Trump is determined leave America in the most vulnerable position possible since he was not ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 17, 2020:

Not that surprising. Trump has never had any real patriotism, only the fake, symbolic, rah-rah type that his fans eat up. He won't pay his taxes and he dodged the draft with phony medical claims. That should tell you all you need to know about his real amount of patriotism.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 18, 2020:

@GipsyOfNewSpain It's always been that way, at least in the US.

How do we define “physical connection” during a pandemic?

indelible comments on Nov 17, 2020:

I suppose you can still feel like you're clicking or sparking or not sparking with someone even if you like other things about them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 18, 2020:

@UUNJ I appreciate that you are more honest and realistic than most women I have dealt with in the dating game. Those women either were lying about what they wanted to hear or were mistaken about what they were ready to hear. You appear to be neither and also are rare in not expecting more from the men than you can offer yourself as far as physical condition at our age. In my experience, it seems like the women are still expecting men at my age to have the physical condition of someone younger AND have lots of money, both of which are unrealistic unless the woman has exceptional beauty. That's just how the dating market works.

Trump is determined leave America in the most vulnerable position possible since he was not ...

KevinMR comments on Nov 17, 2020:

I think knowingly lying and conning every single day is pretty evil. This is completely expected. And he's "christian" :)!

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

Only in a totally hollow, symbolic way so he can pander to his evangelical base members.

Trump is determined leave America in the most vulnerable position possible since he was not ...

Pralina1 comments on Nov 17, 2020:

He will try to get a war start . He will try everything .

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

That appears to be his current tack, now that his lawsuits over the election aren't getting anywhere..

How do we define “physical connection” during a pandemic?

indelible comments on Nov 17, 2020:

I suppose you can still feel like you're clicking or sparking or not sparking with someone even if you like other things about them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

@UUNJ The honest truth about why I'm not physically attracted to them. And when I do share, I don't use euphanisms like "I don't see a future with them"etc., because in each case they have asked for specific reasons, such as being overweight, for one, and it seems they don't want to hear the truth. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I'm not going to get into graphic specifics and quote myself in an open forum with strangers...

These are my pictures when I first joined Agnostic.

creative51 comments on Nov 17, 2020:

I am glad you stayed. I did notice that some members were overly harsh to you when you first joined. I think it was partly because they were/are subliminally racist towards people from Asia and because you are both intelligent and good looking. Sexist stereotype is that good looking women are not ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

Not that sure that racism was involved here. The fact is that most scammers using a female profile tend to be from Asia or Eastern Europe, in my limited experience. So maybe most of those members were expressing appropriate skepticism, esp. if the pics appeared to be impressive enough to be similar to those of models that the scammers usually steal to use for profiles.

How do we define “physical connection” during a pandemic?

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 17, 2020:

Beats me. I have no idea how to gauge that stuff with Covid, and also wasn't good at that before Covid, as far as being able to gauge the other person's level of interest. As far as gauging my own level of attraction, I was fairly good at that before Covid. I've been sitting out the dating game ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

@UUNJ I was on Match until Feb., and am sitting it out until Covid has mostly passed. I might rejoin this summer, we'll see.

How do we define “physical connection” during a pandemic?

indelible comments on Nov 17, 2020:

I suppose you can still feel like you're clicking or sparking or not sparking with someone even if you like other things about them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

@UUNJ Doesn't matter how I have worded it in the past, most women I have shared with in the dating game about this issue seem to be asking one thing and at the same time wanting something else. They need to put on their big girl pants, grow up, and be honest about what they are asking and ready to hear.

How do we define “physical connection” during a pandemic?

indelible comments on Nov 17, 2020:

I suppose you can still feel like you're clicking or sparking or not sparking with someone even if you like other things about them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

@UUNJ Some people are able and willing to honestly and openly share why they are not physically attracted to someone, esp. if the other person asks them to share honestly. I am one of those people, but in the future I will think twice about doing so, even if asked, because most of the time, in my experience, even those who ask for that kind of feedback end up resenting it and turning out to not really be open to hearing it. I don't like being set up or put in a double bind by people.

I’d heated, but not distributed the warm pads, yet.

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 17, 2020:

You cats are so spoiled! I want to be reincarnated as a spoiled cat of yours..

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

@Zster Maybe that's who Jasper really is...

Too little, too late.

Donna_I comments on Nov 17, 2020:

It is infuriating that Trump forced this to be political and doubly so that Reynolds went allong with it!!! 😡 I wonder if Branstad quit his China position so he could move back and resume being governor again?

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

I've wondered that too. It would be horrible if Reynolds ended up being replaced by Terry. We've already had too much of him.

2024

bobwjr comments on Nov 16, 2020:

Can't run from prison

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 17, 2020:

Actually, that's not true. Eugene Debs, the labor leader, ran from prison on the Socialist Party ticket and got a few million votes.

Why Biden won’t unite a deeply divided nation

Archeus_Lore comments on Nov 16, 2020:

500 years from now, it will be a toasted, nuclear wasteland flattened out by nuclear explosions, radioactive, and dead . . . . it will need a couple of million years to recover from that.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 16, 2020:

Glad I will be long dead before then.

No Mask No Service! This is our Health! [reddit.com]

Wildgreens comments on Nov 14, 2020:

There are also different ways to get your groceries, that don’t involve going into a grocery store.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 16, 2020:

Some chains do not provide curbside pickup. Others do provide it, but charge extra. Why should we have to be inconvenienced or pay more because of the assholes who won't do the right thing? They are the minority, at least in my experience lately.

While this seemed even tempered if you read her reasons all seem to boil down to "They're idiots"...

Sticks48 comments on Nov 15, 2020:

Other than those greedy bastards that vote only because of lower taxes, if you vote for a racist, misogynistic, lying, amoral, immoral POS, I can only conclude that you are also a POS, period! This of course makes one really stupid, evil, or both, none of which is a good thing.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 16, 2020:

If you want to get analytical about it, the Trump voters amount to just a few groups, some of whom overlap in their mindsets. Greedheads, who you referred to as those who don't want to pay taxes or fund the common good. Evangelicals who sold out their religion for getting conservative judges to go with the lip service of the Repubs on religion. The QAnon nutcases. Gun loving nuts. And, finally, bigots of all stripes who hate women, queer folk, racial and religious minorities, and liberal culture. In other words, nobody matters except white males and maybe the conservative obedient women they're married to. Our country would be so much better if they all did die off or leave.

