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Well there you go, apparently God prefers kind atheists to some Christians! (Probably depends on ...
WeaZ comments on Nov 8, 2019:
But I thought atheists have no morals? Lol
RussRAB replies on Nov 8, 2019:
@WeaZ - All I know is that there are as many Christians who believe in many versions of a Christian God as anyone can imagine, and they all think they alone know the right God and the right Jesus. They all have their own ideas about atheists and non-Christians. I have little doubt that some Christians somewhere believe as you describe.
WeaZ comments on Nov 8, 2019:
But I thought atheists have no morals? Lol
RussRAB replies on Nov 8, 2019:
@WeaZ - All I know is that there are as many Christians who believe in many versions of a Christian God as anyone can imagine, and they all think they alone know the right God and the right Jesus. They all have their own ideas about atheists and non-Christians. I have little doubt that some Christians somewhere believe as you describe.
Well there you go, apparently God prefers kind atheists to some Christians! (Probably depends on ...
WeaZ comments on Nov 8, 2019:
But I thought atheists have no morals? Lol
RussRAB replies on Nov 8, 2019:
Well it does say "kind" atheists, not moral ones.
WeaZ comments on Nov 8, 2019:
But I thought atheists have no morals? Lol
RussRAB replies on Nov 8, 2019:
Well it does say "kind" atheists, not moral ones.
Are there songs that have distinct religious messages or even religious overtones that you like ...
RussRAB comments on Nov 3, 2019:
"You Say" by Lauren Daigle. I had to hear it sung several times to catch on it was a religious song even though the last verse addresses God.
https://youtu.be/sIaT8Jl2zpI
RussRAB replies on Nov 3, 2019:
@Kynlei - That's what I thought.
RussRAB comments on Nov 3, 2019:
"You Say" by Lauren Daigle. I had to hear it sung several times to catch on it was a religious song even though the last verse addresses God.
https://youtu.be/sIaT8Jl2zpI
RussRAB replies on Nov 3, 2019:
@Kynlei - That's what I thought.
I just read that there have been approximately 108 billion people in history.
RussRAB comments on Nov 3, 2019:
Reminds me of the following which was supposed to be a real incident. Note that one of the premises is that multiple religions condemn all other religious believers destin for hell, so he postulates that everyone goes to hell.
https://www.albany.edu/faculty/miesing/teaching/assess/hell.html
...
RussRAB replies on Nov 3, 2019:
@AttilaThePun - Me too. The dates of where I found this were about 10 year ago, but I believe I first read it before that.
RussRAB comments on Nov 3, 2019:
Reminds me of the following which was supposed to be a real incident. Note that one of the premises is that multiple religions condemn all other religious believers destin for hell, so he postulates that everyone goes to hell.
https://www.albany.edu/faculty/miesing/teaching/assess/hell.html
...
RussRAB replies on Nov 3, 2019:
@AttilaThePun - Me too. The dates of where I found this were about 10 year ago, but I believe I first read it before that.
Here's something interesting.
RussRAB comments on Nov 3, 2019:
I read part of a book some time ago, but I don't recall the title nor the author except his first name Robert. The book was about how religions evolve over time. This book said that with pa theons of Gods, it was not unusual for new Gods to be adopted from other religions. In one case where one ...
RussRAB replies on Nov 3, 2019:
@Geoffrey51 - That appears to be a very good guess. I believe it was "The Evolution Of God" by Robert Wright. Sorry I couldn't recall it earlier.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6340873-the-evolution-of-god
RussRAB comments on Nov 3, 2019:
I read part of a book some time ago, but I don't recall the title nor the author except his first name Robert. The book was about how religions evolve over time. This book said that with pa theons of Gods, it was not unusual for new Gods to be adopted from other religions. In one case where one ...
RussRAB replies on Nov 3, 2019:
@Geoffrey51 - That appears to be a very good guess. I believe it was "The Evolution Of God" by Robert Wright. Sorry I couldn't recall it earlier.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6340873-the-evolution-of-god
In my opinion, evolution is the greatest stumbling block for a theistic worldview, especially when ...
brentan comments on Nov 3, 2019:
This might raise a smile:
‘… the philosopher Leibniz famously maintains that, since the world was created by God, and since the mind of God is the most benevolent and capable mind imaginable, the world must be the best world imaginable. Under such a system, humans perceive evil only because ...
RussRAB replies on Nov 3, 2019:
The idea of "the best of all possible worlds" must necessarily be viewed in terms of the requirements of the organisms in question. When I took Biology in college and the class covered the metabolism, we learned that life on earth was anaerobic because oxygen was a reactive molecule and was bound up in compounds like carbon dioxide, nitrous oxides, and other oxidized compounds. The biproduct of anaerobic metabolism is O2 and before earth's organisms adapted to metabolize using oxygen (becoming aerobic), it was a poison. Anaerobic life on earth was threatened by the very chemical we as humans rely on for our survival. To be completely disgusting, our single celled ancestors thrived on the waste product from the dominant form of life at the time. So, the best possible world for any particular organism depends on the needs of that life form.
brentan comments on Nov 3, 2019:
This might raise a smile:
‘… the philosopher Leibniz famously maintains that, since the world was created by God, and since the mind of God is the most benevolent and capable mind imaginable, the world must be the best world imaginable. Under such a system, humans perceive evil only because ...
RussRAB replies on Nov 3, 2019:
The idea of "the best of all possible worlds" must necessarily be viewed in terms of the requirements of the organisms in question. When I took Biology in college and the class covered the metabolism, we learned that life on earth was anaerobic because oxygen was a reactive molecule and was bound up in compounds like carbon dioxide, nitrous oxides, and other oxidized compounds. The biproduct of anaerobic metabolism is O2 and before earth's organisms adapted to metabolize using oxygen (becoming aerobic), it was a poison. Anaerobic life on earth was threatened by the very chemical we as humans rely on for our survival. To be completely disgusting, our single celled ancestors thrived on the waste product from the dominant form of life at the time. So, the best possible world for any particular organism depends on the needs of that life form.
Most people on here are atheists and that's cool and all but who on here is truly agnostic.
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Nov 1, 2019:
Your take is that of deists:
https://www.exploregod.com/has-god-left-us-to-ourselves
I agree that IF there is a creator/creatrix, it/he/she created the world and then, left it to its own devices.
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
My favorite concept of deity is s9mething akin to pantheism. If we postulate that the spirit of an individual is that which animates the individual, then perhaps God is that which animates the universe. I believe this is similar to the deist concept except God in still involved but not in intervening, just making the universe work as it does. God more or less is the universe, not that he/she/it set it in motion and then left.
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Nov 1, 2019:
Your take is that of deists:
https://www.exploregod.com/has-god-left-us-to-ourselves
I agree that IF there is a creator/creatrix, it/he/she created the world and then, left it to its own devices.
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
My favorite concept of deity is s9mething akin to pantheism. If we postulate that the spirit of an individual is that which animates the individual, then perhaps God is that which animates the universe. I believe this is similar to the deist concept except God in still involved but not in intervening, just making the universe work as it does. God more or less is the universe, not that he/she/it set it in motion and then left.
Bad ass dog
Redheadedgammy comments on Nov 1, 2019:
I had no idea dogs were used like this.
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
@bobwjr - That would be consistent with what I have read. I had an interest in Tibetan Spaniels at one time. The history of this breed was reported to have turned prayer wheels when they weren't sitting on top of monestary walls to bark at visitors and intruders. The Tibetan Mastiffs would be alerted to come around to investigate and intimidate anyone who shouldn't be there.
Redheadedgammy comments on Nov 1, 2019:
I had no idea dogs were used like this.
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
@bobwjr - That would be consistent with what I have read. I had an interest in Tibetan Spaniels at one time. The history of this breed was reported to have turned prayer wheels when they weren't sitting on top of monestary walls to bark at visitors and intruders. The Tibetan Mastiffs would be alerted to come around to investigate and intimidate anyone who shouldn't be there.
Bad ass dog
Redheadedgammy comments on Nov 1, 2019:
I had no idea dogs were used like this.
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
@bobwjr - I have a difficult time imagining a pekinese that large. I'm not doubting you, just have difficulty imaging it. Tibetan Mastiffs kind of look like Pekes, I wonder if these large Pekinese are the progenitors of the Tibetan Mastiffs. I wouldn't be at all surprised if any number of breeds came from Pekinese like anscestors - Tibetan Spaniels, Terriers, and Mastiffs: the Pekinese, and possibly the Pug and who knows which others.
Redheadedgammy comments on Nov 1, 2019:
I had no idea dogs were used like this.
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
@bobwjr - I have a difficult time imagining a pekinese that large. I'm not doubting you, just have difficulty imaging it. Tibetan Mastiffs kind of look like Pekes, I wonder if these large Pekinese are the progenitors of the Tibetan Mastiffs. I wouldn't be at all surprised if any number of breeds came from Pekinese like anscestors - Tibetan Spaniels, Terriers, and Mastiffs: the Pekinese, and possibly the Pug and who knows which others.
Bad ass dog
Redheadedgammy comments on Nov 1, 2019:
I had no idea dogs were used like this.
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
@bobwjr - I think I saw that movie. I know war dogs were used during the Middle Ages and with the Roman army was well. One of these periods is where the sterotypical spiked collars come from to protect the dogs' necks from other canines.
Redheadedgammy comments on Nov 1, 2019:
I had no idea dogs were used like this.
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
@bobwjr - I think I saw that movie. I know war dogs were used during the Middle Ages and with the Roman army was well. One of these periods is where the sterotypical spiked collars come from to protect the dogs' necks from other canines.
Bad ass dog
SiouxcitySue comments on Nov 1, 2019:
I am a dog lover through and through. The dogs in the pic appear to be Belgian Malinois. They are working dogs, originally herders, which requires a lot of intelligence, and they are purported to be extremely intelligent. An intelligent dog, like an intelligent human, requires focus and purpose in ...
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
The Belgian Malinois has been used as police dogs for at least 25 years. I took a tax class with a guy who was also in training with a local canine law enforcement program. His dog was a Malinois and it snared at me viciously when I walked by him in his carrier one day. The guy in my class was quick to warn against trying to pet his dog.
I had thought his was a small sized German Shepard, but I was mistaken.
SiouxcitySue comments on Nov 1, 2019:
I am a dog lover through and through. The dogs in the pic appear to be Belgian Malinois. They are working dogs, originally herders, which requires a lot of intelligence, and they are purported to be extremely intelligent. An intelligent dog, like an intelligent human, requires focus and purpose in ...
RussRAB replies on Nov 1, 2019:
The Belgian Malinois has been used as police dogs for at least 25 years. I took a tax class with a guy who was also in training with a local canine law enforcement program. His dog was a Malinois and it snared at me viciously when I walked by him in his carrier one day. The guy in my class was quick to warn against trying to pet his dog.
I had thought his was a small sized German Shepard, but I was mistaken.
I have asked on social media, did God know Adam and Eve were going to sin when he created them.
RussRAB comments on Oct 27, 2019:
If God knew Adam and Eve were going to sin, why was he angry with them? It couldn't have been a surprise.
RussRAB replies on Oct 28, 2019:
@Ryu-Dad - Mormon believed that Adam and Eve had to gain knowledge - to eat of the fruit of knowledge - in order to have sex and procreate. Perhaps that was why they were so anxious to taste that fruit.
RussRAB comments on Oct 27, 2019:
If God knew Adam and Eve were going to sin, why was he angry with them? It couldn't have been a surprise.
RussRAB replies on Oct 28, 2019:
@Ryu-Dad - Mormon believed that Adam and Eve had to gain knowledge - to eat of the fruit of knowledge - in order to have sex and procreate. Perhaps that was why they were so anxious to taste that fruit.
Is anyone familiar with the organization "Refuse Fascism"?
Geoffrey51 comments on Oct 27, 2019:
All I know is I went to the site to check them out and a pop up jumped onto my screen asking for money, do not interested
RussRAB replies on Oct 27, 2019:
I got that too. It was easily closed, but still offensive. A lot of political things are that way. Very popular these days are surveys ending with a question of how much you will contribute with no option for nothing.
Geoffrey51 comments on Oct 27, 2019:
All I know is I went to the site to check them out and a pop up jumped onto my screen asking for money, do not interested
RussRAB replies on Oct 27, 2019:
I got that too. It was easily closed, but still offensive. A lot of political things are that way. Very popular these days are surveys ending with a question of how much you will contribute with no option for nothing.
A simple syllogism- if evil exists there cannot be a god both benevolent and all powerful
Some ...
RiverRick comments on Oct 27, 2019:
Why do people post this stuff? We already know there isn't a god. Why do people like to post stuff still asking questions?
Whatever your question is... The answer is, THERE IS NO GOD!
RussRAB replies on Oct 27, 2019:
New members regularly join this site. A new member may ask for confirmation for concept duscussed prior to when they joined. I see nothing wrong with supporting them where they are in their process without shaming them for bring up a concept that has been btought up before.
RiverRick comments on Oct 27, 2019:
Why do people post this stuff? We already know there isn't a god. Why do people like to post stuff still asking questions?
Whatever your question is... The answer is, THERE IS NO GOD!
RussRAB replies on Oct 27, 2019:
New members regularly join this site. A new member may ask for confirmation for concept duscussed prior to when they joined. I see nothing wrong with supporting them where they are in their process without shaming them for bring up a concept that has been btought up before.
I just started going to meetings (12 step recovery) and the higher power thing is kinda jamming me ...
RussRAB comments on Oct 24, 2019:
12 Step Programs have a book or pamphlet for the atheist. I have no idea what it says, but it might br a resource for you.
RussRAB replies on Oct 25, 2019:
@Marcie1974 - The absolute arrogance of some religionists. Sheesh!
