would seem to imply that evangelicals heeding these religious figures will end up at greater risk of exposure and infection. It certainly was the case in South Korea.
President Trump tests negative for Covid-19.
RussRAB comments on Mar 15, 2020:
The president should be tested. He has been in contact with individuals who have tested positive for the coronavirus. Many many more Americans need to be tested but apparently can't be due to the poor response to this pandemic in the US. I've read estimates of infected individuals as high as 50,000 in the US (obviously not from a source trusted by conservatives since they parroted the president's declaration that it has all been a hoax) but we have only tested several thousand.
Paula White Featured Speaker At Event Promising ‘Supernatural Protection’ From Coronavirus | ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 14, 2020:
If she was vaccinated as a child, can we blame it for her complete and dangerous lunacy?
Documentary : Pet food that kills
RussRAB comments on Mar 14, 2020:
I was told by our vet that the jerky treats seemed to be on the recall/warning list 9 times out of ten as compared to othe pet foods and treats. A few years ago, there was a warning of dogs being poisoned from tainted food/treats.
Why do the nonreligious let that go unchallenged?
RussRAB comments on Mar 14, 2020:
I don't think it does go unchallenged. But superior morals is part of Christian indoctrination and any claim to superiority assumes rights of control. It becomes part of the reward for Christians for sacrifices of their belief.
I have terrible aphid infestation on my loquat tree.
RussRAB comments on Mar 13, 2020:
This site may be helpful. https://www.naturallivingideas.com/12-organic-ways-get-rid-aphids/
Why do the faithful fear coronavirus?
RussRAB comments on Mar 13, 2020:
The other side of this story are those who are trusting God to protect them. I've repeated the situation in South Korea several times here. Over half the cases in this country are among one religious cult which told its followers they would be protected from disease and to continue proselytizing for new convert. They also were instructed to attend their church meetings which are intentionally crowded. Another conservative South Korean preacher has told Christians they should be honored to die from the virus and that it was patriotic. Worse still, an US organization dedicated to freedom of religion is urging the South Korean government to protect the religious freedoms of these religious cults in light of the epidemic/pandemic. We might be able to tolerate some of this nonsense if it only effected those who chose to believe, but these religious fanatics urged to disregard warnings and precautions put everyone at risk because of their beliefs.
Sorry out of tp
RussRAB comments on Mar 13, 2020:
Sorry, I couldn't get the link to work.
Christians, or as I call some of them, christian scum, like to call evolution and science "Lies from...
RussRAB comments on Mar 13, 2020:
The concept of justice per many Christian evangelicals is also convoluted. Access to heaven requires the professing and acceptance of Jesus as your personal saviour and you're in. If you don't believe, then you are out destine to burn for eternity. Even if the believer is the scum of the earth as an individual and the non-believer is near perfect, the believer get the big reward and the non-believer gets burned.
I can only assume a batch of faulty magic underpants is to blame for this Church and ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 11, 2020:
I'd rather they take these precautions than as some other religions which told their congregants that their faith would protect them from becoming ill. About half the cases in South Korea are all from one church which told followers just that, and as a result, the disease spread like crazy among these believers. It didn't help that their rituals involves contact between members. Your comment, however, is not lost on me. Magic underwear doesn't really do anything beyond what regular underwear does. Mormon leaders are likely to be particularly careful since the coronavirus effects older folks much more severely than younger ones. The top 15 are right in the age group to be taken out if they contract the disease.
Wooden Shoe Tulip Farm in Woodburn, Oregon. I think I'll make a visit this year!
RussRAB comments on Mar 11, 2020:
Beautiful. I am a fan of iris and Schriener's Iris Farms are located there in Oregon. I'd love to attend their spring open house sometime. https://www.schreinersgardens.com/about-schreiners
Okay, so there is always the Atheist vs.
RussRAB comments on Mar 11, 2020:
I don't see the whole spectrum of belief and disbelief as static. Individuals change their minds about their beliefs all the time and it is not just agnostics "falling off the fence." Theists become atheist, atheist take on a theistic belief, and agnostics change to atheism or theism. I identify as an agnostic but I believe it also falls into the realm of atheism since I have no specific belief in diety. But agnosticism isn't just fence sitting. In my case, I don't believe God is a knowable entity by human beings. I don't believe human beings with our sensory perceptions or our cognitive abilities can discern between God and an impostor who has abilities or knowledge superior to our own - the greater the difference, the more difficult to discern. Consider the scenario of the alien astronauts coming to earth and encountering prehistoric man. Their abilities would necessarily be far more advanced than that of ancient humans and our distant ancestors could easily mistaken these beings as supernatural Gods. Such phenomenon has occurred with primitive peoples when they come into contact with more advanced cultures. Even today with our own advanced knowledge of the natural world, we may be better prepared to determine a divine fraud, but this does not mean that some beings couldn't have abilities or knowledge which could fool our own to discern. For me, agnosticism is as much a belief that God is unknowable and not just a question of not knowing whether or not if God exists.