That mouse was this big...I swear!!!!!

Lilac-JadeCanada comments on Nov 14, 2020:

Bigger mouse trap...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 14, 2020:

Poor kitty feels bullied and under attack..

My step cousin’s wife posted this and it made me LIVID.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Nov 14, 2020:

Stupid of her bragging how she is going to do many of the things she will never have a chance to do and probably is too damned dumb to accomplish in any case.... All she does is spew intentional stupidity and act as if she is better than anyone else who is going to have a life with real ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 14, 2020:

@1EarthLovingGal Having to struggle financially and work shit jobs from a young age takes years off your life expectancy, not to mention ruins your quality of life. Which is one reason that people in those situations usually smoke cigarettes, drink a lot, and abuse street drugs, if they can afford them. It's self medication to cope with the stress, the depression, and tamp down the rage they also feel.

Well done .

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

And the predicted influx of conservatives and Trumpers begins..... Just respect our intelligence by not saying idiotic or blatantly false things like calling Biden a socialist or far left, because, we who were already here will instantly see thru it and call you on it without any restraint.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 14, 2020:

@Seriousreason It's all about you, not the common good or equality.

Well done .

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

And the predicted influx of conservatives and Trumpers begins..... Just respect our intelligence by not saying idiotic or blatantly false things like calling Biden a socialist or far left, because, we who were already here will instantly see thru it and call you on it without any restraint.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 14, 2020:

@Seriousreason You really sound more like a Libertarian than any kind of lefty. No wonder RoboGraham and I don't seem to like you.

My step cousin’s wife posted this and it made me LIVID.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Nov 14, 2020:

Stupid of her bragging how she is going to do many of the things she will never have a chance to do and probably is too damned dumb to accomplish in any case.... All she does is spew intentional stupidity and act as if she is better than anyone else who is going to have a life with real ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 14, 2020:

There are always exceptions to every rule, but the fact is that having babies when young, single and without a college education or a decent paying career first means limited choices later in life and a very low standard of living. A small percentage of women manage to overcome this and get a college education, find good paying employment, maybe even win the marriage lottery and find a husband that earns a good income, but those exceptions are rare. An unplanned pregnancy at a young age to a woman on her own usually means long-term to permanent life at the poverty level or lifetime membership in the working poor.

Well done .

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

And the predicted influx of conservatives and Trumpers begins..... Just respect our intelligence by not saying idiotic or blatantly false things like calling Biden a socialist or far left, because, we who were already here will instantly see thru it and call you on it without any restraint.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 14, 2020:

@Seriousreason It appears that, unlike me and the group's originator, RoboGraham, or even most of the group's members, you see politics as all one big joke and don't take Biden or his faults seriously. I doubt you're going to last very long here, but if you do, I'll probably be blocking you. I doubt most members here see me coming off as hysterical, but them seeing you as an asshole, I wouldn't ask them if I were you... Also, the red-baiting about AOC and Bernie makes you look like another hyperbolic Trump fan...

Have you been catching Biden's transitioning team announcements and Clintonite advisor who has been ...

Piece2YourPuzzle comments on Nov 13, 2020:

Democrats and their voters will justify it all. They will say something like, well they're experienced in this stuff. We have to trust Biden to do the right thing.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 13, 2020:

They will also say the same shit to justify it when Biden and the Dem leaders let Trump and his cronies off the hook for crimes commited. " We have to move forward, unify and heal the nation", etc. All bullshit. When you let that stuff slide, you truly kill the soul of the nation... So much for Biden saying he was going to save the soul of the nation.

Newly-Elected Alabama Senator Cannot Name The Three Branches Of Government - The Intellectualist

yvilletom comments on Nov 13, 2020:

If anyone had asked candidate Tuberville before the election, we can only hope Alabamans would have voted differently.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 13, 2020:

I really doubt it would make a difference to most of them. Willfully ignorant and proud of it.

Hate-Preacher: Girls Who Look Like Rachel Maddow Are “Repulsive” to “Normal” Men | Hemant ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

I despise Maddow not for her looks at all, but for how she's sold out from who she used to be on Air America radio. Nowadays she shills for the establishment Dems in the party of identity politics and neoliberal war-mongering. So sad to remember what she used to stand for. She's an ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 12, 2020:

@genessa Time to block. You appear to suffer from LastWorditis..

I remember why I stopped responding to posts in the general section of this website.

Piece2YourPuzzle comments on Nov 11, 2020:

They're also talking about how it's great that a woman is VP and can potentially be president. At what cost though? Just because it's a woman doesn't mean she can't be corrupt or support horrible policy. Someone mentioned Thatcher being a capable leader. Thatcher was a horrible person.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 12, 2020:

@Piece2YourPuzzle Yup, most of them are ignorant rubes who vote based on the most superficial things.

Hate-Preacher: Girls Who Look Like Rachel Maddow Are “Repulsive” to “Normal” Men | Hemant ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

I despise Maddow not for her looks at all, but for how she's sold out from who she used to be on Air America radio. Nowadays she shills for the establishment Dems in the party of identity politics and neoliberal war-mongering. So sad to remember what she used to stand for. She's an ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 12, 2020:

@genessa Believe what you want.

Hate-Preacher: Girls Who Look Like Rachel Maddow Are “Repulsive” to “Normal” Men | Hemant ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

I despise Maddow not for her looks at all, but for how she's sold out from who she used to be on Air America radio. Nowadays she shills for the establishment Dems in the party of identity politics and neoliberal war-mongering. So sad to remember what she used to stand for. She's an ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

@genessa Say what you want. When she was on Air America, she supported progressives and criticized corporate establishment Dems. On MSNBC she criticizes progressives as soon as they threaten to get power within the Dem Party or get elected prez. So it's clear she changed her tune on what political side of the spectrum she supported over the other when she changed networks. If that's not selling out, as they said in the Sixties, I don't know what is. I have never sold out, politically or to get a job where I denied who I was or what my politics, are. That's why I despise those that do, simply so they can get more perks, more money, and be higher status in America. Feel free to think different and suit yourself, but I am proud of who I am and my friends are the same as me, they never sold out. I could not be friends with someone who did and had no regrets about it because that would mean they put money and status above all else.

Does anyone have any insights into what the Biden Cabinet will end up looking like?