RussRAB comments on Oct 24, 2019:
12 Step Programs have a book or pamphlet for the atheist. I have no idea what it says, but it might br a resource for you.
RussRAB replies on Oct 25, 2019:
@Marcie1974 - The absolute arrogance of some religionists. Sheesh!
I just started going to meetings (12 step recovery) and the higher power thing is kinda jamming me ...
RussRAB comments on Oct 24, 2019:
12 Step Programs have a book or pamphlet for the atheist. I have no idea what it says, but it might br a resource for you.
RussRAB replies on Oct 24, 2019:
@Marcie1974 - Well, that's disappointing!
RussRAB comments on Oct 24, 2019:
12 Step Programs have a book or pamphlet for the atheist. I have no idea what it says, but it might br a resource for you.
RussRAB replies on Oct 24, 2019:
@Marcie1974 - Well, that's disappointing!
"Southern trees bear strange fruit
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
Black bodies swinging...
DevilMayCare comments on Oct 22, 2019:
How a racist hate-monger masterminded America’s War on Drugs https://timeline.com/harry-anslinger-racist-war-on-drugs-prison-industrial-complex-fb5cbc281189
RussRAB replies on Oct 22, 2019:
Portugal came up with a different approach to drug addiction and theg are having great success. I wish the US could get a clue. It does appear that Harry Anslinger had an ulterior motive.
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/04/18/524380027/in-portugal-drug-use-is-treated-as-a-medical-issue-not-a-crime
DevilMayCare comments on Oct 22, 2019:
How a racist hate-monger masterminded America’s War on Drugs https://timeline.com/harry-anslinger-racist-war-on-drugs-prison-industrial-complex-fb5cbc281189
RussRAB replies on Oct 22, 2019:
Portugal came up with a different approach to drug addiction and theg are having great success. I wish the US could get a clue. It does appear that Harry Anslinger had an ulterior motive.
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/04/18/524380027/in-portugal-drug-use-is-treated-as-a-medical-issue-not-a-crime
Ok.
Stephanie99 comments on Oct 20, 2019:
Does any say that we DO have the right to bash other people's beliefs?
RussRAB replies on Oct 20, 2019:
@PondartIncbendog - I will second the idea that we do have the right to criticize what we see as faulty beliefs. I wouldn't use the term "bash", although, a believer may view the criticism as bashing.
Stephanie99 comments on Oct 20, 2019:
Does any say that we DO have the right to bash other people's beliefs?
RussRAB replies on Oct 20, 2019:
@PondartIncbendog - I will second the idea that we do have the right to criticize what we see as faulty beliefs. I wouldn't use the term "bash", although, a believer may view the criticism as bashing.
Ok.
Sierra4 comments on Oct 20, 2019:
But the christians bash other people beliefs. Example AG Bill Barr at Notre Dame recently.
RussRAB replies on Oct 20, 2019:
@DonaldHRoberts - The same "rise above them" could be your message to believers when they feel "bashed" by non-believers. Why attack non-believers in defense of the beliefs of belivers when you are not willing to do the same for non-believers?
Sierra4 comments on Oct 20, 2019:
But the christians bash other people beliefs. Example AG Bill Barr at Notre Dame recently.
RussRAB replies on Oct 20, 2019:
@DonaldHRoberts - The same "rise above them" could be your message to believers when they feel "bashed" by non-believers. Why attack non-believers in defense of the beliefs of belivers when you are not willing to do the same for non-believers?
Ok.
RussRAB comments on Oct 20, 2019:
I basically agree given that the term you used is "bashing". I see nothing wrong with challenging or questioning beliefs of others.
RussRAB replies on Oct 20, 2019:
@DonaldHRoberts - No violent physical assaults have occurred here, unless someone has found a way to reach through cyberspace. Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't see this definition helps your argiment.
RussRAB comments on Oct 20, 2019:
I basically agree given that the term you used is "bashing". I see nothing wrong with challenging or questioning beliefs of others.
RussRAB replies on Oct 20, 2019:
@DonaldHRoberts - No violent physical assaults have occurred here, unless someone has found a way to reach through cyberspace. Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't see this definition helps your argiment.
Ok.
Seeker3CO comments on Oct 20, 2019:
Actually, we all have the right to bash others beliefs. It is a right granted in the US constitution. Freedom of thought and speech. And I will most definitely bash, puree, filet, chop, slaughter, mince, etc. some of the ridiculous beliefs others have. I will most definitely attack and savage the ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 20, 2019:
An intersting distinction I find i reading through the comments is that individuals are not their beliefs. Beliefs do get entangled with our identity and ego, and they are often indistinguishable by the believer. But beliefs are not the individual and "bashing" the beliefs is not exactly the same as ""bashing" the individual. The line could easily be crossed if the comments become personal, but challenging concepts, reasoning, conclusions, etc. is not the same as attacking the person.
Seeker3CO comments on Oct 20, 2019:
Actually, we all have the right to bash others beliefs. It is a right granted in the US constitution. Freedom of thought and speech. And I will most definitely bash, puree, filet, chop, slaughter, mince, etc. some of the ridiculous beliefs others have. I will most definitely attack and savage the ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 20, 2019:
An intersting distinction I find i reading through the comments is that individuals are not their beliefs. Beliefs do get entangled with our identity and ego, and they are often indistinguishable by the believer. But beliefs are not the individual and "bashing" the beliefs is not exactly the same as ""bashing" the individual. The line could easily be crossed if the comments become personal, but challenging concepts, reasoning, conclusions, etc. is not the same as attacking the person.
Sssssooooo, if god was/is/use to be without form and void, to the point that there was nothing ...
RussRAB comments on Oct 19, 2019:
It's because God was always a projecton of self, and males have dominate cultural structures.
https://www.pnas.org/content/106/51/21533
RussRAB replies on Oct 19, 2019:
@IAJO163 - Well, I doubt people who were black, brown, red, purple, or green would project a white God unless their culture idealized the color white for some reason, or unless the white God was imposed upon their culture from one outside it. I would imagine the white Christian God was adapted to fit the white Europeans cultures from a darker shaded Middle Eastern like version conceived first by those peoples who invented them.
A Christmas hymm we sang in our high school choir for our Christmas program said that the children in different parts of the world saw the face of the baby Jesus like their own but eith heavenly grace. I would surmise that this concept didn't apply to children only.
RussRAB comments on Oct 19, 2019:
It's because God was always a projecton of self, and males have dominate cultural structures.
https://www.pnas.org/content/106/51/21533
RussRAB replies on Oct 19, 2019:
@IAJO163 - Well, I doubt people who were black, brown, red, purple, or green would project a white God unless their culture idealized the color white for some reason, or unless the white God was imposed upon their culture from one outside it. I would imagine the white Christian God was adapted to fit the white Europeans cultures from a darker shaded Middle Eastern like version conceived first by those peoples who invented them.
A Christmas hymm we sang in our high school choir for our Christmas program said that the children in different parts of the world saw the face of the baby Jesus like their own but eith heavenly grace. I would surmise that this concept didn't apply to children only.
Ideally, should religious people be:
Allamanda comments on Oct 15, 2019:
of course it does depend which religion and what you mean by practising... If you include proselytizing... then those whose religions don't require this are not on a footing with those who do. Proselytizing OUGHT TO BE ILLEGAL.
RussRAB replies on Oct 15, 2019:
I believe proselytizing is illegal in some nations. I seem to recall a Mormon missionary returned from Thailand who reported that tbey were not allowed to knock on doors or to approach people about religion. They tried to make themselves visible until someone asked who they were and what they were doing. This kind of restriction doesn't sound bad to me.
Allamanda comments on Oct 15, 2019:
of course it does depend which religion and what you mean by practising... If you include proselytizing... then those whose religions don't require this are not on a footing with those who do. Proselytizing OUGHT TO BE ILLEGAL.
RussRAB replies on Oct 15, 2019:
I believe proselytizing is illegal in some nations. I seem to recall a Mormon missionary returned from Thailand who reported that tbey were not allowed to knock on doors or to approach people about religion. They tried to make themselves visible until someone asked who they were and what they were doing. This kind of restriction doesn't sound bad to me.
Seems obvious
Joe Walsh
@WalshFreedom
Republicans, repeat after me:
1.
IamNobody comments on Oct 15, 2019:
It's not that clear cut to me:
1. Didn't Dems paid a British ( Foreign individual ) to collude to get dirt on Trump through Fussion to get the big nothing burger Mueller train rolling for nothing?
2. Isn't that exactly what Dems did to get the "Dossier"?
3. Isn't that what Biden did, to have an ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 15, 2019:
@IamNobody - Given all the same facts, I see nothing wrong. It is true that Pres. Trump has told enough lies and has so regularly misrepresented the truth that I fi d reason to distrust anything that comes out of his mouth and from those supporting him. I would expect that anyone understanding the huge degree of dishonesty that comes from Trump would feel the same.
More importantly, however, I am offended that you believe my position is not a matter of collecting facts and making my decision on these facts. Rather, your question strongly implies I am only reacting to personalities. It is not the case.
IamNobody comments on Oct 15, 2019:
It's not that clear cut to me:
1. Didn't Dems paid a British ( Foreign individual ) to collude to get dirt on Trump through Fussion to get the big nothing burger Mueller train rolling for nothing?
2. Isn't that exactly what Dems did to get the "Dossier"?
3. Isn't that what Biden did, to have an ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 15, 2019:
@IamNobody - Given all the same facts, I see nothing wrong. It is true that Pres. Trump has told enough lies and has so regularly misrepresented the truth that I fi d reason to distrust anything that comes out of his mouth and from those supporting him. I would expect that anyone understanding the huge degree of dishonesty that comes from Trump would feel the same.
More importantly, however, I am offended that you believe my position is not a matter of collecting facts and making my decision on these facts. Rather, your question strongly implies I am only reacting to personalities. It is not the case.
Seems obvious
Joe Walsh
@WalshFreedom
Republicans, repeat after me:
1.
IamNobody comments on Oct 15, 2019:
It's not that clear cut to me:
1. Didn't Dems paid a British ( Foreign individual ) to collude to get dirt on Trump through Fussion to get the big nothing burger Mueller train rolling for nothing?
2. Isn't that exactly what Dems did to get the "Dossier"?
3. Isn't that what Biden did, to have an ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 15, 2019:
1. The Mueller investigation had plenty of incidents we know occurred here to justify the time and expense. For starters, Trump campaign staff made up of Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and then campaign manager met with Russian lawyer and other Russian agents at Trump Tower with the hope of gathering dirt on Trump's political opponent Hillary Clinton. Some intersting evidence suggests that Trump was also in the building when this meeting took place. If this was the case, he was likely at least listening in on the meeting if not participating in some way given todays technology.
As if this incident was not bad enough, the cover up that followed makes all the worse. Trump wrote an initial synopsis of the meeting which was presented as Don Jr.'s personal account. This account was a complete lie except that Don Jr. and the female Russian lawyer attended it. The claim was that the discussion was about Russian adoptions which were blocked by Russia in retaliation for Russian sanctions. Slowly the truth emerged in bits and pieces with about a half dozen versions presented.
Trump also publically asked Russia to hack Clinton's e-mail. The request was made in front of TV cameras similar to how Trump requested China investigate tbe Biden's. With the trade war Trump insitgated with China, we can hardly believe that dirt on Biden might be viewed as something valuable to China in trade talks. Why not? Trump found Russian hacked e-mails valuable to his campaign.
The hacking of DNC e-mails which all US intelligence agencies attribute to Russia began the day after Trump made his very public request of Russia. Some of these e-mails showed up on a Russian website (some with misattribution of the content) and were soon removed. Within a short time, Julian Assange of Wikileaks released the bulk of them publucaly. Assange as it turns out has a rather interesting history with Russian media. We also now know that Trump advisor Roger Stone was in regular contact with Assange, and if I remember correctly, especially around the time DNC hacked e-mails were released.
Finally, we know that Paul Manafort provided voter roles to Russians at some time during the election. These roles were understood to have been used to target certain minority groups with ads on social media intending to dis ourage voters from these groups from voting.
All of these incidents were reasons to investigate Trump and his campaign. They alone justify the appointment of the Mueller as a special investgator. Mueller's report is hardly a "nothing burger". Despite Bill Barr's and Trump's mischaracterization of the Mueller report's conclusion, at least 8 incidents of obstruction of justice were detailed. One alone is an impeachable offence. Mueller also testified before congress clearly refuting Barr and ...
IamNobody comments on Oct 15, 2019:
It's not that clear cut to me:
1. Didn't Dems paid a British ( Foreign individual ) to collude to get dirt on Trump through Fussion to get the big nothing burger Mueller train rolling for nothing?
2. Isn't that exactly what Dems did to get the "Dossier"?
3. Isn't that what Biden did, to have an ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 15, 2019:
1. The Mueller investigation had plenty of incidents we know occurred here to justify the time and expense. For starters, Trump campaign staff made up of Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and then campaign manager met with Russian lawyer and other Russian agents at Trump Tower with the hope of gathering dirt on Trump's political opponent Hillary Clinton. Some intersting evidence suggests that Trump was also in the building when this meeting took place. If this was the case, he was likely at least listening in on the meeting if not participating in some way given todays technology.
As if this incident was not bad enough, the cover up that followed makes all the worse. Trump wrote an initial synopsis of the meeting which was presented as Don Jr.'s personal account. This account was a complete lie except that Don Jr. and the female Russian lawyer attended it. The claim was that the discussion was about Russian adoptions which were blocked by Russia in retaliation for Russian sanctions. Slowly the truth emerged in bits and pieces with about a half dozen versions presented.
Trump also publically asked Russia to hack Clinton's e-mail. The request was made in front of TV cameras similar to how Trump requested China investigate tbe Biden's. With the trade war Trump insitgated with China, we can hardly believe that dirt on Biden might be viewed as something valuable to China in trade talks. Why not? Trump found Russian hacked e-mails valuable to his campaign.