At least 3 weeks early this year:
RussRAB comments on Mar 10, 2020:
They are still beautiful. My daffodils were up and blooming in February and are mostly all spent. I have some that come up every year but don't bloom. I imagine they don't get enough cold days.
Lol doggy wants his treat
RussRAB comments on Mar 9, 2020:
That's one way of getting them in the tub.
Oops wrong one
RussRAB comments on Mar 9, 2020:
His owner must have read the sign wrong - is instead of does.
Orthodox Israeli Rabbi Claims Coronavirus is God’s Revenge for Gay Pride Parades | Beth ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 9, 2020:
It's a common enough claim among conservative religious believer apparently of all faiths. The problem for them is that gays will not be the only people to contract the virus and those who are less diligent - like not believing they need to wash their hand like others - will be particularly vulnerable to contracting the disease. I suppose it will make believer angry at gay peple if these zealots lose loved ones to the virus if they truly believe this is the cause. It's mental abuse to try to have anyone believe this kind of nonsense.
How are these god pumping people dealing with the current virus?
RussRAB comments on Mar 9, 2020:
They pray, then go to the doctor and take the medicines prescribed, feel better/recover and attribute their recovery to prayer. If it's dramatic enough, some promenant preacher features them as proof that prayer is effective and lots and lots of people hear about it. They never hear of those who rely on prayer alone and die, or those who die after treatment even if that scenario is the most common outcome. I will never forget the reaction of Iraqis from Bush II's invasion of that country. Regardless of our opinions of this invasion, the reaction of Iraqis being liberated from the oppression of Saddam Hussien was to attribute their liberation to Allah. Never mind the invasion force (of infidels) who toppled the regime, it was Allah who gets all the credit.
Right-Wing Pastor: God Sent Us Coronavirus Because of Homosexuality | Beth Stoneburner | Friendly ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 9, 2020:
These evangelical Pasters are just way too obsessed with gays. Get a real life guys!
I wish this video had been shared millions of times in September 2015.[m.facebook.com]
RussRAB comments on Mar 9, 2020:
The Republucan party of today is nothing like the Republican party of the 1960's. It would be difficult to say how they would react to this video. They might just laugh - they are jaded into believing anything other than what reinforces their belief is fake news.
"Televangelist Jonathan Shuttlesworth claims God will spare conservative red states from the ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 8, 2020:
As time has gone on, the number of cases in the US and the states with cases of coronavirus infections has increased. I wonder (and doubt) if Mr. Shuttlesworth would renounce his prediction/prophesy. https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates-united-states.html
Someone recently argued that greater educational attainment in first nations is the driver behind a ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 6, 2020:
Michael Shermer wrote a book titled "How We Believe" in which he discusses various aspscts of belief within our society. One aspect he examined was educaton and he discussed the results of 2 surveys - one taken from redpondants from the Skeptic Society and one taken by a polling company from a random sample. As expected, the magnatude of the results from the Skeptic Society sample were greater than the randon sample but the trend from both studies were consistent. This trend clearly showed that greater education coresponded positively to a greater degree of disbelief. Those who fit into a category of having earned an advanced degree such as a Masters degree or PhD were more likely to disbelieve than those who had earned a BS or BA, which were more likely to disbelieve that those who has some college but did not earn a degree or who had earned an Associates degree, and this group was more likely to disbelieve than those who had earned no greater education than a High School diploma. Other factors also come into play of course. Other explanations may also explain the observation and correlation does not prove causation. The fact still remains that greater degrees of disbelief corresponds with higher levels of education attained.
It is Time!!! trump 2020. 20 years for Treason, 20 years for Obstruction.
RussRAB comments on Mar 5, 2020:
I love it! I never dreamed I would feel this way about anyone, but what comes to mind with Trump is "LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!"