Secretguy comments on Nov 11, 2020:

I see various versions of "both parties are the same" here. How intellectually lazy.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

@yvilletom I agree, it's just a bullshit off the cuff remark to make himself sound superior or smarter. It's easy to say that both parties are very different when you have a whole system of corporate media, from Fox on the right to MSNBC on the left, pushing that narrative all the time to brainwash Americans. My reply to this ass is for him to try reading Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent. He might learn something.

Does anyone have any insights into what the Biden Cabinet will end up looking like?

Druvius comments on Nov 11, 2020:

It's safe to bet that as under Obama, the cabinet picks will be appointed pretty much in their entirety by Wall Street approved people.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen That difference is probably true.

Does anyone have any insights into what the Biden Cabinet will end up looking like?

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

Magic 8 Ball tells me it will have plenty of black and brown people along with many hacks and members of Goldman Sucks and other Wall Street types. Also members of industries that are supposed to be regulated will be appointed to head those departments charged with regulating them. As Joe said ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

@yvilletom I agree, Iowa sadly is not one of those states and for a couple decades now it's been a one-party red state. That is due to how Dems can't get any votes or find any candidates for statewide or federal offices that can connect with rural voters, same as Dems in most states. However, the way Iowa keeps losing population in the rural areas, it's only a matter of time before the Repubs will not longer win statewide elections or even control the legislature because the urban areas will have most of the population then. I hope I'm still alive to see that. The interesting thing about Iowa is that on a couple issues the two parties have no difference. One is air and water quality. Since factory farming is king here, neither party will stand up to the Farm Bureau and regulate hog lots or chemical pollution of the water by farm chemicals. The state department in charge of those things may as well be abolished and turned over to the Farm Bureau. The other is corporate welfare. Nuff said on that since it seems to be a national problem in state governments. The final area of similarity is regulation and inspections of nursing homes. Iowa's population skews heavily towards elderly folks and both parties take huge money from the nursing home industry, so it's the same as environmental regulation, anybody who tries to actually regulate or watchdog the industry either gets canned or is unable to get appointed by the governor of either party.

I remember why I stopped responding to posts in the general section of this website.

Piece2YourPuzzle comments on Nov 11, 2020:

They're also talking about how it's great that a woman is VP and can potentially be president. At what cost though? Just because it's a woman doesn't mean she can't be corrupt or support horrible policy. Someone mentioned Thatcher being a capable leader. Thatcher was a horrible person.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

Your reference to identity politics as practiced by Dem party supporters and the party is amusing. As I said four years ago, most Dem voters are such rubes and so influenced by identity politics, that I said back then that after Hillary's loss to Trump, the next play to identity politics with the voters would be the Dems nominating a gay male Hispanic candidate to capitalize on the remaining ID politics cards that hadn't been played yet. As it turns out, I wasn't that far off, only because Mayor Pete was white instead of Hispanic. He had nothing going for him but being gay, but otherwise he could have run as a moderate Repub if that party wasn't so homophobic.

" OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER! " .....really?

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 10, 2020:

Not saying you're wrong about Trump, but try calming down and breathing dude. Are you on meds? You could use some help.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

@holdenc98 The correct spelling is emojis, not that I prefer to use them. I think emojis are mainly for people who are too inarticulate to use words and sentences to express their feelings.

Well done .

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

And the predicted influx of conservatives and Trumpers begins..... Just respect our intelligence by not saying idiotic or blatantly false things like calling Biden a socialist or far left, because, we who were already here will instantly see thru it and call you on it without any restraint.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

@Seriousreason I'm just telling it like it is, pal. It's your problem if you think you have to accuse me of having hidden motives, "bravado" or gaslighting, whatever you are trying to mean with those labels for my comments. I think we both agree on what Biden is.

Does anyone have any insights into what the Biden Cabinet will end up looking like?

Druvius comments on Nov 11, 2020:

It's safe to bet that as under Obama, the cabinet picks will be appointed pretty much in their entirety by Wall Street approved people.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

When the prez candidates of the major parties have to be Wall Street approved, why would the cabinet be any different?

Does anyone have any insights into what the Biden Cabinet will end up looking like?

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

Magic 8 Ball tells me it will have plenty of black and brown people along with many hacks and members of Goldman Sucks and other Wall Street types. Also members of industries that are supposed to be regulated will be appointed to head those departments charged with regulating them. As Joe said ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen Most Americans don't pay much attention to what the parties actually do, rather than what they say. Regardless of the reason or reasons they don't pay attention, it explains a lot of why we have what we have. I think if most Americans were well-informed, payed close attention to what the parties were doing, and were adequately skeptical and critical in how they use mass media, we would have third parties that could win elections, even being outfunded by the major parties, who would either have to become responsive to us peasants, or else get voted out.

Does anyone have any insights into what the Biden Cabinet will end up looking like?

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 11, 2020:

Magic 8 Ball tells me it will have plenty of black and brown people along with many hacks and members of Goldman Sucks and other Wall Street types. Also members of industries that are supposed to be regulated will be appointed to head those departments charged with regulating them. As Joe said ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen Bingo! You appear to understand well Biden and the Dem Party and how they play their games with the public.

Well done .

RoboGraham comments on Nov 11, 2020:

Donnie definitely deserves plenty of blame for the botched pandemic response. The department of health and human services had a plan in place to send masks to every single American household at the beginning of the plague but Trump halted this plan. Had masks been sent to everyone early on, it ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 11, 2020:

Here, here..

" OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER! " .....really?

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 10, 2020:

Not saying you're wrong about Trump, but try calming down and breathing dude. Are you on meds? You could use some help.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 10, 2020:

@holdenc98 Just letting the rest of you all know that I blocked him for the very cheap shot of insulting me about being bald, like I can control my genetics. BTW, old man, you're not exactly Fabio or Brad Pitt yourself, so I wouldn't go tossing around insults on looks as a first option with strangers.. BTW, holden, I bet most women would describe you as at least "balding", you hypocritical asshole...

[youtube.com] Loved Joan Baez. Anyone else?

Holysocks comments on Nov 10, 2020:

She doesn't even compare to coal country music. All due respect.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 10, 2020:

Suit yourself. I hate country music and so do most people who identify as or with hippies. As I recall during the Sixties, it was clear that most fans of country music back then, hicks and rednecks from the sticks and esp. the South, were the ones beating up hippies, calling them communists, etc. I don't forget those things and have never forgiven that culture for it. As I recall, at the end of the movie Easy Rider, it was not fans of rock, soul, or blues music that murdered both of the hippie heroes of the movie. With all due respect....