The hacking of DNC e-mails which all US intelligence agencies attribute to Russia began the day after Trump made his very public request of Russia. Some of these e-mails showed up on a Russian website (some with misattribution of the content) and were soon removed. Within a short time, Julian Assange of Wikileaks released the bulk of them publucaly. Assange as it turns out has a rather interesting history with Russian media. We also now know that Trump advisor Roger Stone was in regular contact with Assange, and if I remember correctly, especially around the time DNC hacked e-mails were released.
Finally, we know that Paul Manafort provided voter roles to Russians at some time during the election. These roles were understood to have been used to target certain minority groups with ads on social media intending to dis ourage voters from these groups from voting.
All of these incidents were reasons to investigate Trump and his campaign. They alone justify the appointment of the Mueller as a special investgator. Mueller's report is hardly a "nothing burger". Despite Bill Barr's and Trump's mischaracterization of the Mueller report's conclusion, at least 8 incidents of obstruction of justice were detailed. One alone is an impeachable offence. Mueller also testified before congress clearly refuting Barr and ...
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IamNobody comments on Oct 15, 2019:
It's not that clear cut to me:
1. Didn't Dems paid a British ( Foreign individual ) to collude to get dirt on Trump through Fussion to get the big nothing burger Mueller train rolling for nothing?
2. Isn't that exactly what Dems did to get the "Dossier"?
3. Isn't that what Biden did, to have an ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 15, 2019:
3. No, Biden did not. Biiden was not attempting to collect dirt on an American political rival to effect the outcome of our US elections. Biden also was acting in concert with the Obama administration as well as European officials, the IMF, and World Bank who all called for the resignation of Prosecutor Shokin. All these governments and world organizations wanted Shokin to be removed because he was not pursuing and prosecuting corruption cases. If Joe and Hunter Biden were engaged in corrupt activities, defending Shokin would make more sense than removing him. There are also timing issue with the Biden-Ukraine corruption conspiracy theory. From my reading, Joe Biden was acting to remove Shokin before Hunter Biden joined the Board of Burisma. With this being the case, Shokin could not have been investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma. Even so, the former top Ukrainian law enforcement official who served from the last years Obama/Biden were in office until several months ago has stated that Burisma there was nothing to investigate concerning the Biden's. He had met with Giuliani a couple times and had numerous telephone contacts with him. This Ukrainian official told Guiliani that Ukraine couldn't open an investigation on individuals - especially American citizens - without cause or without the FBI first opening an investigation. The fact that Guiliani was acting outside as a parrellel state department is a problem all by itself.
The problems with Trump and his team trying to recruit foriegn governments to dig up dirt on Trump's political opponents is the problem here. Trump withheld hundreds of millions of dollars in military and monetary aid to Ukraine until he had the infamous phone call with Pres. Zelensky of tnat nation. The discussion of the withheld aid was approached with Trump saying the US was providing lots of aid but receiving little in return. Trump immediately followed this introduction of the issue of aid by requesting the favor of investigating the Biden's and Trump repeated this request up to 8 times. The timing of the favor and the apparent reluctance of providing the aid links the two in a quid pro quo. The aid was release the following day along with an additional $140 million that Zelensky had not asked for or expected. That Trump was looking for something of value - dirt on the Democratic primary front runner - should be obvious. The illegality of the incident should be equally obvious. That anyone doesn't is only evidence of the effectiveness of Trump and gang's practice of constant gaslighting.
IamNobody comments on Oct 15, 2019:
It's not that clear cut to me:
1. Didn't Dems paid a British ( Foreign individual ) to collude to get dirt on Trump through Fussion to get the big nothing burger Mueller train rolling for nothing?
2. Isn't that exactly what Dems did to get the "Dossier"?
3. Isn't that what Biden did, to have an ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 15, 2019:
3. No, Biden did not. Biiden was not attempting to collect dirt on an American political rival to effect the outcome of our US elections. Biden also was acting in concert with the Obama administration as well as European officials, the IMF, and World Bank who all called for the resignation of Prosecutor Shokin. All these governments and world organizations wanted Shokin to be removed because he was not pursuing and prosecuting corruption cases. If Joe and Hunter Biden were engaged in corrupt activities, defending Shokin would make more sense than removing him. There are also timing issue with the Biden-Ukraine corruption conspiracy theory. From my reading, Joe Biden was acting to remove Shokin before Hunter Biden joined the Board of Burisma. With this being the case, Shokin could not have been investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma. Even so, the former top Ukrainian law enforcement official who served from the last years Obama/Biden were in office until several months ago has stated that Burisma there was nothing to investigate concerning the Biden's. He had met with Giuliani a couple times and had numerous telephone contacts with him. This Ukrainian official told Guiliani that Ukraine couldn't open an investigation on individuals - especially American citizens - without cause or without the FBI first opening an investigation. The fact that Guiliani was acting outside as a parrellel state department is a problem all by itself.
The problems with Trump and his team trying to recruit foriegn governments to dig up dirt on Trump's political opponents is the problem here. Trump withheld hundreds of millions of dollars in military and monetary aid to Ukraine until he had the infamous phone call with Pres. Zelensky of tnat nation. The discussion of the withheld aid was approached with Trump saying the US was providing lots of aid but receiving little in return. Trump immediately followed this introduction of the issue of aid by requesting the favor of investigating the Biden's and Trump repeated this request up to 8 times. The timing of the favor and the apparent reluctance of providing the aid links the two in a quid pro quo. The aid was release the following day along with an additional $140 million that Zelensky had not asked for or expected. That Trump was looking for something of value - dirt on the Democratic primary front runner - should be obvious. The illegality of the incident should be equally obvious. That anyone doesn't is only evidence of the effectiveness of Trump and gang's practice of constant gaslighting.
What emotional satisfaction do you get from being an agnostic or atheist?
maturin1919 comments on Oct 12, 2019:
None.
RussRAB replies on Oct 13, 2019:
@maturin1919 - I have no problem with your feeling on this issue. Your initial reaction was the first thought I had, but not when I thouht about it a bit more.
maturin1919 comments on Oct 12, 2019:
None.
RussRAB replies on Oct 13, 2019:
@maturin1919 - I have no problem with your feeling on this issue. Your initial reaction was the first thought I had, but not when I thouht about it a bit more.
What emotional satisfaction do you get from being an agnostic or atheist?
maturin1919 comments on Oct 12, 2019:
None.
RussRAB replies on Oct 13, 2019:
@maturin1919 - The emotional satisfaction I receive from accepting evolutionary theory is a sense of connectedness I feel due to all living things coming from a common anscestry. Some people I'm aware of felt deminished by the idea of being descended from apes (actually a misnomer since we are still apes) but I love it. I love the idea that apes, monkeys, my dogs, and all life are all related to us. It causes me to feel as a part of the world and not apart from it. Imo, no concept of God (except perhaps pantheism) compares.
maturin1919 comments on Oct 12, 2019:
None.
RussRAB replies on Oct 13, 2019:
@maturin1919 - The emotional satisfaction I receive from accepting evolutionary theory is a sense of connectedness I feel due to all living things coming from a common anscestry. Some people I'm aware of felt deminished by the idea of being descended from apes (actually a misnomer since we are still apes) but I love it. I love the idea that apes, monkeys, my dogs, and all life are all related to us. It causes me to feel as a part of the world and not apart from it. Imo, no concept of God (except perhaps pantheism) compares.
Ralph Reed: Christians Have a “Moral Obligation” to Support Donald Trump in 2020 | Sarahbeth ...
Killtheskyfairy comments on Oct 13, 2019:
Moral and Trump in the same sentence? What an oxy moron!
RussRAB replies on Oct 13, 2019:
I can imagine them in the same sentence ... but "complete lack of anything" would have to precede "moral" in describing Trump.
Killtheskyfairy comments on Oct 13, 2019:
Moral and Trump in the same sentence? What an oxy moron!
RussRAB replies on Oct 13, 2019:
I can imagine them in the same sentence ... but "complete lack of anything" would have to precede "moral" in describing Trump.
William Barr: Our Less Christian Society Is To Blame For Mental Illness And Drug Abuse
MakeItGood comments on Oct 13, 2019:
Someone oughta explain to him how the Christians successful efforts at criminilizing certain drug sales and ostracizing certain drug consumption rather than allowing legal sales and use created an environment where dangerous criminals now thrive and make more money than the majority of US companies ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 13, 2019:
Portugal has taken a novel approach to treating drug addiction. As a result, they have one of tne lowest drug addoction rates in Western Europe.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/10/portugal-opioid
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/04/18/524380027/in-portugal-drug-use-is-treated-as-a-medical-issue-not-a-crime
MakeItGood comments on Oct 13, 2019:
Someone oughta explain to him how the Christians successful efforts at criminilizing certain drug sales and ostracizing certain drug consumption rather than allowing legal sales and use created an environment where dangerous criminals now thrive and make more money than the majority of US companies ...
RussRAB replies on Oct 13, 2019:
Portugal has taken a novel approach to treating drug addiction. As a result, they have one of tne lowest drug addoction rates in Western Europe.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/10/portugal-opioid
https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/04/18/524380027/in-portugal-drug-use-is-treated-as-a-medical-issue-not-a-crime
Found this useful site for monitoring soil temps.
RussRAB comments on Oct 12, 2019:
I understood that they had updated the standard zones at least once. They may need to do it again before too long.
RussRAB replies on Oct 12, 2019:
Here is an interesting animation showing the change in USDA zones.
https://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm
RussRAB comments on Oct 12, 2019:
I understood that they had updated the standard zones at least once. They may need to do it again before too long.
RussRAB replies on Oct 12, 2019:
Here is an interesting animation showing the change in USDA zones.
https://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm
Democrats Predict Speedy Impeachment Inquiry Lasting Weeks, Not 'Months'
mcgeo52 comments on Sep 29, 2019:
Mueller might as well have been a whitewash. He took a view of his charter that was so narrow as to make his investigation meaningless. To say I was disappointed would be an extreme understatement.
Mueller had spoken a few years earlier about the biggest threat facing our country from a law ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 29, 2019:
@yamaha45701 - I suspect Trump's connections to nafarious sources (like the Russian mob and/or Putin) is why he is fighting to keep his tax returns secret.
mcgeo52 comments on Sep 29, 2019:
Mueller might as well have been a whitewash. He took a view of his charter that was so narrow as to make his investigation meaningless. To say I was disappointed would be an extreme understatement.
Mueller had spoken a few years earlier about the biggest threat facing our country from a law ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 29, 2019:
@yamaha45701 - I suspect Trump's connections to nafarious sources (like the Russian mob and/or Putin) is why he is fighting to keep his tax returns secret.
Democrats Predict Speedy Impeachment Inquiry Lasting Weeks, Not 'Months'
UrsiMajor comments on Sep 29, 2019:
Do those of you who were of age during the Nixon impeachment, do you see many parallels?
RussRAB replies on Sep 29, 2019:
@JonnaBononna - I think Trump thinks of himself as being in a category above most people - the rules just don't apply to him. It a symptom of his malignant narcissism.
UrsiMajor comments on Sep 29, 2019:
Do those of you who were of age during the Nixon impeachment, do you see many parallels?
RussRAB replies on Sep 29, 2019:
@JonnaBononna - I think Trump thinks of himself as being in a category above most people - the rules just don't apply to him. It a symptom of his malignant narcissism.
Democrats Predict Speedy Impeachment Inquiry Lasting Weeks, Not 'Months'
UrsiMajor comments on Sep 29, 2019:
Do those of you who were of age during the Nixon impeachment, do you see many parallels?
RussRAB replies on Sep 29, 2019:
@Sierra4 - There was some vote taken in the House - possibly in committee (?) - on impeachment. I agree it never got to the Senate before Nixon resigned. I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been at that time.
UrsiMajor comments on Sep 29, 2019:
Do those of you who were of age during the Nixon impeachment, do you see many parallels?
RussRAB replies on Sep 29, 2019:
@Sierra4 - There was some vote taken in the House - possibly in committee (?) - on impeachment. I agree it never got to the Senate before Nixon resigned. I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been at that time.
Democrats Predict Speedy Impeachment Inquiry Lasting Weeks, Not 'Months'
Mofo1953 comments on Sep 29, 2019:
why would it be bad to have him take depositions under oath?
RussRAB replies on Sep 29, 2019:
@MsAl - Trump has had lots of experience over decades spinning bad press to his favor as well as how to surpress unfavorable information (mostly using payoffs).
Mofo1953 comments on Sep 29, 2019:
why would it be bad to have him take depositions under oath?
RussRAB replies on Sep 29, 2019:
@MsAl - Trump has had lots of experience over decades spinning bad press to his favor as well as how to surpress unfavorable information (mostly using payoffs).
Pentecostal Christians Are Burning Australia’s Sacred Aboriginal Objects | Michael Stone
Marionville comments on Sep 23, 2019:
They should be prosecuted....that is cultural vandalism.
RussRAB replies on Sep 24, 2019:
@zesty - The bit of research I have done online does mostly disagree with you. A New York Times articles begins by saying the form of socialism someone is talking about will often determine whether they favor it or not. Nearly all the sites I reviewed mention Scandinavian nations among socialist countries most often labling their form to be Democratic Socialism.
But this subject is not the topic of this thread. Why you want to turn it into your personal political crusade is beyond me. If you are actually interested in this topic - the vandalism of Aboriginal sacred items by Pentacostal Christians - then comment on this subject. Otherwise, start your own conversation with your own sources to back you up. I realize I don't the power to control how you respond or if you choose to continue your political proslytizing, except to block you. You wouldn't be the first.