β€ͺThis 'gay, atheist, leftist' is taking on Poland's right-wing government — by running for ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 5, 2020:
I thought Pete Buttigieg made an excellent candidate in the Democratic Primary. He had impressive educational background, impressive military service, he was well spoken and steady when fielding criticism, etc. I would have rather he had a bit more experience in office although being mayor isn't a bad start. I wouldn't mind seeing Buttigieg serving in politics in the future. Nothing about a gay person is necessarily disqualifying for political leadership. We do ourselves a disservice by disqualifying them out of hand simply for being gay. Without knowing much about Robert Biedron of Poland (just from this article) I hope he can do something to counter the right wing extremism on the rise in Poland.
Finally.
RussRAB comments on Mar 5, 2020:
At 91! Wow! I'd feel lucky just to reach that age much less still be gardening. Congrats on your good start. Btw, I looked up your profile and you don't look anywhere near 91. Good Job!
When a god... any fucking god gets tired of some shit... First Reaction is a Plague... so...
RussRAB comments on Mar 3, 2020:
They won't get it. They will blame the plague on gays , or feminists, abortion, or one of their other favorite scapegoats.
Racism and republiKKKans are holding hands.
RussRAB comments on Mar 3, 2020:
I have no words. Just give me a moment and maybe I'll find a few .........
THE WORLD HEALTH UNDER republiKKKan ADMINISTRATION LED BY trump.
RussRAB comments on Mar 2, 2020:
Trump has no vision of the world beyond how it benefits him. It's evident in nearly everything his administration does.
How can a Country Founded, Populated and Developed by Criminals Expelled of their Native Nation can ...
RussRAB comments on Mar 1, 2020:
I had understood that Britain emptied its debter's prison and sent them to America. These "criminals" wouldn't necessarily be of the same charactere as murders and theives often thought to be incarcerated in a prison. Just the same, the offspring of a criminal can't be assumed to have the same character as the parent. Even certain characteristics that may have contributed to criminal behavior under one set of circumstances may have been an asset under another. The premise of the original comment, however, is incorrect even as the attached article explains. While Britain did release its prisoners in America, they prifoners did not necessrily reach a significant portion of the whole population. America did attract any number of immigrants seeking new opportunity or freedoms from oppression experienced in their homeland. Never the less, I won't find fault in a country like Australia that appears to be a functioning democracy any more that the nations of Europe ruled for centuries by immoral and downright criminal monarchs. As nations, we all have a dark and sordid side that many would prefer to ignore or forget. But either ignoring it or embracing it doesn't change the facts that it exists nor the fact that nations also have their bright accomplishments and successes.
We all believe in evidence-based science, and that's why we're agnostic/atheist, right?
RussRAB comments on Feb 28, 2020:
Is it that we believe evidence-based science, or do we basically trust it more than the alternatives? As was pointed out in a couple discussions from the Creation vs. Evolution board I once participated in, science has made a number of error over time but the errors were caught and corrected by the scientific method and when the evidence no longer supports (or is discovered to have never supported) a previously believe theory. Religious believers on the other hand often holds onto their religious dogma even way past any evidence or common sense to the contrary.
Yup thats why
RussRAB comments on Feb 28, 2020:
Except that most dogs seem to like smelly body odors. Maybe it's the way we tend to perfume ourselves that dogs object to ...
How do you handle garden pests?
RussRAB comments on Feb 28, 2020:
Necessity is the mother of invention. I like what appears to be hinges on the wire overings so you can access the garden. Very clever.
AG William Barr: “Men Are Far Likelier to Obey Rules That Come from God” | Hemant Mehta | ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 27, 2020:
It hasn't been true of Mr. Barr's boss. Barr is so steeped in his own religious confirmation bias that he can't even detect corruption when it smacks him the face every day of his life. Of course, it smacked him in the face and he jumped right on board and participated in the corruption himself. So, I guess Barr's behavior itself refutes his statement and belief.
Faith Healing Kills: Conservative Christian parents in Michigan who refused to get their dying ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 27, 2020:
I participated in a Yahoo discussion group of Creation vs. Evolution. The subject of killing in the name of God came up in one discussion. The response from one creationist was to claim that killing someone in the name of God was not immoral because God gave life and God could restore a life taken by God's command. I suppose most of us on the other side were kind of dumb founded by the comment. I suppose the same could be argued about a life taken for any reason by someone of any belief (or lack of) but I don't recall anyone making that argument. Of course, we have NO examples of someone being killed and God restoring their life. Plenty of opportunities have existed, but no one has ever come back to life.
Thought I'd try to post some photos from my garden.