Sometimes... this is a little too true.

Sticks48 comments on Nov 10, 2020:

That is why I don't date. As I got older I have to know someone socially before I "date" them.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 10, 2020:

Whatever works for you. I'm a big boy and smart enough to not get in too far with someone who's a psycho or abusive, so I'll take the risk of dating a stranger. Life's too short to be alone all the time.

And the new theme going is the same as it was with Obama.

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 9, 2020:

I agree. I remember how the sheeple celebrated so blindly when Obama won, then fell asleep and complacently settled for all his happy talk instead of him actually doing or fighting for anything to help the masses. And pushing for a healthcare plan that Romney had already done in MA doesn't count as ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 10, 2020:

@Piece2YourPuzzle Yup, they only care about getting money and power. I don't care if the candidate is a green-skinned trisexual alien-human hybrid, what matters is their real values, whether their record matches their rhetoric, whether they can be or have already been bought, who pulls their strings behind the scenes, and whether their policies match mine. All this crap about the candidate's identity stuff is irrelevant to the intelligent, informed voter.

And the new theme going is the same as it was with Obama.

Piece2YourPuzzle comments on Nov 10, 2020:

Democratic Party voters are about to fall asleep for 4-8 years again. I will never completely understand how any group of people can be so brainwashed and compliant and just ignore something.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 10, 2020:

Because they are lazy and self-centered. It is more comfortable and easy to live in a mode where all you expect from yourself is to vote Dem every two or four years and then complacently fall asleep after they are elected. You can tell yourself and others then that you have done your part and that Dems can be trusted to do the right thing in between elections, while you have no responsibility to watchdog them and hold them accountable to the voters.

And the new theme going is the same as it was with Obama.

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 9, 2020:

I agree. I remember how the sheeple celebrated so blindly when Obama won, then fell asleep and complacently settled for all his happy talk instead of him actually doing or fighting for anything to help the masses. And pushing for a healthcare plan that Romney had already done in MA doesn't count as ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 10, 2020:

@Piece2YourPuzzle I agree and that really nails what I hate about identity politics. It uses stereotypes to con people into believing a candidate will act and govern a certain way if they get elected. In the case of Obama, it was the assumption that because he was black, and therefore assumed to be empathetic and sympathetic to the plight of colored people and poor people, would do the right thing for them if elected prez. What fans of identity politics don't get is that traitors and sellouts come in all colors, genders, and sexual orientations. Just because someone shares their group's hobbies, image, and identity on the superficial or skin level, tells you nothing about their real values or allegiances regarding class or politics.

Now that the election results are mostly in, we can begin the reflection process and start to draw ...

powder comments on Nov 9, 2020:

The democrats problem is they blame others, never themselves. I agree this election should have been no contest. In 2016 people were screaming for change and the 2 most popular candidates reflected this; Trump and Sanders. The GOP allowed the popular candidate to run, a colourful campaign. The ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 9, 2020:

As I said above, the Dem leaders and the DNC will never "learn" from their defeats and have no intention of doing so. Winning elections is entirely secondary to keeping all that corporate money rolling in. It rolls in whether they win or lose elections, and being in the minority of the Senate or House is actually advantageous as it allows the Dems to talk a good game about how they want to help the peasants, but are always blocked by those evil Repubs. I know more liberal Dems than I can count that actually believe this shit and blame the Repubs for all the lack of progressive action by the Dems. It's like the movie The Matrix, almost none of these people are willing to take the pill of escaping the illusion of our Matrix. And if you try to reason with them, they treat you like the crazy uncle who's off his meds...But I, and a lot of the rest of you, know better.... They can choose Harris in four years and run her on the identity politics of her being black and female, but it won't be enough because, not only is she not another Obama, but a lot of the voters have learned from the mistake of voting for Obama in 2008 and realizing he was a fraud, leading to them switching to Trump four years ago. Harris is not going to fool those white voters again like Obama did.

I found this most encouraging and informative. [m.youtube.com]

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 9, 2020:

Anyone who thinks Biden can be pushed to the left is either an idiot or deluded, often times both. I don't know about this video being encouraging, since I'm sure almost nobody but us will probably see it. I have never heard about these two people or their media platform, and I try to keep abreast ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 9, 2020:

@WilliamCharles Of course, anyone with a decent amount of skepticism and paying attention can see that most or all of what happens in congress is Kabuki theater between two colluding major parties. But the majority of Americans are rubes who never catch on to the charade.

Covid-19 potential vaccine announced today! Will you take it?

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 9, 2020:

How many people think the vaccine will be affordable or free for those without insurance? Will it be affordable for those with insurance?

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 9, 2020:

@TheMiddleWay Is that the copay with insurance or the price for those without insurance?

I found this most encouraging and informative. [m.youtube.com]

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 9, 2020:

Anyone who thinks Biden can be pushed to the left is either an idiot or deluded, often times both. I don't know about this video being encouraging, since I'm sure almost nobody but us will probably see it. I have never heard about these two people or their media platform, and I try to keep abreast ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 9, 2020:

@WilliamCharles It's clear that, at least in most states, running as progressive rather than a centrist corporate Dem is a winning formula. But what makes you think the DNC, Pelosi, or Schumer really care about having majorities in their congressional bodies?

Covid-19 potential vaccine announced today! Will you take it?

KKGator comments on Nov 9, 2020:

Depends on what my doc says. If I get the okay, I'll be lining up for it. I already get the two-shot shingles vaccine, and my annual flu shot. That said, I'm still going to wear a mask when I'm out.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 9, 2020:

Same here. I have a friend who is a retired surgeon. I'll wait until both him and my primary doc recommend it. Probably wait a few months after it first comes out for mass vaccination. I think those of us that are smart are going to be wearing masks for most of next year when we are around crowds of strangers.

Looks like this group will be around for a while longer at least.

RoboGraham comments on Nov 8, 2020:

Hey Tom, I'm glad you're thinking of the future of the group and you bring up some important things to think about. You were the inspiration for the group, actually, I think it might have been your idea and then I acted on it. Either way, your opinion is important. When I formed the group, I ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

Your approach sounds good to me. Thanks again for setting up the group.

They Are Trying To Silence AOC, Because Money Never Sleeps

RoboGraham comments on Nov 8, 2020:

Let's compare the results of progressives vs moderates.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

@RoboGraham I hope so too. Bernie owes a refund to all of his supporters that donated money to him because he betrayed them again by not running third party. But right now, AOC is clearly putting her future in the Dem Party and if she sticks with them it will turn out no different than with Bernie. I will not fall for it.