To answer your question on this topic, a native Americans, native Amazonians, or native Australians for the purposes of this discussion have live in these areas for several thousand years. This would exclude the most recent immigrants to these areas from Europe. It is an arbitrary designation intended to identify those cultural groups which have been marginalized and some destroyed by a larger more technologically sophisicated cultures.
Marionville comments on Sep 23, 2019:
They should be prosecuted....that is cultural vandalism.
RussRAB replies on Sep 24, 2019:
@zesty - The bit of research I have done online does mostly disagree with you. A New York Times articles begins by saying the form of socialism someone is talking about will often determine whether they favor it or not. Nearly all the sites I reviewed mention Scandinavian nations among socialist countries most often labling their form to be Democratic Socialism.
But this subject is not the topic of this thread. Why you want to turn it into your personal political crusade is beyond me. If you are actually interested in this topic - the vandalism of Aboriginal sacred items by Pentacostal Christians - then comment on this subject. Otherwise, start your own conversation with your own sources to back you up. I realize I don't the power to control how you respond or if you choose to continue your political proslytizing, except to block you. You wouldn't be the first.
To answer your question on this topic, a native Americans, native Amazonians, or native Australians for the purposes of this discussion have live in these areas for several thousand years. This would exclude the most recent immigrants to these areas from Europe. It is an arbitrary designation intended to identify those cultural groups which have been marginalized and some destroyed by a larger more technologically sophisicated cultures.
Pentecostal Christians Are Burning Australia’s Sacred Aboriginal Objects | Michael Stone
Marionville comments on Sep 23, 2019:
They should be prosecuted....that is cultural vandalism.
RussRAB replies on Sep 23, 2019:
@zesty - It is interesting that those European countries most often associated with socialism - Sweden, Norway, Denmark, etc. - regularly rank highest in terms of satisfaction and happiness among their citizenry compared to other nations. Also, none of these nations have lost their national identity or traditions.
Extinguishing cultural heritage is most often seen when a more technologically advance culture finds need for the real estate occupied by a less advanced culture. Native Americans are one example as european emigrants wanted land to settle and to expand. Amazonian natives are currently under threat for some of the same reasons as well as logging and mining. Africans also came under attack by Americans who found need for cheap labor to work plantations. These Africans not only lost their culture but their homeland, their families, and everything that was familiar to them. These less technologically advanced people have had their cultures threatened and sometimes destroyed because of a capitalist mentality - not a socialist one. Indeed, economic and political systems can do harm to culture, but they can also work within it. The real danger is in oversimplifying the issues and ignoring facts to reach a desired result.
Marionville comments on Sep 23, 2019:
They should be prosecuted....that is cultural vandalism.
RussRAB replies on Sep 23, 2019:
@zesty - It is interesting that those European countries most often associated with socialism - Sweden, Norway, Denmark, etc. - regularly rank highest in terms of satisfaction and happiness among their citizenry compared to other nations. Also, none of these nations have lost their national identity or traditions.
Extinguishing cultural heritage is most often seen when a more technologically advance culture finds need for the real estate occupied by a less advanced culture. Native Americans are one example as european emigrants wanted land to settle and to expand. Amazonian natives are currently under threat for some of the same reasons as well as logging and mining. Africans also came under attack by Americans who found need for cheap labor to work plantations. These Africans not only lost their culture but their homeland, their families, and everything that was familiar to them. These less technologically advanced people have had their cultures threatened and sometimes destroyed because of a capitalist mentality - not a socialist one. Indeed, economic and political systems can do harm to culture, but they can also work within it. The real danger is in oversimplifying the issues and ignoring facts to reach a desired result.
Why why why do religious people think they can make a believer out of an atheist?
RussRAB comments on Sep 22, 2019:
I had been told more than once by fundamentalist that everyone alive knows the Gospel is true and are either denying it or have been misled by another religious tradition. Either way they consider it to be Satan. (Can some say, "Well, isn't that special" in their best Church Lady impression). They ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@Vintenar - That was a confusing statement. My apologies. It was a rather basic Bible test. An example was once posted online and the questions were not obscure at all. I would have been surprised looking over the questions except that I have heard of far too many people leaving Christianity after really reading and studying the Bible.
RussRAB comments on Sep 22, 2019:
I had been told more than once by fundamentalist that everyone alive knows the Gospel is true and are either denying it or have been misled by another religious tradition. Either way they consider it to be Satan. (Can some say, "Well, isn't that special" in their best Church Lady impression). They ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@Vintenar - That was a confusing statement. My apologies. It was a rather basic Bible test. An example was once posted online and the questions were not obscure at all. I would have been surprised looking over the questions except that I have heard of far too many people leaving Christianity after really reading and studying the Bible.
If all religion ended tomorrow, what do you think would happen to all the churches,etc.?
Imatheistically comments on Sep 22, 2019:
Homelessness would be solved IMMEDIATELY!
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
Love your answer. 😁
Imatheistically comments on Sep 22, 2019:
Homelessness would be solved IMMEDIATELY!
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
Love your answer. 😁
Pentecostal Christians Are Burning Australia’s Sacred Aboriginal Objects | Michael Stone
Jolanta comments on Sep 22, 2019:
True and I bet that Scott Morrison doesn't give a fig about it either.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@Jolanta - The recent issue with the Dakota oil pipeline going across indian lands (or was it just their source of drinking water) is stark evidence of how native Americans are still disregarded and mistreated. Since they lost their battle against the pipeline, I believe I read that the pipes have leaked terribly and polluted the reservation's water.
Jolanta comments on Sep 22, 2019:
True and I bet that Scott Morrison doesn't give a fig about it either.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@Jolanta - The recent issue with the Dakota oil pipeline going across indian lands (or was it just their source of drinking water) is stark evidence of how native Americans are still disregarded and mistreated. Since they lost their battle against the pipeline, I believe I read that the pipes have leaked terribly and polluted the reservation's water.
Pentecostal Christians Are Burning Australia’s Sacred Aboriginal Objects | Michael Stone
powder comments on Sep 22, 2019:
All this crap we have put up with since 9/11; massive restrictions in travel and increased security resulting in loss of personal liberties. Border protection. Why? To keep out religious fundamentalists who seek to destroy our heritage and culture, our way of life. Terrorists.
Yet we let this bitch...
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@powder - I missed that fact. Thanks
powder comments on Sep 22, 2019:
All this crap we have put up with since 9/11; massive restrictions in travel and increased security resulting in loss of personal liberties. Border protection. Why? To keep out religious fundamentalists who seek to destroy our heritage and culture, our way of life. Terrorists.
Yet we let this bitch...
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@powder - I missed that fact. Thanks
My job involves sitting outside on a beautiful fall day with a papillon on my lap.
RussRAB comments on Sep 22, 2019:
What a cute little pup.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@graceylou - I understand. We had a small terrier mix who jumped off the bed one day and hurt his back leg. It took a long time to heal because of his age, and he always guarded that leg from then on. Since he passed and we have other small pups, we don't allow them to jump from our laps or anything with any height.
RussRAB comments on Sep 22, 2019:
What a cute little pup.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@graceylou - I understand. We had a small terrier mix who jumped off the bed one day and hurt his back leg. It took a long time to heal because of his age, and he always guarded that leg from then on. Since he passed and we have other small pups, we don't allow them to jump from our laps or anything with any height.
Pentecostal Christians Are Burning Australia’s Sacred Aboriginal Objects | Michael Stone
powder comments on Sep 22, 2019:
All this crap we have put up with since 9/11; massive restrictions in travel and increased security resulting in loss of personal liberties. Border protection. Why? To keep out religious fundamentalists who seek to destroy our heritage and culture, our way of life. Terrorists.
Yet we let this bitch...
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
I didn't read that the pastor was from outside Australia. I believe she was Aboriginal as well. Was I mistaken?
powder comments on Sep 22, 2019:
All this crap we have put up with since 9/11; massive restrictions in travel and increased security resulting in loss of personal liberties. Border protection. Why? To keep out religious fundamentalists who seek to destroy our heritage and culture, our way of life. Terrorists.
Yet we let this bitch...
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
I didn't read that the pastor was from outside Australia. I believe she was Aboriginal as well. Was I mistaken?
Pentecostal Christians Are Burning Australia’s Sacred Aboriginal Objects | Michael Stone
WilliamFleming comments on Sep 22, 2019:
In so far as those doing the burning are themselves aborigines acting under their own volition, I will not concern myself.
As is often the case with this publication, we see a headline designed to arouse anger or disgust and then an actual article that is not true to the headline.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
I reread the article and find words like "vandalized" being used to describe the destruction of these Aboriginal items. I also see quotes from "aboriginal leaders" decrying the destruction of these sacred objects. I don't believe it matters that the Christians destroying these objects are Aboriginal unless they personally own the objects being destroyed. American Christians became convinced that the Osmond's Mormon faith was demonic and they burned the records they had purchased. Whether or not I agree with their decision, it is their right to do what they will with their property - with the exception of certain classical or historical artworks such as the statues of Buddha in Afghanistan, and perhaps certain pieces of aboriginal sacred art that is not personal in nature.
WilliamFleming comments on Sep 22, 2019:
In so far as those doing the burning are themselves aborigines acting under their own volition, I will not concern myself.
As is often the case with this publication, we see a headline designed to arouse anger or disgust and then an actual article that is not true to the headline.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
I reread the article and find words like "vandalized" being used to describe the destruction of these Aboriginal items. I also see quotes from "aboriginal leaders" decrying the destruction of these sacred objects. I don't believe it matters that the Christians destroying these objects are Aboriginal unless they personally own the objects being destroyed. American Christians became convinced that the Osmond's Mormon faith was demonic and they burned the records they had purchased. Whether or not I agree with their decision, it is their right to do what they will with their property - with the exception of certain classical or historical artworks such as the statues of Buddha in Afghanistan, and perhaps certain pieces of aboriginal sacred art that is not personal in nature.
Pentecostal Christians Are Burning Australia’s Sacred Aboriginal Objects | Michael Stone
Jolanta comments on Sep 22, 2019:
True and I bet that Scott Morrison doesn't give a fig about it either.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
I am not up on Australia current events or how Aboriginal people are currently considered in Australia. If it has any parallels with how Native Americans are still typically considered in the US, you are probably correct.
Jolanta comments on Sep 22, 2019:
True and I bet that Scott Morrison doesn't give a fig about it either.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
I am not up on Australia current events or how Aboriginal people are currently considered in Australia. If it has any parallels with how Native Americans are still typically considered in the US, you are probably correct.
Pentecostal Christians Are Burning Australia’s Sacred Aboriginal Objects | Michael Stone
KKGator comments on Sep 22, 2019:
They should be shot. Period.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
I agree that it should be a crime to destroy cultural art. I don't really care the reason.
KKGator comments on Sep 22, 2019:
They should be shot. Period.
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
I agree that it should be a crime to destroy cultural art. I don't really care the reason.
Pentecostal Christians Are Burning Australia’s Sacred Aboriginal Objects | Michael Stone
Geoffrey51 comments on Sep 22, 2019:
Give them a bit more time to think (or not) and someone to drop them copy of The Wicker Man, all sorts if shit could unfold!
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@KKGator - Zeaots of all stripes always have a way to rationalize themselves into the superior position.
Geoffrey51 comments on Sep 22, 2019:
Give them a bit more time to think (or not) and someone to drop them copy of The Wicker Man, all sorts if shit could unfold!
RussRAB replies on Sep 22, 2019:
@KKGator - Zeaots of all stripes always have a way to rationalize themselves into the superior position.
Cute video of beagle covering up i in blanket
Redheadedgammy comments on Sep 8, 2019:
It said the link was broken😢
RussRAB replies on Sep 8, 2019:
I connected into Facebook to see it.
Redheadedgammy comments on Sep 8, 2019:
It said the link was broken😢
RussRAB replies on Sep 8, 2019:
I connected into Facebook to see it.
What did Satan do anyway?
RussRAB comments on Aug 29, 2019:
As a former Mormon, I was taught that Satan was selfish and wanted to take all the glory of God on himself and he would guarantee every soul would return to heaven. Jesus had other ideas and God chose Jesus plan over Satan's.So Satan rebelled against God and was tossed out of heaven (or pre-heaven)....
RussRAB replies on Sep 8, 2019:
@twill - Zoroastrian numbers are estimated between 110,000 to 120,000 most living in India and Iran according to Wikipedia. The numbers are believed to be in decline in the present day. The decline began in the 7th century with the expansion of Islam.
RussRAB comments on Aug 29, 2019:
As a former Mormon, I was taught that Satan was selfish and wanted to take all the glory of God on himself and he would guarantee every soul would return to heaven. Jesus had other ideas and God chose Jesus plan over Satan's.So Satan rebelled against God and was tossed out of heaven (or pre-heaven)....
RussRAB replies on Sep 8, 2019:
@twill - Zoroastrian numbers are estimated between 110,000 to 120,000 most living in India and Iran according to Wikipedia. The numbers are believed to be in decline in the present day. The decline began in the 7th century with the expansion of Islam.
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
MakeItGood comments on Sep 2, 2019:
Wow, this site was unreadable due to the ads. Literslly had to download an ad block browser to read it. Even then, a giant ad every two lines. Classy site, this.
Any this religious philosopher claim its completely ridiculous that memories reside in the brain.
Someone should inform him of the ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 2, 2019:
The article says Dr. Moreland is a "professor at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University". His ideas are comp,etely condistent with the Christian apologetics he promotes, but without scientific evidence which is completely missing, he may as well be selling snake oil. Several posters here have shown that the evidence refutes Dr. Moreland's claims. Still, Christians are likely to site his claims because it fits with what they want to believe even after they have been presented with true evidence to the contrary.