RussRAB comments on Feb 27, 2020:
Very lovely. You've made good use of your space. I wouldn't mind relaxing there if I had the opportunity.
Faith Healing Kills: Conservative Christian parents in Michigan who refused to get their dying ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 26, 2020:
Jehovah's Witness have been allowed to refuse certain life saving procedures for their chidren for a long time. I believe their is a supreme Court ruling "protecting" their religious freedom (sometimes at the expense of their children's lives).
Having been encouraged by @Heidi68 who posted about her success with orchids, I had purchased one ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 25, 2020:
It's a beautiful flower. You chose well. 😊
I miss church.
RussRAB comments on Feb 24, 2020:
You might look into a Unitarian church. I understand congregation can vary a lot but many are diverse with various beliefs. Those I have been aware of have been very accepting od nontheists as well as alternate religious beliefs.
I went hiking through the woods on the back side of my property a few weeks ago and found this log.
RussRAB comments on Feb 24, 2020:
You have a lovely collection of orchids. The log you found will be very beautiful once your orchids take hold (and even now being strapped on).
What dissappoints me most when reading posts by many atheists/agnostics is the tendency to blame the...
RussRAB comments on Feb 24, 2020:
In recalling my own journey out of religion, I recall being the victim of any number of well meaning religionists acting out of their life long indoctrination/brainwashing. Their concern often manifested in a kind of ridicule intended or not and they often encouraged that I ignore or deny things I learned that made more sense to me than did their alternate inside-the-box explanations. The point here is that those who are still the victims of their lifelong indoctrination/brainwashing - I don't disagree with you on this point - they can also be perpetrators looking for victims to either spread their indoctrination/brainwashing, or victims who need to be reinforced in the indoctrination/brainwashing. The roles an individual can play are not static and can change with the individuals intent in relation to those around them
I am an atheist in a supernatural God but I have come to see that as long as someone is talking ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 23, 2020:
Your concept of God sound very much like the way Einstein referred to God. Einstein would regularly make references to God in his writings as the beauty he found in the natural world and as represented in the equations physicists found in the natural world. But Einstein's references were often musunderstood by those who conceived of God in a different way. Because the term being used is the same, it gave theist the opportunity to claim that Einstein believed something he didn't actually believe. Einstein once stated, "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” My conclusion is that it is probably better to avoid using the term God in order to avoid this confusion and misunderstanding (whether accidental or intentional). Terms like natural order or somthing similar may be close enough to convey the wonder and spiritual-like awe for the beauty and wonder of the natural world. As a side line: My God concept - the closest to a belief, but not a belief - is a pantheist concept of God where God is the equivalent of everything real in the universe. This is not a personal God that one can pray to and expect an answer or response, and it would include all the ugly things of the universe - like predation, starvation, disease, pain and suffering, etc. It isn't necessarily a pretty or feel good version of God we generally like to conceive, but it includes all this but also all the opposites as well.
This is my dog.
RussRAB comments on Feb 22, 2020:
I love that second picture. So relaxed and owning the couch. Have you ever seen a Puggle? It was popular a while ago but I haven't heard much about them for a while. They are a cross between a Pug and a Beagle. That was my first thought when seeing the first pic.
Henbit could probably best be described as a weed.
RussRAB comments on Feb 22, 2020:
OOPS! I don't know how I did it, but I posted this comment twice. Ugh!
Have you ever thought of religion and communism as not being that different?
RussRAB comments on Feb 19, 2020:
Any idea can become an obsession to the point of being cultlike. Micheal Shermer wrote about Ayn Rand in his book Why People Believe Weird Things. Her concept of objectivism became cult of personality with her followers worshiping her as if she could do no wrong. In my view, religions are only ways people view the world and try to make sense of it - at least, that would be how the started out. For the most part, communism is pretty much the same.
Loved this article - some of these plants I've only eaten once or twice, or not seen in years! ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 17, 2020:
Enjoyed the link.I haven't tried many of what was listed but several look interesting to consider. I did grow sun chokes for several years but found I don't care for their flavor. I bought the sun chokes from the produce department at a local grocery store. I did the same with tumeric and ginger but I'm not certain they made it through the winter even though it's relatively mild here. We still get a hard freeze a couple times each year.