They Are Trying To Silence AOC, Because Money Never Sleeps

RoboGraham comments on Nov 8, 2020:

Let's compare the results of progressives vs moderates.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

Support for single payer is a good measuring stick for weeding out the true progressives from the corporate Dems who are Repub lite. It's always been true that when voters have the choice of Repub lite Dem and an actual Repub, they will always vote Red. Too bad the Dem leaders refuse to learn and obey this, that's why the really are a fake opposition party. They really don't care about winning at all costs, like the Repubs always do. The corporate media doesn't even need to bother about muzzling AOC, her own party has that handled. They will never let her get near having any real power in the party as a prez nominee, or a congressional leader for the Dems. Welcome to her being the new Bernie/sheepdog. Like Bernie, the Dems will use her as a poster child for fundraising and increasing voter turnout, but nothing else. Hell, I doubt she will even get to be a committee chair.

How much do you expect "payback" to influence Democrat policy?

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

The Dems do not do scorched earth "payback", that is a Repub trait. If anything, I fully expect that Biden will pardon Trump on any federal charges, if they are even brought against him, after he leaves office. The reason is because, despite all the rhetoric of the Dems against Trump, they are all ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

@TreeSpirit I think the impeachment vote settled any question about whether the Repubs believe in the rule of law. I rest my case. You can bet your ass that next time the Repubs will run someone who is smarter, a better liar, less prone to blurt out idiotic comments, and if the Dem establishment sticks to its decades-old strategy of nominating the usual neoliberal corporatist candidate, the Dems will lose and the Repubs will win, because next time the blacks and Hispanics are not going to bother turning out again like this time. They will ignore the pleas and cries of the Dems and the media about saving democracy, etc. as crying wolf and trying to stir them up about voting without offering them any hope or real change. The Dems got very lucky this time and it won't repeat with the usual candidate. A charming smooth liar like Clinton or Obama only comes along once every couple decades.

Let's hope this is the end of it!

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

Not the end of it by any means, just a four year break until the next cycle. By then the Dems will have betrayed the working class whites again with Biden and then Harris finishing his term, so those voters will ping pong back to give the Repubs a narrow win in 2024 even when the Repubs nominate ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

@fishline79 Don't worry, I'll remember if I'm still alive, this site still exists, and I am still a member. If all that is so, I'm sure someone will remind me if I'm wrong. As far as my comments on the DNC's strategy in four years for the prez election, you can bet the house on it!

Biden Wins! Congrats to the Democrats for electing Biden and Harris! It's been a rocky and ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

Relieved that Trump is going, but sad that liberals will undoubtedly repeat their behavior during the Obama years of going to sleep about America's wars in the Middle East, accepting talk over action on climate change, and not caring about the class war of the 1% against the rest of us. Biden and ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

@Canndue You got that right. That is the disease, as well as racism. Trump was just the latest symptom. Too bad most Americans are too dense and brainwashed from the corporate media to see that.

Biden Wins! Congrats to the Democrats for electing Biden and Harris! It's been a rocky and ...

silverotter11 comments on Nov 8, 2020:

Fact is we are still divided and will do Monday morning quarterbacking for a while and then the SC will hear some cases that may just wrap up the legacy of trump and the gop. Meanwhile thousands of Americans are getting infected with a virus that for many if it don't kill ya can leave you fucked up...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

@LucyLoohoo Personal responsibility is a Repub buzzword and is not enough to fight a pandemic. We need leadership and laws that enforce mask orders and social distancing in public indoor settings. Repubs don't allow personal responsibility for women when it comes to abortion, among other things. So why let them get away with falling back on that when public health is at stake? If they want to risk illness and death for themselves, fine, but if they want to put others at risk, they deserve legal penalties. They do seem to understand and support that in plenty of other areas. Fucking hypocrites...

Biden Wins! Congrats to the Democrats for electing Biden and Harris! It's been a rocky and ...

Krish55 comments on Nov 8, 2020:

Biden is also a promoter of American Imperialism and corporate capitalism. Progressives have to be prepared to resist him.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

I agree and I will be watching and critiquing him from the beginning, but most liberals, not progressives like me, will just go back to sleep while Biden/Harris are in power. Esp. the white suburban liberals, they are the worst. They have nothing at stake to lose with what Biden is likely to do.

It was obvious the fix was in. That POS knew it too.

WilliamCharles comments on Nov 8, 2020:

The ratfvckers denying the ratfvckery taking place are the worst ratfvckers of.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

@WilliamCharles And we will all be paying for it, esp. four years from now.

‘Sleepy Joe’s’ Task Is to Put Liberal America Back to Sleep [consortiumnews.

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

I'll be shocked if the BLM movement doesn't go to sleep, along with the liberals, under a Biden presidency. I remember how Obama crushed the Occupy movement very quietly and stealthily, while increasing the drone killings, selling us out on healthcare reform, and helping Wall Street steal more from ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

@William_Mary He won't. He'll be too busy trying to deal with his legal problems, I hope. What Dem centrists need to realize and pay attention to is the fact that, with the exception of Biden, most Dems did not do well this election against the Repubs, both on the state and national level. The country stayed just about as red as four years ago. What they should take from that is not that Trump's defeat means the Dem's message is working, that the party is making headway with the white working class or any other positive signs. It simply means that Americans, a slim majority, were finally just sick enough of Trump to vote against him, not that they were voting for Dems or Biden because they thought they are much better than Repubs. Biden's win should be recognized more as if his ballot spot read None Of The Above, rather than Biden or Dem Party. But you'll never get a Biden supporter, a centrist Dem, a liberal, or the corporate media to admit any of that.

It was obvious the fix was in. That POS knew it too.

WilliamCharles comments on Nov 8, 2020:

The ratfvckers denying the ratfvckery taking place are the worst ratfvckers of.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

They all worked tirelessly in a united front to kneecap Bernie and then later push Joe over the finish line.

It was obvious the fix was in. That POS knew it too.