MakeItGood comments on Sep 2, 2019:
Wow, this site was unreadable due to the ads. Literslly had to download an ad block browser to read it. Even then, a giant ad every two lines. Classy site, this.
Any this religious philosopher claim its completely ridiculous that memories reside in the brain.
Someone should inform him of the ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 2, 2019:
The article says Dr. Moreland is a "professor at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University". His ideas are comp,etely condistent with the Christian apologetics he promotes, but without scientific evidence which is completely missing, he may as well be selling snake oil. Several posters here have shown that the evidence refutes Dr. Moreland's claims. Still, Christians are likely to site his claims because it fits with what they want to believe even after they have been presented with true evidence to the contrary.
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
Magister comments on Sep 2, 2019:
My scepticism over this article in the comic newspaper The Daily Express was confirmed by the first few lines, with absolutely no proof being offered, just an opinion.
Given the way that his opinion was dressed up as evidence, I am surprised how he managed to get any qualifications at all.
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RussRAB replies on Sep 2, 2019:
I did post Dr. Moreland's educaton credentials. He has his undergrad degree in Chemistry (his claim to being a scientist?) But his post grad degrees are in philosophy and theology. He is listed as being an apologist consistent with his claims in the article. I would think his post grad work more or less counters/invalidates his science undergrad degree.
Magister comments on Sep 2, 2019:
My scepticism over this article in the comic newspaper The Daily Express was confirmed by the first few lines, with absolutely no proof being offered, just an opinion.
Given the way that his opinion was dressed up as evidence, I am surprised how he managed to get any qualifications at all.
...
RussRAB replies on Sep 2, 2019:
I did post Dr. Moreland's educaton credentials. He has his undergrad degree in Chemistry (his claim to being a scientist?) But his post grad degrees are in philosophy and theology. He is listed as being an apologist consistent with his claims in the article. I would think his post grad work more or less counters/invalidates his science undergrad degree.
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
icolan comments on Sep 1, 2019:
This guy is not a biologist or physicist, he is a philosopher, and a Christian one at that. He is biased and admits as much. His "evidence" is the same tired old arguments that Christian apologists have been using for years. His claim that memories are not located in the brain is counter to all ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
VictoriaNotes: has a link to an article from MIT that discusses the fondg of memory cells in thi brain. Very interesting article.
icolan comments on Sep 1, 2019:
This guy is not a biologist or physicist, he is a philosopher, and a Christian one at that. He is biased and admits as much. His "evidence" is the same tired old arguments that Christian apologists have been using for years. His claim that memories are not located in the brain is counter to all ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
VictoriaNotes: has a link to an article from MIT that discusses the fondg of memory cells in thi brain. Very interesting article.
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
TristanNuvo comments on Sep 1, 2019:
Well right off the bat,. The author, James Porter Morland is a philosopher, theologian, and Christian apologist, not a Scientist. and it goes down hill from there. A grain of salt, and an eye roll, are pretty much my responses. Just saying.
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
Yeah, yours is probably the most appropriate response.
TristanNuvo comments on Sep 1, 2019:
Well right off the bat,. The author, James Porter Morland is a philosopher, theologian, and Christian apologist, not a Scientist. and it goes down hill from there. A grain of salt, and an eye roll, are pretty much my responses. Just saying.
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
Yeah, yours is probably the most appropriate response.
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
DenoPenno comments on Sep 1, 2019:
Memories are separate from what? Does anybody have a clue?
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
Separate from the brain. Dr. Moreland's claim is that the brain doesn't store memories; but he would be mistaken. See VictoriaNotes comment and link below.
DenoPenno comments on Sep 1, 2019:
Memories are separate from what? Does anybody have a clue?
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
Separate from the brain. Dr. Moreland's claim is that the brain doesn't store memories; but he would be mistaken. See VictoriaNotes comment and link below.
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
Stephanie99 comments on Sep 1, 2019:
How is he a scientist with a degree in Philosophy?
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
I would be wrong. Here are his credentials from Wikipedia:
"Moreland specializes in metaphysics, philosophy of mind, chemistry, and Christian Philosophy[2]having had his work published in journals such as Metaphilosophy and the American Philosophical Quarterly. He has also had his work published by presses such as Intervarsity Press, NavPress, Zondervan, Oxford University Press, Routledge, Rutgers University Press, and Prometheus.[3]
"Moreland earned a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry with honors from the University of Missouri and a Master of Arts in Philosophy with highest honors from the University of California, Riverside. He received his Th.M. in Theology from Dallas Theological Seminary.[4] In 1985, he received a Ph.D. in philosophy from the University of Southern California. His dissertation was "Universals and the Qualities of Things: A defense of Realism.""
This doesn't change the fact that he has no facts behind his claims.
Stephanie99 comments on Sep 1, 2019:
How is he a scientist with a degree in Philosophy?
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
I would be wrong. Here are his credentials from Wikipedia:
"Moreland specializes in metaphysics, philosophy of mind, chemistry, and Christian Philosophy[2]having had his work published in journals such as Metaphilosophy and the American Philosophical Quarterly. He has also had his work published by presses such as Intervarsity Press, NavPress, Zondervan, Oxford University Press, Routledge, Rutgers University Press, and Prometheus.[3]
"Moreland earned a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry with honors from the University of Missouri and a Master of Arts in Philosophy with highest honors from the University of California, Riverside. He received his Th.M. in Theology from Dallas Theological Seminary.[4] In 1985, he received a Ph.D. in philosophy from the University of Southern California. His dissertation was "Universals and the Qualities of Things: A defense of Realism.""
This doesn't change the fact that he has no facts behind his claims.
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
Stephanie99 comments on Sep 1, 2019:
How is he a scientist with a degree in Philosophy?
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
It is likely that it came from a (fake) religious school.
Stephanie99 comments on Sep 1, 2019:
How is he a scientist with a degree in Philosophy?
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
It is likely that it came from a (fake) religious school.
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
Geoffrey51 comments on Sep 1, 2019:
He’s a Professor Of Philosophy at a Theology college.
It’s his job to speculate and argue for such matters.
Clever click bait article. The clues are ‘scientist’ and ‘life after death’.
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
I agree. The wording seems to imply that it is more than one guy's pontificating and maximizing the use of the term "scientist".
Geoffrey51 comments on Sep 1, 2019:
He’s a Professor Of Philosophy at a Theology college.
It’s his job to speculate and argue for such matters.
Clever click bait article. The clues are ‘scientist’ and ‘life after death’.
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
I agree. The wording seems to imply that it is more than one guy's pontificating and maximizing the use of the term "scientist".
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
VictoriaNotes comments on Sep 1, 2019:
*“The idea that memories are in the brain is absolutely gobbledy-gook – it makes no sense at all. Memories aren’t the sort of thing that can be spatially located in a piece of chemistry.”*
Poor lad --- classic death anxiety.
In 2012, MIT discovered the location of memories which are ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
Great Article! Thanks.
VictoriaNotes comments on Sep 1, 2019:
*“The idea that memories are in the brain is absolutely gobbledy-gook – it makes no sense at all. Memories aren’t the sort of thing that can be spatially located in a piece of chemistry.”*
Poor lad --- classic death anxiety.
In 2012, MIT discovered the location of memories which are ...
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
Great Article! Thanks.
"Life After Death: Why scientist declared ‘there IS an afterlife – Memories are separate!’"...
jlynn37 comments on Sep 1, 2019:
No one knows, or could possibly know, anything about what happens after one dies.
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
@jlynn37 - When we die - really die, not near death - I won't say say we absolutely cease to exist, although that makes the most sense to me. But who knows? It is a subject like God that we have no perspective on - no point of reference.
jlynn37 comments on Sep 1, 2019:
No one knows, or could possibly know, anything about what happens after one dies.
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
@jlynn37 - When we die - really die, not near death - I won't say say we absolutely cease to exist, although that makes the most sense to me. But who knows? It is a subject like God that we have no perspective on - no point of reference.
I thought that this news from Canada’s Supreme Court would be of interest here.
thezekroman comments on Sep 1, 2019:
We have much to learn from Canada
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
@ToolGuy - I never thought you actually meddled, it was only to define what meddling actually is. I have become rather disgusted with the nature of American democracy recently because I don't believe those like the Koch brother (even if they are only 1 now) have any business trying to influence ele tions outside their home district and the candidates who will be representing them. I wish I could keep their money out of my state's elections because my candidates are supposed to represent me and the people where I live - not the Kochs. Citizens United was a terrible decision from our court because it undermines the little guy in American politics up and down the sentire ele toral process. Sorry for the rant, but this issue hits a nerve for me. Btw, as far as I am concerned, your opinions on American politics are welcome hear anytime.
thezekroman comments on Sep 1, 2019:
We have much to learn from Canada
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
@ToolGuy - I never thought you actually meddled, it was only to define what meddling actually is. I have become rather disgusted with the nature of American democracy recently because I don't believe those like the Koch brother (even if they are only 1 now) have any business trying to influence ele tions outside their home district and the candidates who will be representing them. I wish I could keep their money out of my state's elections because my candidates are supposed to represent me and the people where I live - not the Kochs. Citizens United was a terrible decision from our court because it undermines the little guy in American politics up and down the sentire ele toral process. Sorry for the rant, but this issue hits a nerve for me. Btw, as far as I am concerned, your opinions on American politics are welcome hear anytime.
I thought that this news from Canada’s Supreme Court would be of interest here.
thezekroman comments on Sep 1, 2019:
We have much to learn from Canada
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
@ToolGuy - How do you "meddle" in US politics??? Do you hack into voting machines to change votes? Do you run false ads on Facebook? Having an opi ion and stating it on an open forum can't be considered meddling. We are all allowed opinions on international politics.
thezekroman comments on Sep 1, 2019:
We have much to learn from Canada
RussRAB replies on Sep 1, 2019:
@ToolGuy - How do you "meddle" in US politics??? Do you hack into voting machines to change votes? Do you run false ads on Facebook? Having an opi ion and stating it on an open forum can't be considered meddling. We are all allowed opinions on international politics.
I thought that this news from Canada’s Supreme Court would be of interest here.
TheMiddleWay comments on Aug 31, 2019:
Wholeheartedly disagree. (EDIT: I've changed my mind and now I agree with the decision. the comment Joanne made made me change my position. Read her comments and my reply to see said change)
While I'm not wholly conversant in Canadian educational system, it seems that that is not a public ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 31, 2019:
I don't see the decision as being hypocritical. The standard is different for gay students who are barred from gay sex in all circumstances and straifght students who are approved to have heterosex within a marriage. Canada has accepted same sex marriage for about 15 years now, but this school doesn't accept the legitimacy of same sex marriages under their rules. So, sexually actives gays are determined to be unacceptable under all circumstances, while sexually active straight students are selectively determined to be unacceptable. Imo, it is a significant difference. I should add that I am not able to read the entire article since the link 'Click here to read tne rest of the story' appears to be broken for my tablet.
Although, it was not my initial reaction, I do recognize and agree with your argument about the school being a private institution accepting no funds from government (at the moment). Freedom does require that we tolerate some rather unsavory ideas at times, but does not mean we can't express our dissatisfaction or aversion with them.
TheMiddleWay comments on Aug 31, 2019:
Wholeheartedly disagree. (EDIT: I've changed my mind and now I agree with the decision. the comment Joanne made made me change my position. Read her comments and my reply to see said change)
While I'm not wholly conversant in Canadian educational system, it seems that that is not a public ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 31, 2019:
I don't see the decision as being hypocritical. The standard is different for gay students who are barred from gay sex in all circumstances and straifght students who are approved to have heterosex within a marriage. Canada has accepted same sex marriage for about 15 years now, but this school doesn't accept the legitimacy of same sex marriages under their rules. So, sexually actives gays are determined to be unacceptable under all circumstances, while sexually active straight students are selectively determined to be unacceptable. Imo, it is a significant difference. I should add that I am not able to read the entire article since the link 'Click here to read tne rest of the story' appears to be broken for my tablet.
Although, it was not my initial reaction, I do recognize and agree with your argument about the school being a private institution accepting no funds from government (at the moment). Freedom does require that we tolerate some rather unsavory ideas at times, but does not mean we can't express our dissatisfaction or aversion with them.
This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
TheGreatShadow comments on Aug 30, 2019:
I study serial killers, assassinations, and wars. If you don't learn from the past, history is doomed to repeat itself. Watching forensic files right now.
RussRAB replies on Aug 30, 2019:
I don't have an issue with anyone who finds the subject interesting (unless they desire to emulate it) and I agree we must learn from history. The subject just isn't a particular interest of mine.
TheGreatShadow comments on Aug 30, 2019:
I study serial killers, assassinations, and wars. If you don't learn from the past, history is doomed to repeat itself. Watching forensic files right now.
RussRAB replies on Aug 30, 2019:
I don't have an issue with anyone who finds the subject interesting (unless they desire to emulate it) and I agree we must learn from history. The subject just isn't a particular interest of mine.
What did Satan do anyway?
RussRAB comments on Aug 29, 2019:
As a former Mormon, I was taught that Satan was selfish and wanted to take all the glory of God on himself and he would guarantee every soul would return to heaven. Jesus had other ideas and God chose Jesus plan over Satan's.So Satan rebelled against God and was tossed out of heaven (or pre-heaven)....
RussRAB replies on Aug 29, 2019:
Since leaving Christianity, I have read that Satan was not really a significant character in Judaism until after contact with the Persians and Zoroastrianism. This Persian religion has two opposing deities one encouraging mankind to do good and the other to do evil. This concept was adapted and Satan was assigned to the evil deity. Prior to this contact God was good and rebellious man was evil. Satan didn't factor into the equation.
Some other concepts adapted from Zoroastrianism are the idea of the end of the world and the great judgement of all mankind. According fo what I read, the Hebrews didn't have an end times scenario in their religion until this contact with Persians.