I've just started reading "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins and he say something that I never ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 16, 2020:
I recall reading that monotheism was often a evolution due to political concerns where the preferred God of rulers became the only God that could be worshipped and recognized. Any and all offerings must be made only to this preferred diety. Regardless of the status of Gods, even monotheisti Gods are surrounded by a 'heavenly hosts' of helpers. In Christianity, they're angels some with names and specific roles. The model is of monarchies where a monotheist God or a polytheist king of Gods sits on a throne as if holding court.
I watched "What On Earth" to discover that we have satellites everywhere that can zoom in on ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 16, 2020:
The Noah's Ark story has mountains of problems to overcome unless magical means are employed to resolve these problems. Once magic (or miracles) becomes acceptable, no problem resulting from natural means can't be solved. I have heard magical arguments like all the predatory animals ate hay so they wouldn't try to prey on their natural food sources. One person once suggested that God miniturized all the animals so they didn't need as much space or as much food. I suppose God could have put them all in some kind of suspended animation to solve all the problems of food and waste products. Somewhere the Bible says all things are possible with God, so anything one can imagine is possible to solve any problem with any Bible story. It's a no lose situation unless one is interested in actual facts to come close to what is actually true. Final thought: Greenland ice core research (GISP2) has counted annual ice layers back some 110,000 years using multiple methods. Nowhere in these ice cores is there any indication of a worldwide flood covering all the earth. Paul H Seely is a graduate with a B.D. from the Westminster Theological Seminary of Philadelphia who wrote a lengthy article in 2003 describing the methods and findings of the ice core research, and he explains how the observations from this research disprove a worldwide flood that covered all the earth.
Politics Question. How will you vote...and WHY?
RussRAB comments on Feb 14, 2020:
Trump is a danger to the basic philosophy of our government in relation to the people of the nation. His ignorance of how our government is supposed to work coupled with his gross, unrestrained greed, inability to be truthful, and malignant narcissism causes him to act in his own self interest at the expense of anyone and everyone else. Trump has a very long history of lawlessness to satisfy his greed which has included bribery, fraud, tax fraud, and bringing in illegal immigrants to perform work on tourist Visas and instructed these workers to lie to authorities if asked about their status. Trump has connections with all sorts of nefatious characters around the world including the Russian mob and is suspscted of laundering money for corrupt international leaders attempting to legitimize money embezzled out of their countries of origin. Accumulating money and wealth is Trump's primary and perhaps sole concern which causes him to be incapable of being a civil servant who considers the welfare and benefit of all Americans. Ordinarily, I would prefer to answer this poll differently, but Trump poses such an extreme threat to our nation that removing him from office is a primary concern. So far, none of the Democratic candidates show anything remotely close to the defective character and atrocious behavior of Trump. Any of them would make a better President than our current poor excuse for a human being President.
America Isn’t Growing Hostile Towards Christians, It’s Growing Hostile Towards Religious ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 9, 2020:
It must be that the number of religious bullies are increasing.
Christian Blogger on Hitting Kids: “You Must Make Sure It Hurts to be Effective” | Beth ...
RussRAB comments on Feb 9, 2020:
Christisns can be so far behind the times. "Spanking is correlated strongly and quite exclusively with multiple negative outcomes for children. The negative outcomes often appear only after the spanking has begun, and the effects of spanking remain significant and sizable even after controlling for the influence of other variables such as parental age, child age, sex, race, family structure, poverty, emotional support, cognitive stimulation, etc." https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201802/the-spanking-debate-is-over
Im puppy sitting my moms Bassett Hound. My Transylvanian Hound isnt happy
RussRAB comments on Feb 8, 2020:
Your mom's Basset Hound looks like he couldn't care less. Made himself right at home.
A convoluted argument hard to grasp for agnostics, but if it were to succeed...? [sojo.net]
RussRAB comments on Feb 7, 2020:
In many ways, the natural world has been considered an adversary threatening life; one which God often uses through its extreme such as floods and earthquakes to punish humans for defying God in some way. We still use the phrase "acts of God" in insurance to describe certain incidents with no particular reason for why they occurred. Many aspects of religion would appear (imo) to keep people separated from nature rather than integrated with it. I recall passages from Genesis Christian know granting humans dominion over everything connected twith the earth and that God gave the earth to humans to use for their benefit. These passages have had as much to do with Christians supporting environmental abuses or at least disregarding environmental protections.
Attorney General Warns of 'Militant Secular Effort' to Drive Out Religion
RussRAB comments on Feb 4, 2020:
Barr should be more concerned with the rise of the militant right. https://warontherocks.com/2019/11/are-we-entering-a-new-era-of-far-right-terrorism/