WilliamCharles comments on Nov 8, 2020:

Sadly accurate.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

I'm dreading the announcement of Biden's cabinet picks which will, like Obama's, be full of Goldman Sucks folks, health care industry people, and others who will lobby for corporate profits and deregulation of their industries. And watch how the media will not critique any of it while the sheeple ignore the corruption of it. Oops, forgot the military industry contractors that will be appointed. I esp. like the part about white suburban liberals, a group I hate almost as much as Repubs. Every time a Dem gets elected prez, they fall asleep in their comfort and privilege, smugly saying they have once again done their part for the country. And if the poor, the unemployed, the people of Middle East countries or Latin American countries that the US military interferes with, invades, or occupies suffer from that, it's not the liberal's problem. They've got theirs and too bad for anyone who doesn't. Their arrogance and callousness is equal to the Repubs. I get just as angry and unable to stand them as I would talking to a Repub, who would at least admit and own up to their selfishness and callousness.

Joe Biden is now President Elect.

Secretguy comments on Nov 7, 2020:

Maybe not for now, But I think Pete has a good future.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

I think he should pursue a good political future, as a Repub. He is the worst example of identity politics run amok in the Dem Party.

Let's hope this is the end of it!

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

Not the end of it by any means, just a four year break until the next cycle. By then the Dems will have betrayed the working class whites again with Biden and then Harris finishing his term, so those voters will ping pong back to give the Repubs a narrow win in 2024 even when the Repubs nominate ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 8, 2020:

@Paul4747 I never believed Obama either. Time to block.

Biden Wins! Congrats to the Democrats for electing Biden and Harris! It's been a rocky and ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

Relieved that Trump is going, but sad that liberals will undoubtedly repeat their behavior during the Obama years of going to sleep about America's wars in the Middle East, accepting talk over action on climate change, and not caring about the class war of the 1% against the rest of us. Biden and ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@Diagoras They are willing to turn out and vote, but only if two conditions are met by the candidate. One, that the candidate credibly supports programs and policies that clearly benefit young people, as well as others, and that those would directly impact the lives of young people, like min. wage, college debt, etc. Second, that the candidate does not speak in generalities and platitudes, like Biden for example, but offers concrete ideas for what they are going to do, because young people are justifiably cynical about politicians and corporate media. They have seen and heard it all before, so they will not turn out and vote if they think the candidate is saying the usual BS or does not offer their demo any specific improvements. Older people continue to vote out of habit, even if they don't believe it will change anything. Younger people are more interested in other things and will only vote if it's convincingly proven to them that it will matter for their demo group.

Biden Wins! Congrats to the Democrats for electing Biden and Harris! It's been a rocky and ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

Relieved that Trump is going, but sad that liberals will undoubtedly repeat their behavior during the Obama years of going to sleep about America's wars in the Middle East, accepting talk over action on climate change, and not caring about the class war of the 1% against the rest of us. Biden and ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@Diagoras I don't know if I will be alive to see it, but even now the younger people are immune to the whole tactic of red-baiting of progressives by calling them socialist or whatever. While some young people are still easily suckered by appeals to identity politics of steering them to vote based on the candidate's gender, race, etc., just like other voter groups, the young people that do vote based on policy rather than candidate identity do not care about labels like socialist, etc. Those young people judge the candidate on whether they share their values and policy positions, not on what labels the corporate media or party leaders give the policy or the candidate who promotes the policy. In this respect, they are savvier than their elders, who are still easily swayed by party leaders and the corporate media as well as labels. So, even tho I am very disgusted and pessimistic about the future, in this area I am strangely hopeful. These young people were born long after the Soviet Union fell apart and to them the labels communist or socialist seem like ancient myths or legends that are irrelevant to them or even phony lies. They also don't trust the corporate media or establishment elders of either party. Ranked choice voting is like campaign finance reform that would actually solve the money in politics problem. Both major parties know that public financing of all federal campaigns could be easily done and solve the problem, but they will never really support it because it would break the duopoly's stranglehold on the system and allow third parties to win. Same with ranked choice voting. Neither will happen until third parties have enough power to force it, but without either one they probably never will get that power at the fed level of government.

Biden Wins! Congrats to the Democrats for electing Biden and Harris! It's been a rocky and ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

Bah, bah, bleat the stupid sheeple who think Biden will be some great improvement on Trump by fighting class warfare on their behalf, reducing deportations, fighting climate change, eliminating student debt, raising the minimum wage, adding paid sick leave, passing Med4ALL, etc. As John Lennon sang,...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@FreethoughtKaty I am not denying any of the three facts you cited at the end of your comment, but, since you continue to insult me about making the claim that I am more informed, smarter, and more aware than most Americans, I am blocking you. I am simply being honest and justifiably proud about my superiority in certain areas. But since you are being an ass, I will block you, as would most people in my position with you.

Biden Wins! Congrats to the Democrats for electing Biden and Harris! It's been a rocky and ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

Bah, bah, bleat the stupid sheeple who think Biden will be some great improvement on Trump by fighting class warfare on their behalf, reducing deportations, fighting climate change, eliminating student debt, raising the minimum wage, adding paid sick leave, passing Med4ALL, etc. As John Lennon sang,...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@FreethoughtKaty You can think what you like, but I am far more aware than most and most Americans are sheeple. The evidence of the latter is abundant. You don't know me at all and you'll never meet me, so leave it at that. I was reading the newspaper at age 10 and understood all of it. At grade 8 I was reading books at the college level. I am a hell of a lot more informed, intelligent, and aware than most Americans. Believe me or not.

While we were counting the record number of votes, America broke another record: 116,000 confirmed ...

KevinMR comments on Nov 6, 2020:

I think so. I think covid fatigue has taken hold and many people under 50 are tired of living by covid's rules. They're basically saying, if you're old stay home. We can't take it anymore. I don't know to what degree that's true but it's certainly partly true.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@Paul4747 Then I hope she gets infected and dies from it, as long as she doesn't infect anyone else. It's natural for some forms of stupidity to have consequences and our species could use fewer stupid people.

Biden Wins! Congrats to the Democrats for electing Biden and Harris! It's been a rocky and ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

Relieved that Trump is going, but sad that liberals will undoubtedly repeat their behavior during the Obama years of going to sleep about America's wars in the Middle East, accepting talk over action on climate change, and not caring about the class war of the 1% against the rest of us. Biden and ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@DenoPenno I fucking promise it will happen again in four years if the Dems nominate another corrupt corporate neoliberal again then, and yes, Harris qualifies as that, unless by then we have a viable third party that can nominate a well known progressive and get into the general election debates. Right now, I have way more faith in a third party prez candidate getting us out of this than in the Dem party dropping its corporate donors and nominating a progressive. And for those who say a third party could never win, this time around a third of eligible voters sat this election out, about 70 million voters. So if a progressive third party candidate could get those voters excited and hopeful, get into the prez debates, and then pull in even ten million votes away from the Dem candidate, you've got a win the same way Slick Willie did in 1992.