RussRAB comments on Aug 29, 2019:
As a former Mormon, I was taught that Satan was selfish and wanted to take all the glory of God on himself and he would guarantee every soul would return to heaven. Jesus had other ideas and God chose Jesus plan over Satan's.So Satan rebelled against God and was tossed out of heaven (or pre-heaven)....
RussRAB replies on Aug 29, 2019:
Since leaving Christianity, I have read that Satan was not really a significant character in Judaism until after contact with the Persians and Zoroastrianism. This Persian religion has two opposing deities one encouraging mankind to do good and the other to do evil. This concept was adapted and Satan was assigned to the evil deity. Prior to this contact God was good and rebellious man was evil. Satan didn't factor into the equation.
Some other concepts adapted from Zoroastrianism are the idea of the end of the world and the great judgement of all mankind. According fo what I read, the Hebrews didn't have an end times scenario in their religion until this contact with Persians.
Despite us both being atheists, my roommate and I had a disagreement on the usage of the word ...
TheMiddleWay comments on Aug 29, 2019:
People who say babies are born atheist are patently wrong. You see, atheism (or any belief for that matter) has to be an expressed in some format for us to ascribe a set belief to a set individual. You can't ascribe belief to a person in the absence of action or word that conforms to that belief. ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 29, 2019:
That is a great term I've not heard before - ignostic. I didn't find it in the online dictionary, but did when I Googled the word. From Wikipedia: "Ignosticism or igtheism is the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless because the word god has no coherent and unambiguous definition. It may also be described as the theological position that other theological positions assume too much about the concept of god." This is more of how I would define my own agnosticism.
TheMiddleWay comments on Aug 29, 2019:
People who say babies are born atheist are patently wrong. You see, atheism (or any belief for that matter) has to be an expressed in some format for us to ascribe a set belief to a set individual. You can't ascribe belief to a person in the absence of action or word that conforms to that belief. ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 29, 2019:
That is a great term I've not heard before - ignostic. I didn't find it in the online dictionary, but did when I Googled the word. From Wikipedia: "Ignosticism or igtheism is the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless because the word god has no coherent and unambiguous definition. It may also be described as the theological position that other theological positions assume too much about the concept of god." This is more of how I would define my own agnosticism.
Despite us both being atheists, my roommate and I had a disagreement on the usage of the word ...
TheMiddleWay comments on Aug 29, 2019:
People who say babies are born atheist are patently wrong. You see, atheism (or any belief for that matter) has to be an expressed in some format for us to ascribe a set belief to a set individual. You can't ascribe belief to a person in the absence of action or word that conforms to that belief. ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 29, 2019:
Babies are born. Belief or non-beljef comes later. Imo, much later since cognitive and more intricate thought processes dont develop until much later. Until that time, kids just parrot and mimic a lot of what they are told. Can this be considered true belief or non-belief?
TheMiddleWay comments on Aug 29, 2019:
People who say babies are born atheist are patently wrong. You see, atheism (or any belief for that matter) has to be an expressed in some format for us to ascribe a set belief to a set individual. You can't ascribe belief to a person in the absence of action or word that conforms to that belief. ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 29, 2019:
Babies are born. Belief or non-beljef comes later. Imo, much later since cognitive and more intricate thought processes dont develop until much later. Until that time, kids just parrot and mimic a lot of what they are told. Can this be considered true belief or non-belief?
This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
bradnyijuan comments on Aug 26, 2019:
I worked with a religious nut and we were discussing me being married to a Chinese woman. I told him she grew up in China never being exposed to Christianity but she was very moral. I asked him if someone broke into our house and killed me, tortured her, raped her, and killed her would she go to ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 26, 2019:
I think you were right. He has to be crazy.
bradnyijuan comments on Aug 26, 2019:
I worked with a religious nut and we were discussing me being married to a Chinese woman. I told him she grew up in China never being exposed to Christianity but she was very moral. I asked him if someone broke into our house and killed me, tortured her, raped her, and killed her would she go to ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 26, 2019:
I think you were right. He has to be crazy.
Religion vs science
Eazyduzzit comments on Aug 25, 2019:
I'm more optimistic than some here. I think if people were taught skepticism and rationality from their childhood, instead of fables and myths, they would be much less susceptible to irrational beliefs.
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
@Easyduzzit - I have conflicting feelings about your point. It makes sense to me that if kids were taught skepticism and rationality, or if our culture had a much smaller portion of religious people that we would see people being much less susceptable to irrationality. At the same time, Michael Shermer's book "How We Believed" showed that an individual's relationship with their parents effects their religious affiliation. Those who have good relationships with their parents tend to stay with the religion of their parents, while those who don't tend to change religions or give up on religion all together. With this piece of evidence, I would think an individual who has a rocky relationship with their parent may be more likely attracted to religions. Of course, other factors influence an individual's decision to believe or not.
I suppose my feeling is that certain decisions to believe are based on certain needs which might trump skepticism and rationality. Mine isn't a well thought out idea; more of a gut reaction.
Eazyduzzit comments on Aug 25, 2019:
I'm more optimistic than some here. I think if people were taught skepticism and rationality from their childhood, instead of fables and myths, they would be much less susceptible to irrational beliefs.
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
@Easyduzzit - I have conflicting feelings about your point. It makes sense to me that if kids were taught skepticism and rationality, or if our culture had a much smaller portion of religious people that we would see people being much less susceptable to irrationality. At the same time, Michael Shermer's book "How We Believed" showed that an individual's relationship with their parents effects their religious affiliation. Those who have good relationships with their parents tend to stay with the religion of their parents, while those who don't tend to change religions or give up on religion all together. With this piece of evidence, I would think an individual who has a rocky relationship with their parent may be more likely attracted to religions. Of course, other factors influence an individual's decision to believe or not.
I suppose my feeling is that certain decisions to believe are based on certain needs which might trump skepticism and rationality. Mine isn't a well thought out idea; more of a gut reaction.
This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
IrishGypsy comments on Aug 25, 2019:
I just read a book, American Predator about the unheard of modern serial killer Israel Keyes. Utterly horrifying and there are probably more like him. This case is not widely known as the fbi didn’t make a lot of headway in it. He killed himself before tried. But his methods were unbelievable....
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
He's not one I've heard of, but no need to expound (unless you feel a great need or desire to). No doubt, I'll overhear his story at sometime on Crime TV. 😊
IrishGypsy comments on Aug 25, 2019:
I just read a book, American Predator about the unheard of modern serial killer Israel Keyes. Utterly horrifying and there are probably more like him. This case is not widely known as the fbi didn’t make a lot of headway in it. He killed himself before tried. But his methods were unbelievable....
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
He's not one I've heard of, but no need to expound (unless you feel a great need or desire to). No doubt, I'll overhear his story at sometime on Crime TV. 😊
This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
Rob48 comments on Aug 25, 2019:
As the late, great pop-psychologist, John Bradshaw, once said, "Gay people are the most shamed group of people on earth". And I might add this important point: organized religion is primarily to blame. When I wrote a memoir,*Oh, Bob! I Thought It Was Curtains: Survival and Transcendence in a ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
Your book comes well recommended on Amazon. It sounds like it would be an interesting read.
Rob48 comments on Aug 25, 2019:
As the late, great pop-psychologist, John Bradshaw, once said, "Gay people are the most shamed group of people on earth". And I might add this important point: organized religion is primarily to blame. When I wrote a memoir,*Oh, Bob! I Thought It Was Curtains: Survival and Transcendence in a ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
Your book comes well recommended on Amazon. It sounds like it would be an interesting read.
This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
Larry-new comments on Aug 25, 2019:
Out of respect for your spousal choice, I will not comment.
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
I know, crime TV would not be my first choice - or 2nd, 3rd .... 4th, etc.
My spouse on the other hand is first choice for me. 😁
Larry-new comments on Aug 25, 2019:
Out of respect for your spousal choice, I will not comment.
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
I know, crime TV would not be my first choice - or 2nd, 3rd .... 4th, etc.
My spouse on the other hand is first choice for me. 😁
This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
Amisja comments on Aug 25, 2019:
I just think its cool you are a 62yr old gamer ;). Some people are born miswired. They are not good company
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
You are too kind. Do they consider playing on-line solitaire as being a gamer?
Amisja comments on Aug 25, 2019:
I just think its cool you are a 62yr old gamer ;). Some people are born miswired. They are not good company
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
You are too kind. Do they consider playing on-line solitaire as being a gamer?
This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
David1955 comments on Aug 25, 2019:
A further point here that one of the most insidious things about monotheistic religions is that they create a god with rules and commands, punishable by all kinds of terrors, but god itself is immune to its own moral and ethical laws. It can kill and punish with impunity, because god is always ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
The Divine Command Theory - whatever God commands is moral, no matter what it is. I thought it was very odd that God gave the 10 Commandments to the Israelites one of which was not to kill, and then soon afterwards commands the Israelites to go and commit genocide in Canaan.
David1955 comments on Aug 25, 2019:
A further point here that one of the most insidious things about monotheistic religions is that they create a god with rules and commands, punishable by all kinds of terrors, but god itself is immune to its own moral and ethical laws. It can kill and punish with impunity, because god is always ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
The Divine Command Theory - whatever God commands is moral, no matter what it is. I thought it was very odd that God gave the 10 Commandments to the Israelites one of which was not to kill, and then soon afterwards commands the Israelites to go and commit genocide in Canaan.
This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
RiverRick comments on Aug 25, 2019:
If you want to kill Christianity dead... the evangelists are now saying that god sent Donald Trump! THAT is about the largest Christian lie I have ever heard!
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
Last April, Michele Bachmann dubbed Trump "a more godly, biblical president" than any would will see in our lifetime. But then, this was Ms. Bachmann - need we say more?
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/04/15/michele-bachmann-trump-is-the-most-godly-biblical-president-weve-ever-seen/
There may be a silver lining, however. Backlash from gross religious errors have diminshed the hold an power of religious institutions within society. The first I ever heard about was the Salem Witch Trials which essentially broke the strangle hold the church had prior to that incident. Apparently, something similar may be occurring among young white evangelicals.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/could-trump-drive-young-white-evangelicals-away-from-the-gop/
We can only hope.
RiverRick comments on Aug 25, 2019:
If you want to kill Christianity dead... the evangelists are now saying that god sent Donald Trump! THAT is about the largest Christian lie I have ever heard!
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
Last April, Michele Bachmann dubbed Trump "a more godly, biblical president" than any would will see in our lifetime. But then, this was Ms. Bachmann - need we say more?
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/04/15/michele-bachmann-trump-is-the-most-godly-biblical-president-weve-ever-seen/
There may be a silver lining, however. Backlash from gross religious errors have diminshed the hold an power of religious institutions within society. The first I ever heard about was the Salem Witch Trials which essentially broke the strangle hold the church had prior to that incident. Apparently, something similar may be occurring among young white evangelicals.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/could-trump-drive-young-white-evangelicals-away-from-the-gop/
We can only hope.
This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
godlessinal comments on Aug 25, 2019:
I completely agree with you on this. There's all kinds of loopholes in that Christian/god/bible bullshit. According to the bible, a killer or rapist can have a prison conversion and go to heaven, while their victims go to hell. Another example beside Dahmer is the son of sam. He became a Christian ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
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godlessinal comments on Aug 25, 2019:
I completely agree with you on this. There's all kinds of loopholes in that Christian/god/bible bullshit. According to the bible, a killer or rapist can have a prison conversion and go to heaven, while their victims go to hell. Another example beside Dahmer is the son of sam. He became a Christian ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
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This afternoon, I was playing games on my computer while overhearing programs about serial killers ...
Heathenman comments on Aug 25, 2019:
Those are really extreme examples of the hypocrisy of religion. Interesting thoughts. Thanks for sharing.
So,. I have a Jeffrey Dahmer joke.
What can a Playboy magazine do that Jeffrey Dahmer can't?
Survive a beating in the bathroom.
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
The Dahmer joke I recall was during the David Koresh fiasco in Waco, TX. You will remember that all those Branch Davidians burned in the fire of their compound building. About that time, they said Dahmer had btoken out of his Wisconsin prison because he heard they had BBQ in Waco.
Heathenman comments on Aug 25, 2019:
Those are really extreme examples of the hypocrisy of religion. Interesting thoughts. Thanks for sharing.
So,. I have a Jeffrey Dahmer joke.
What can a Playboy magazine do that Jeffrey Dahmer can't?
Survive a beating in the bathroom.
RussRAB replies on Aug 25, 2019:
The Dahmer joke I recall was during the David Koresh fiasco in Waco, TX. You will remember that all those Branch Davidians burned in the fire of their compound building. About that time, they said Dahmer had btoken out of his Wisconsin prison because he heard they had BBQ in Waco.
The Atlantic magzine has an article this month about a new interpretation of Job.
oldFloyd comments on Aug 24, 2019:
I wasn't too impressed with the screenplay for the remake of The day the Earth stood still either. Michael Rennie did klatu much better.
RussRAB replies on Aug 24, 2019:
@AnneWimsey - The original was a good show too. Watch whichever one you like best.
oldFloyd comments on Aug 24, 2019:
I wasn't too impressed with the screenplay for the remake of The day the Earth stood still either. Michael Rennie did klatu much better.
RussRAB replies on Aug 24, 2019:
@AnneWimsey - The original was a good show too. Watch whichever one you like best.
The Atlantic magzine has an article this month about a new interpretation of Job.
oldFloyd comments on Aug 24, 2019:
I wasn't too impressed with the screenplay for the remake of The day the Earth stood still either. Michael Rennie did klatu much better.