How much do you expect "payback" to influence Democrat policy?

M12bfree comments on Nov 7, 2020:

https://youtu.be/c0LEcLLBJ2s The democrats failure to win this in a landslide is a testament to their utter failure to connect with the working-class or offer any policies to help the millions of people who are suffering in this country. And they don't care. Peoplesparty.org

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

You notice when you watch the vid that the interviewer is really kind of hostile or unfriendly to Dore. That's why I don't watch RT. You can see the interviewer has an agenda and is constantly trying to put words into Jimmy Dore's mouth or get a particular response from him. Jimmy doesn't fall for it, but the guy is clearly trying to get Dore to bash Trump or give Biden props rather than criticize Biden or say Biden is worse than Trump on anything.

Biden declared projected victory. Congratulations America!!!☀️☀️☀️

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

I feel only relief rather than joy, because I know how lame, corrupt, and status quo Biden will be, but seeing Trump leave will be the best thing since Nixon had to resign.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@Triphid So, asshole, you want a block or not?

Biden declared projected victory. Congratulations America!!!☀️☀️☀️

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

I feel only relief rather than joy, because I know how lame, corrupt, and status quo Biden will be, but seeing Trump leave will be the best thing since Nixon had to resign.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@Triphid You get the point, you overreact..

Biden declared projected victory. Congratulations America!!!☀️☀️☀️

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

I feel only relief rather than joy, because I know how lame, corrupt, and status quo Biden will be, but seeing Trump leave will be the best thing since Nixon had to resign.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@Triphid Mis typed. Biden is less dangerous than Trump, but..... You need less caffeine...

Biden declared projected victory. Congratulations America!!!☀️☀️☀️

Triphid comments on Nov 7, 2020:

YEA, the King of Fools and Clowns is gone, no more rants and raves, no more seeing his ugly twisted face on news bulletins. I hope for the sake of ALL decent Americans that Biden decides NOT to give that rank, egotistical, self-absorbed, spoiled little brat a Presidential Pardon that he DOES NOT ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

I will be shocked if Biden does not pardon Trump and then excuse with the same bullshit as Obama about how "We have to move forward", etc.

Biden declared projected victory. Congratulations America!!!☀️☀️☀️

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 7, 2020:

I feel only relief rather than joy, because I know how lame, corrupt, and status quo Biden will be, but seeing Trump leave will be the best thing since Nixon had to resign.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@Triphid Biden is less dangerous than Trump, but I'm not dumb enough to think Biden will be that much of an improvement on policies. Policies always matter the most to me, more than character or personality. LBJ was an devious SOB, but he did more good for the working class, the poor, and minorities than any prez after him.

Pat Robertson to Pregnant Woman: Give Baby Up for Adoption and Dump Boyfriend | Beth Stoneburner | ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 6, 2020:

I've got an even better idea. If Robertson is so keen on adoption, why doesn't he adopt the baby? I'm sure he has the bucks to spend on it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 7, 2020:

@JeffMurray Sheesh, you must be a lot of fun at parties...

Pat Robertson to Pregnant Woman: Give Baby Up for Adoption and Dump Boyfriend | Beth Stoneburner | ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 6, 2020:

I've got an even better idea. If Robertson is so keen on adoption, why doesn't he adopt the baby? I'm sure he has the bucks to spend on it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 6, 2020:

@JeffMurray Don't think I agree with that last phrase about choice. We all have free will and I don't believe in determinism. We always have choices in what we do, even if sometimes the only ones available are bad ones. We can always decide to choose the one involving the least harm to others.

Why wasn't there a landslide: [theguardian.com]

Canndue comments on Nov 6, 2020:

I feel Most voted to oust trump, not to support Biden. Nation is fed up with neoliberalism, which gave rise to trump, which is even worse. It’s amazing how the DNC is stuck in that mode.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 6, 2020:

The DNC and establishment Dem pols do not want to offer something better than Trump to working class voters on the economic issues that really matter to those voters. Why? Because it would anger their corporate and fat cat rich donors. The donors matter, working class voters don't. The Dems can only con and ignore those working class voters and win when they have an exceptionally skilled liar with a convincing working class identity with those voters, like Obama and Slick Willie did. But they can't count on those types coming along every cycle, because they don't.

Pat Robertson to Pregnant Woman: Give Baby Up for Adoption and Dump Boyfriend | Beth Stoneburner | ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 6, 2020:

I've got an even better idea. If Robertson is so keen on adoption, why doesn't he adopt the baby? I'm sure he has the bucks to spend on it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 6, 2020:

@JeffMurray Overall, I don't feel that way about myself, but there are some days that I feel like the hulking guy in The Green Mile, that I feel so tired of living in this world.

Pat Robertson to Pregnant Woman: Give Baby Up for Adoption and Dump Boyfriend | Beth Stoneburner | ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 6, 2020:

I've got an even better idea. If Robertson is so keen on adoption, why doesn't he adopt the baby? I'm sure he has the bucks to spend on it.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 6, 2020:

@LucyLoohoo I was being sarcastic, as well as calling out Robertson's hypocrisy on advocating adoption over abortion, as long as people like him are not obligated to back it up by personally adopting the unwanted kids.

So Happy It’s Thursday.

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 5, 2020:

You are one freckled kid. Where's you grow up, Australia?

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 5, 2020:

@GwenBFree Sheesh. That is hardly the sunbelt..

Heckuva job, DNC. /s

Hages comments on Nov 4, 2020:

The Gravel Institute is right. Maybe they could make a video about the history of the Democratic Party and how it has failed working people for decades.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 5, 2020:

@Hages The difference between Trump and Bernie is that Bernie actually cares about changing the system from being rigged. Trump doesn't care about doing that. Like Obama, he just lies to people about what he would do if elected. Like Obama, people believed him. Trump won last time because working class people were desperate to believe someone would help them and Hillary did not even say she would help them, so they took their chances with Trump and believed him. If Biden wins, and does nothing to help the working class against the system, which is what I expect from him, those people will again feel betrayed and pissed off, which will set up another Repub demagoge running in four years as a populist and winning, as once again the Dems will run a neoliberal instead of a progressive. Rinse, lather, repeat...