RussRAB replies on Aug 24, 2019:
@AnneWimsey - I believe Klaatu was played by Keanu Reeves in the most recent version. He was the alien advocate who could control the robot.
oldFloyd comments on Aug 24, 2019:
I wasn't too impressed with the screenplay for the remake of The day the Earth stood still either. Michael Rennie did klatu much better.
RussRAB replies on Aug 24, 2019:
@AnneWimsey - I believe Klaatu was played by Keanu Reeves in the most recent version. He was the alien advocate who could control the robot.
The Atlantic magzine has an article this month about a new interpretation of Job.
DenoPenno comments on Aug 24, 2019:
But it is only a story. Evangelicals take it as real and they get angry when you say god and the devil had a bet. What I always wanted to know was did Job get his original wife and children back at the end or are they different persons? If the originals, were they resurrected, and if so did they ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 24, 2019:
@DenoPenno - No argument from me. It is in part why I asked thd quextion. Seems to me, the devil won the bet, even wifhout Greenstein's translation and interpretation. Job did question God afterall.
DenoPenno comments on Aug 24, 2019:
But it is only a story. Evangelicals take it as real and they get angry when you say god and the devil had a bet. What I always wanted to know was did Job get his original wife and children back at the end or are they different persons? If the originals, were they resurrected, and if so did they ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 24, 2019:
@DenoPenno - No argument from me. It is in part why I asked thd quextion. Seems to me, the devil won the bet, even wifhout Greenstein's translation and interpretation. Job did question God afterall.
The Atlantic magzine has an article this month about a new interpretation of Job.
DenoPenno comments on Aug 24, 2019:
But it is only a story. Evangelicals take it as real and they get angry when you say god and the devil had a bet. What I always wanted to know was did Job get his original wife and children back at the end or are they different persons? If the originals, were they resurrected, and if so did they ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 24, 2019:
I never intended to suggest that Job was anything more than a story. Its translation and interpretation would matter to those who take it as more even if its just considered a parable-like story.
DenoPenno comments on Aug 24, 2019:
But it is only a story. Evangelicals take it as real and they get angry when you say god and the devil had a bet. What I always wanted to know was did Job get his original wife and children back at the end or are they different persons? If the originals, were they resurrected, and if so did they ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 24, 2019:
I never intended to suggest that Job was anything more than a story. Its translation and interpretation would matter to those who take it as more even if its just considered a parable-like story.
[theweek.
RussRAB comments on Aug 23, 2019:
Voting indeed is a right even if it is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. The 9th Amendment is one of our Bill of Rights and says "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Parental rights are not ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 23, 2019:
@AnonySchmoose - I stand by assertion that voting rights are covered by the assertion of the 9th Amendment. Government by the people doesn't make much sense if the primary means by which the people participate in government is discarded.
I do compliment you on your argument, however. As others have stated, you have presented an argument which interesting and well supported. I find it disappointing that we must explicitly state every single right possessed by the individual in order to prevent them from being erroded dispite the 9th Amendment. But then, I have run across people who would force us to rewrite the principles of 14th Amendment because its historical context involved newly freed slaves and therefore could not apply to hispanics, women, gays, or any other traditionally oppressed or overlooked segment of our society. How absurd when the principles at issue concerning the Amendment easily apply to others - indeed all other menbers of society. Now deceased Justice Scalia did proclaim the Constitution "Dead, dead, dead" as a living document. No wonder right wing sources find reason to attack one of most basic of rights as Americans.
RussRAB comments on Aug 23, 2019:
Voting indeed is a right even if it is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. The 9th Amendment is one of our Bill of Rights and says "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Parental rights are not ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 23, 2019:
@AnonySchmoose - I stand by assertion that voting rights are covered by the assertion of the 9th Amendment. Government by the people doesn't make much sense if the primary means by which the people participate in government is discarded.
I do compliment you on your argument, however. As others have stated, you have presented an argument which interesting and well supported. I find it disappointing that we must explicitly state every single right possessed by the individual in order to prevent them from being erroded dispite the 9th Amendment. But then, I have run across people who would force us to rewrite the principles of 14th Amendment because its historical context involved newly freed slaves and therefore could not apply to hispanics, women, gays, or any other traditionally oppressed or overlooked segment of our society. How absurd when the principles at issue concerning the Amendment easily apply to others - indeed all other menbers of society. Now deceased Justice Scalia did proclaim the Constitution "Dead, dead, dead" as a living document. No wonder right wing sources find reason to attack one of most basic of rights as Americans.
[theweek.
bobwjr comments on Aug 22, 2019:
Wow but the links are to ultra right centers
RussRAB replies on Aug 23, 2019:
The right wing sources of those advocating for limiting or eliminating the voting rights of Americans doesn't surprise me at all. The American right wing has sought to secure their power even as they have become a minority party. Voters in state legislative elections within Wisconsin (I belueve) cast about 10,000 more votes for Democrats than Republicans, but Republicans sent twice as many representatives to their congress as did Democrats. My manipulating districts, the minority party retained a large controlling majority in the legislature. Such manipulation should be considered unAmerican regardless which party does it.
bobwjr comments on Aug 22, 2019:
Wow but the links are to ultra right centers
RussRAB replies on Aug 23, 2019:
The right wing sources of those advocating for limiting or eliminating the voting rights of Americans doesn't surprise me at all. The American right wing has sought to secure their power even as they have become a minority party. Voters in state legislative elections within Wisconsin (I belueve) cast about 10,000 more votes for Democrats than Republicans, but Republicans sent twice as many representatives to their congress as did Democrats. My manipulating districts, the minority party retained a large controlling majority in the legislature. Such manipulation should be considered unAmerican regardless which party does it.
Mountain Meadows Massacre
9) Mormonism's repressive ideas about human sexuality, including strict ...
RussRAB comments on Aug 17, 2019:
The problem that some may not get of someone getting ready to convert to Mormonism is that they do not get the whole story from Mormon missionaries, and the Mormon conversion machine is geared to fellowshipping potential converts. At one time, a General Conference theme encouraged all Mormon ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 18, 2019:
@vertrauen - It's difficult to say what the primary Mormon misrepresentation because there are so many. Mormons are willing to believe and perpetuate (for the most part) any scenario that exonerates the Mormon church, and some of the beliefs are outlandish. I was told by one faithful member that certain members of the wagon train were Missourians who claimed to have Joseph Smith's scrotum and supposedly threatened Mormons along their journey. They were also accused of poisoning water sources along the way especially those used by the indians. Equally outlandish claims have been made by the other side.
I find it difficult to summarize this event without a few more details and I hope you will bare with me if it gets a bit long. I will attempt to keep it short.
The Francher Wagon Train entered Salt Lake valley near Salt Lake City which is a typical route for those traveling west to Califofnia. Utah territory and the Mormons were fearful of the US government since rumors were that the US army was headed there with promises of the US President to address the polygamy situation there. Mormon had been persecuted in the past by govt. (They also did their share of persecuting, but they don't hear that side).
Anyway, the wagon train leaders may have met with Brigham Young (I don't recall) but they headed south through the length of the valley since the terrain west of Cedar City was more easily traversed. Along the way, they encountered Mormons who were reluctant to sell them supplies because they were worried about the US army arriving. They had been told by church leaders to escape into the mountains if threatened and they believed they would need their supplies to survive. Angry words may have been exchanged since both wanted resources the Mormons possessed. Mormons often sold supplies to wagon trains traveling west so withholding these supplies was probably not understood.
As the wagon train headed west away from Cedar City they were attacked by indians (who the Mormons recruited) and they were disabled unable to proceed at this point. Some Mormon men may have joined in with the indians, I don't recall, but it quickly became evident that the Mormons were involved in at least planning the attack. Imo, this sealed the wagon trains fate. I don't believe the Mormons would allow themselves to be part of this event harming these people.
Motivations for the Mormon's attack may have included a blood oath added to the Mormon temple ceremony to avenge the death of Joseph Smith (this oath was later removed). The thinking was reportedly reinforced by a traveling Mormon apostle who left Salt Lake City after the Francher wagon train arrived in the city and ahead of their departure. I believe church detractors see this as Brigham Young instructing the attack, but...
RussRAB comments on Aug 17, 2019:
The problem that some may not get of someone getting ready to convert to Mormonism is that they do not get the whole story from Mormon missionaries, and the Mormon conversion machine is geared to fellowshipping potential converts. At one time, a General Conference theme encouraged all Mormon ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 18, 2019:
@vertrauen - It's difficult to say what the primary Mormon misrepresentation because there are so many. Mormons are willing to believe and perpetuate (for the most part) any scenario that exonerates the Mormon church, and some of the beliefs are outlandish. I was told by one faithful member that certain members of the wagon train were Missourians who claimed to have Joseph Smith's scrotum and supposedly threatened Mormons along their journey. They were also accused of poisoning water sources along the way especially those used by the indians. Equally outlandish claims have been made by the other side.
I find it difficult to summarize this event without a few more details and I hope you will bare with me if it gets a bit long. I will attempt to keep it short.
The Francher Wagon Train entered Salt Lake valley near Salt Lake City which is a typical route for those traveling west to Califofnia. Utah territory and the Mormons were fearful of the US government since rumors were that the US army was headed there with promises of the US President to address the polygamy situation there. Mormon had been persecuted in the past by govt. (They also did their share of persecuting, but they don't hear that side).
Anyway, the wagon train leaders may have met with Brigham Young (I don't recall) but they headed south through the length of the valley since the terrain west of Cedar City was more easily traversed. Along the way, they encountered Mormons who were reluctant to sell them supplies because they were worried about the US army arriving. They had been told by church leaders to escape into the mountains if threatened and they believed they would need their supplies to survive. Angry words may have been exchanged since both wanted resources the Mormons possessed. Mormons often sold supplies to wagon trains traveling west so withholding these supplies was probably not understood.
As the wagon train headed west away from Cedar City they were attacked by indians (who the Mormons recruited) and they were disabled unable to proceed at this point. Some Mormon men may have joined in with the indians, I don't recall, but it quickly became evident that the Mormons were involved in at least planning the attack. Imo, this sealed the wagon trains fate. I don't believe the Mormons would allow themselves to be part of this event harming these people.
Motivations for the Mormon's attack may have included a blood oath added to the Mormon temple ceremony to avenge the death of Joseph Smith (this oath was later removed). The thinking was reportedly reinforced by a traveling Mormon apostle who left Salt Lake City after the Francher wagon train arrived in the city and ahead of their departure. I believe church detractors see this as Brigham Young instructing the attack, but...
Mountain Meadows Massacre
9) Mormonism's repressive ideas about human sexuality, including strict ...
RussRAB comments on Aug 17, 2019:
The problem that some may not get of someone getting ready to convert to Mormonism is that they do not get the whole story from Mormon missionaries, and the Mormon conversion machine is geared to fellowshipping potential converts. At one time, a General Conference theme encouraged all Mormon ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
The issue of presenting negative information to your son, you might suggest that he may want to examine both sides of what he is being told before making a decision to join. He is likely being treated a bit like royalty at this stage, which will likely change soon after baptism.
Be prepared to have anything negative about the Mormons be called lies. This was something I struggled with on my way out. I felt it was clear that a certain amount of what is said negative about the church was untrue, embellished by those anxious to prove their point or to justify their own position. I also found reason to believe that the church leaders lied or obfuscated certain bits of information uncomplimentary of the church. The situation around Paul H Dunn was particularly telling to me at the time. In the end, I decided it didn't matter how many lies anti-Mormons told (their actions only made determining the truth more difficult), but that church leaders couldn't be trusted was a big problem for me. Mormons are told how special these leaders are and how they csn be trusted implicitly in all matters. But it just isn't true. Their job is to protect the church and to increase its revenue by gaining members. They are willing to lie and to look the other way whiles others within their ranks lie.
In the end, it is ultimately your son's decision to join or not to join, but you obviously know this to be the case. I wish you the best in interacting with your son, and I wish you both happiness however this situation turns out.
RussRAB comments on Aug 17, 2019:
The problem that some may not get of someone getting ready to convert to Mormonism is that they do not get the whole story from Mormon missionaries, and the Mormon conversion machine is geared to fellowshipping potential converts. At one time, a General Conference theme encouraged all Mormon ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
The issue of presenting negative information to your son, you might suggest that he may want to examine both sides of what he is being told before making a decision to join. He is likely being treated a bit like royalty at this stage, which will likely change soon after baptism.
Be prepared to have anything negative about the Mormons be called lies. This was something I struggled with on my way out. I felt it was clear that a certain amount of what is said negative about the church was untrue, embellished by those anxious to prove their point or to justify their own position. I also found reason to believe that the church leaders lied or obfuscated certain bits of information uncomplimentary of the church. The situation around Paul H Dunn was particularly telling to me at the time. In the end, I decided it didn't matter how many lies anti-Mormons told (their actions only made determining the truth more difficult), but that church leaders couldn't be trusted was a big problem for me. Mormons are told how special these leaders are and how they csn be trusted implicitly in all matters. But it just isn't true. Their job is to protect the church and to increase its revenue by gaining members. They are willing to lie and to look the other way whiles others within their ranks lie.
In the end, it is ultimately your son's decision to join or not to join, but you obviously know this to be the case. I wish you the best in interacting with your son, and I wish you both happiness however this situation turns out.
Public Service Announcement from the Mormons:
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Fernapple comments on Aug 17, 2019:
Saw the video too. What is that building ? Is it a church or a theme park castle, the one Walt Disney rejected ?
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
That would be the Salt Lake City Mormon temple located across ftom the Church Office Building where all the church business is centered. If I remember corre tly, it's where Mormons believe Jesus will return.
A funny story: Years ago before the Mormon church bought the section of Main Street between the Salt Lake temple and the office building, tour buses would stop on Main Street in front of the temple where two huge wooden doors faced the street. Tour guides explained that these doors were to remain closed until Jesus returned to the earth and Jesus opened them to announce his return. On one occasion, a tour bus stopped and the guide gave his shpeel, and to everyone's amazement, one of the doors began to open. Out stepped a janitor with his mop, bucket, and other cleaning supplies.
Fernapple comments on Aug 17, 2019:
Saw the video too. What is that building ? Is it a church or a theme park castle, the one Walt Disney rejected ?
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
That would be the Salt Lake City Mormon temple located across ftom the Church Office Building where all the church business is centered. If I remember corre tly, it's where Mormons believe Jesus will return.
A funny story: Years ago before the Mormon church bought the section of Main Street between the Salt Lake temple and the office building, tour buses would stop on Main Street in front of the temple where two huge wooden doors faced the street. Tour guides explained that these doors were to remain closed until Jesus returned to the earth and Jesus opened them to announce his return. On one occasion, a tour bus stopped and the guide gave his shpeel, and to everyone's amazement, one of the doors began to open. Out stepped a janitor with his mop, bucket, and other cleaning supplies.
Wow. Mormons banning something. That's amazing.
So iced lattes are okay then?
chucklesIII comments on Aug 17, 2019:
My town banned Mormons from going door to door. The little fuckers still show up though.
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
@UpsideDownAgain - well, it was the girl's brother and not the girl, so the appeal would probably by more limited to those in-the-closet sex starved missionaries. 😉
chucklesIII comments on Aug 17, 2019:
My town banned Mormons from going door to door. The little fuckers still show up though.
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
@UpsideDownAgain - well, it was the girl's brother and not the girl, so the appeal would probably by more limited to those in-the-closet sex starved missionaries. 😉
Wow. Mormons banning something. That's amazing.
So iced lattes are okay then?
Sgt_Spanky comments on Aug 17, 2019:
Evidently GOD woke up this weekend and suddenly decided specialty coffee drinks, green tea, and vaping offended him so he gave the word to spread this info among his flock via newsletter so they can all now consider these things to be a sin.
A newsletter? This is how god distributes his commands ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
@RichCC - I heard from someone who was questioning the church at the time that the Mormon church was facing an issue with their tax exempt status over discrimination of black people. Then suddenly, Kimball has a revelation that black people are ok. The Mormon church preserves its tax exempt status (which also means its financial records remain secret) and saves face all in one maneuver.
Sgt_Spanky comments on Aug 17, 2019:
Evidently GOD woke up this weekend and suddenly decided specialty coffee drinks, green tea, and vaping offended him so he gave the word to spread this info among his flock via newsletter so they can all now consider these things to be a sin.
A newsletter? This is how god distributes his commands ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
@RichCC - I heard from someone who was questioning the church at the time that the Mormon church was facing an issue with their tax exempt status over discrimination of black people. Then suddenly, Kimball has a revelation that black people are ok. The Mormon church preserves its tax exempt status (which also means its financial records remain secret) and saves face all in one maneuver.
Wow. Mormons banning something. That's amazing.
So iced lattes are okay then?
Sgt_Spanky comments on Aug 17, 2019:
Evidently GOD woke up this weekend and suddenly decided specialty coffee drinks, green tea, and vaping offended him so he gave the word to spread this info among his flock via newsletter so they can all now consider these things to be a sin.
A newsletter? This is how god distributes his commands ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
The problem is that your question applies to far more than just the Mormons. Being such a widespread phenomenon, I would think we may need to look for a more fundamental human flaw.
Sgt_Spanky comments on Aug 17, 2019:
Evidently GOD woke up this weekend and suddenly decided specialty coffee drinks, green tea, and vaping offended him so he gave the word to spread this info among his flock via newsletter so they can all now consider these things to be a sin.
A newsletter? This is how god distributes his commands ...
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
The problem is that your question applies to far more than just the Mormons. Being such a widespread phenomenon, I would think we may need to look for a more fundamental human flaw.
Wow. Mormons banning something. That's amazing.
So iced lattes are okay then?
UpsideDownAgain comments on Aug 17, 2019:
Oh, God, this takes me back to very confusing times. I can't believe I accepted that bullshit.
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
I'm with you.
UpsideDownAgain comments on Aug 17, 2019:
Oh, God, this takes me back to very confusing times. I can't believe I accepted that bullshit.
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
I'm with you.
Wow. Mormons banning something. That's amazing.
So iced lattes are okay then?
t1nick comments on Aug 17, 2019:
They used to ban Coca-cola products because the coke had caffeine in it. But then they bought a sizable interest in the company and their church elder suddenly had a visit from God telling him was alright to drink coke now.
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
The story I got while a member was that there never was a ban on Coke products but that church president Kimball once said something like 'why would anyone drink Coke when they took all the bad stuff in coffee and put it in Coke?' From there, overzealous members decided that Coke - and Pepsi from my undrstanding - should be included in the ban with coffee and tea. I have no idea what the truth is on this subject. I never cared much for cola drinks. I was raised on root beer and orange and grape sodas.
t1nick comments on Aug 17, 2019:
They used to ban Coca-cola products because the coke had caffeine in it. But then they bought a sizable interest in the company and their church elder suddenly had a visit from God telling him was alright to drink coke now.
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
The story I got while a member was that there never was a ban on Coke products but that church president Kimball once said something like 'why would anyone drink Coke when they took all the bad stuff in coffee and put it in Coke?' From there, overzealous members decided that Coke - and Pepsi from my undrstanding - should be included in the ban with coffee and tea. I have no idea what the truth is on this subject. I never cared much for cola drinks. I was raised on root beer and orange and grape sodas.
Wow. Mormons banning something. That's amazing.
So iced lattes are okay then?
chucklesIII comments on Aug 17, 2019:
My town banned Mormons from going door to door. The little fuckers still show up though.
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
Years ago when I was in High School, a girl I knew said her brother got them to stop knocking on his door by answering it naked.
Here where I live, it isn't Mormons who knock on doors so much, but Jehovah's Witnesses.
chucklesIII comments on Aug 17, 2019:
My town banned Mormons from going door to door. The little fuckers still show up though.
RussRAB replies on Aug 17, 2019:
Years ago when I was in High School, a girl I knew said her brother got them to stop knocking on his door by answering it naked.
Here where I live, it isn't Mormons who knock on doors so much, but Jehovah's Witnesses.
There are no words horrendous
Happy_Killbot comments on Aug 15, 2019:
I look forward to the day when such things as squabbling over who gets to work is a laughable relic of history.
Alright, I'm going to say my peace even though my opinion may be a little controversial ( not that I care about conformity anyways ) First off, this post misrepresents the bill a little...
RussRAB replies on Aug 15, 2019:
Other reasons may prevent someone from working at Company A such as they don't have any opennings at the moment. While working at Company B wouldn't be ideal, it may be better than being homeless and hungrey - until a position opens up at Company A.
Happy_Killbot comments on Aug 15, 2019:
I look forward to the day when such things as squabbling over who gets to work is a laughable relic of history.
Alright, I'm going to say my peace even though my opinion may be a little controversial ( not that I care about conformity anyways ) First off, this post misrepresents the bill a little...
RussRAB replies on Aug 15, 2019:
Other reasons may prevent someone from working at Company A such as they don't have any opennings at the moment. While working at Company B wouldn't be ideal, it may be better than being homeless and hungrey - until a position opens up at Company A.
State Sen.
Della comments on Aug 14, 2019:
I thought the national motto was "E pluribus unum" which means "Out of many, one". When did this change?
RussRAB replies on Aug 15, 2019:
Was E pluribus unum done away with? I thought we adopted a second motto mid 1950's as a part of McCarthyism.
Della comments on Aug 14, 2019:
I thought the national motto was "E pluribus unum" which means "Out of many, one". When did this change?
RussRAB replies on Aug 15, 2019:
Was E pluribus unum done away with? I thought we adopted a second motto mid 1950's as a part of McCarthyism.
Imagine for a moment that the concept of god never existed, that no one had ever heard of such an ...
BirdMan1 comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I see religion as a "Culturally supported delusion," a phrase of my own devising. The concept of religion, in my perspective, came before the concept of using it to control people, as a tool of manipulation and control.
But, as pointed out, clearly visible today, people seek patterns, people are...
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
@Shouldbefishing - No doubt this is true, but modern day Jews for Jesus were those Jews who took just a bit longer to get the Jesus message. By then the Christian culture had changed just a little. 😊
BirdMan1 comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I see religion as a "Culturally supported delusion," a phrase of my own devising. The concept of religion, in my perspective, came before the concept of using it to control people, as a tool of manipulation and control.
But, as pointed out, clearly visible today, people seek patterns, people are...
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
@Shouldbefishing - No doubt this is true, but modern day Jews for Jesus were those Jews who took just a bit longer to get the Jesus message. By then the Christian culture had changed just a little. 😊
I found reason just recently to block another participant here on this forum.
webbew1 comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I don’t block anyone. I figure if you’re dumb enough to spout off stupid crap, you deserve to get slapped down for it. And I’m more than happy to deliver the slap down.
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
@webbew1 - Believe it or not, I'm doing better that way also, but it isn't all there yet. I believe my fear has as much to do with appearing as the village idiot as much as dealing with one.
webbew1 comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I don’t block anyone. I figure if you’re dumb enough to spout off stupid crap, you deserve to get slapped down for it. And I’m more than happy to deliver the slap down.
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
@webbew1 - Believe it or not, I'm doing better that way also, but it isn't all there yet. I believe my fear has as much to do with appearing as the village idiot as much as dealing with one.
Imagine for a moment that the concept of god never existed, that no one had ever heard of such an ...
BirdMan1 comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I see religion as a "Culturally supported delusion," a phrase of my own devising. The concept of religion, in my perspective, came before the concept of using it to control people, as a tool of manipulation and control.
But, as pointed out, clearly visible today, people seek patterns, people are...
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
I agree that religion is intricately intertwined with culture. Years ago (and perhaps today as well, I haven't heard about them in a long time) there was an organization known as Jews for Jesus. As I understand, these were Jews who came accepted Jesus as Christians do, but they wanted to maintain their Jewish traditions. Also, many of the Christian holidays like Christmas and Easter were adapted from Pagan holidays which occurred about the same time of the year.
BirdMan1 comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I see religion as a "Culturally supported delusion," a phrase of my own devising. The concept of religion, in my perspective, came before the concept of using it to control people, as a tool of manipulation and control.
But, as pointed out, clearly visible today, people seek patterns, people are...
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
I agree that religion is intricately intertwined with culture. Years ago (and perhaps today as well, I haven't heard about them in a long time) there was an organization known as Jews for Jesus. As I understand, these were Jews who came accepted Jesus as Christians do, but they wanted to maintain their Jewish traditions. Also, many of the Christian holidays like Christmas and Easter were adapted from Pagan holidays which occurred about the same time of the year.
I found reason just recently to block another participant here on this forum.
UUNJ comments on Aug 12, 2019:
Yes, you do! I blocked someone who has been reported twice for sending unsolicited dick picks. I consider it a vaccine against an idiot disrespecting me.
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
Wow! That would be awful. I like your vaccine analogy.
UUNJ comments on Aug 12, 2019:
Yes, you do! I blocked someone who has been reported twice for sending unsolicited dick picks. I consider it a vaccine against an idiot disrespecting me.
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
Wow! That would be awful. I like your vaccine analogy.
I found reason just recently to block another participant here on this forum.
webbew1 comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I don’t block anyone. I figure if you’re dumb enough to spout off stupid crap, you deserve to get slapped down for it. And I’m more than happy to deliver the slap down.
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
It was a good step in the right direction for me to block them. Slapping them down is still a ways down tne road - and I may never get there. Lots of possible reasons for it, and I'm working on it.
webbew1 comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I don’t block anyone. I figure if you’re dumb enough to spout off stupid crap, you deserve to get slapped down for it. And I’m more than happy to deliver the slap down.
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
It was a good step in the right direction for me to block them. Slapping them down is still a ways down tne road - and I may never get there. Lots of possible reasons for it, and I'm working on it.
I found reason just recently to block another participant here on this forum.
NoPlanetB comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I do try not to block people but if their vitriol is so obnoxious or their bullshit so pervasive... I send them to the block zone. No regrets. I just do not have tolerance for toxic people.
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
I agree, and I initially thought I would try not blocking anyone. They could be ignored instead. The person I blocked just wasn't someone I wanted to interact with at all and not blocking them meant they could respond to my comments. I decided I didn't want that either. Btw, their interactions weren't with me directly, but the way they treated others was awful. I'm here for community and having this person pop up every so often would cause me to want to leave.
NoPlanetB comments on Aug 12, 2019:
I do try not to block people but if their vitriol is so obnoxious or their bullshit so pervasive... I send them to the block zone. No regrets. I just do not have tolerance for toxic people.
RussRAB replies on Aug 12, 2019:
I agree, and I initially thought I would try not blocking anyone. They could be ignored instead. The person I blocked just wasn't someone I wanted to interact with at all and not blocking them meant they could respond to my comments. I decided I didn't want that either. Btw, their interactions weren't with me directly, but the way they treated others was awful. I'm here for community and having this person pop up every so often would cause me to want to leave.
My new puppy.
Pralina1 comments on Aug 11, 2019:
BEST THING I VE SEEN IN MONTHS .
Thank u for sharing . Congrats for the new friend , I know he is greatful , i know u gonna share so much love .
I am so happy for him and so thankful of u ♥️♥️♥️
RussRAB replies on Aug 11, 2019:
Agreed! I love stories like this.
Pralina1 comments on Aug 11, 2019:
BEST THING I VE SEEN IN MONTHS .
Thank u for sharing . Congrats for the new friend , I know he is greatful , i know u gonna share so much love .
I am so happy for him and so thankful of u ♥️♥️♥️
RussRAB replies on Aug 11, 2019:
Agreed! I love stories like this.
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