Heckuva job, DNC. /s

Zoltans_Queen comments on Nov 4, 2020:

There's still hope! They are counting the mail in ballots in Michigan and Pennsylvania. But I think you're right that it shouldn't be this close. I think if it had of been someone other than Biden, we would be in a much better position right now.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

@RoboGraham That has long been my dream as well. But the older I get, the less likely it seems that it will ever happen before I die. I've seen so many attempts at it during my life, but they have always failed. When you combine people's feelings of demoralization combined with the mass media constantly working against it, it's not surprising that the movements fail. Occupy was one of the last and best ones that failed.

Tweet from Ben Shapiro

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 4, 2020:

Who is Shapiro?

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

@Hages I don't bother much with listening to conservative or Repub commentators, because they are usually like a broken clock, being right twice a day and only when they feel that being truthful will serve some other agenda they have up their sleeve. They share none of my values or goals, so why should I listen to them?

Heckuva job, DNC. /s

prometheus comments on Nov 4, 2020:

More a massive indictment of the American people. A huge moral and intellectual failing. Or maybe somewhere someone calculated the civil war that would be caused by Trump losing would have cased more deaths than COVID through 2021. So they pulled the switch to have more virus deaths and fewer...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

Unfortunately, most Americans are either brainless idiots or sheeple.

Heckuva job, DNC. /s

Zoltans_Queen comments on Nov 4, 2020:

There's still hope! They are counting the mail in ballots in Michigan and Pennsylvania. But I think you're right that it shouldn't be this close. I think if it had of been someone other than Biden, we would be in a much better position right now.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen The whole "a socialist can't win" is just self-fulfilling propaganda from the DNC and the corporate media because they are secretly terrified of one winning. And unfortunately, most Americans are sheeple that fall for it. How would anyone really know? We haven't had a progressive Dem nominated for prez since 1972 with McGovern, and a lot has happened since then. Voters, esp, younger people, don't really care that much about labels like socialist or moderate. They care more about the candidate's policies. And opinion surveys consistently show that voters support the kind of socialist or progressive policies that Bernie promoted. So the "Can't win" argument is phony and dishonest. The whole " electability" argument is used every time against progressives by the DNC and corporate media to kneecap progressive candidates. But the funny thing is that some of them continue to win anyway, so it proves that the argument is phony when they say they can't ever win.

Heckuva job, DNC. /s

Zoltans_Queen comments on Nov 4, 2020:

There's still hope! They are counting the mail in ballots in Michigan and Pennsylvania. But I think you're right that it shouldn't be this close. I think if it had of been someone other than Biden, we would be in a much better position right now.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen You make two excellent points. One, is that working class people will vote for whoever says they will offer them something better than the status quo, even if (as in Trump's case) the offer is a lie. Biden and Hillary offered no improvement on the status quo, so most working class people decide to take their chances with Trump and vote for him. The other thing is that neither party even talks about poor people anymore or offers them anything to vote for economically, so the poor just sit out the election every time for the last couple decades. And why shouldn't they? I'd bet my life that the poor make up the vast majority of eligible non-voters. But the Dem leaders don't want to offer those poor non-voters anything because it would anger their big donors, the rich and corporations. Hell, they don't even give a damn about the unions anymore because the unions donate peanuts compared to the corporate and fat cat donors for the Dems. The Dems could win in a landslide with someone like Bernie as the nominee with all the poor non-voters that would turn out for him. But the Dems don't care about winning, just about keeping their corporate and rich fuck donors. So they continue the strategy of losing and hoping to win a razor thin victory by threading the needle each time with only votes from the middle class, a group that is becoming smaller and closer to extinction each year. The Dems get too much money from health care industry groups, so they don't want to offer M4all or single payer. They lucked out with Obama as a candidate because he was so charismatic and smart that people voted for him out of fatigue with W. and because he was also one of the smoothest liars in a generation. Hillary and Biden don't even come close to him on charisma and lying ability, so they lose.

Finish the sentence: America is a...

TomMcGiverin comments on Nov 3, 2020:

A plutocracy inhabited by an idiocracy of much of the voting electorate resulting in a system that pretends to be a democracy.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

@Hages We do. Plutocracy and that are pretty much the same thing.

I just came here count the liberal tears.

Pedrohbds comments on Nov 4, 2020:

So at least post in the correct section of politics...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

@BD66 Wouldn't know it from your behavior here...

Heckuva job, DNC. /s

Zoltans_Queen comments on Nov 4, 2020:

There's still hope! They are counting the mail in ballots in Michigan and Pennsylvania. But I think you're right that it shouldn't be this close. I think if it had of been someone other than Biden, we would be in a much better position right now.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

@Zoltans_Queen Most people who would vote for a Dem don't want a return to normal, as in a repeat of Obama. They want an improvement on Obama instead of the lies about hope and change Obama offered. If Bernie was the nominee, not only would there be more excitement and enthusiasm, but there would also be tens of millions of poor and working class white people who currently DON'T vote (but are eligible voters) but WOULD vote for Bernie because he would offer them something other than not being Trump and a return to the lack of change under Obama. But the DNC doesn't care about that or winning the White House. All they care about is maintaining neoliberal economic policies and endless wars for empire and oil. We need a new party that actually represents the 99%. The Movement For A People's Party appears to be our best chance.

Heckuva job, DNC. /s

Hages comments on Nov 4, 2020:

The Gravel Institute is right. Maybe they could make a video about the history of the Democratic Party and how it has failed working people for decades.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

The Dem Party threw working people under the bus after the 1988 election, about the same time the DLC was created. The latter group succeeded in making the party totally about serving corporations and getting their campaign donations. The group succeeded so well that it was dissolved after Obama was elected.

Heckuva job, DNC. /s

RoboGraham comments on Nov 4, 2020:

Looks like the same failed strategy of running a neoliberal from the Obama administration who has a lot of political baggage and isn't running on popular policy wasn't the slam dunk they were hoping for. Who could have seen that coming?

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

I know you're being sarcastic here, but I, for one, sure saw it coming. In fact, I bet this would happen and will win a steak dinner out of it.

Heckuva job, DNC. /s

Zoltans_Queen comments on Nov 4, 2020:

There's still hope! They are counting the mail in ballots in Michigan and Pennsylvania. But I think you're right that it shouldn't be this close. I think if it had of been someone other than Biden, we would be in a much better position right now.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

Even tho the corporate media would have all been against him, I still say that if Bernie had been the nominee, this would have been a landslide. But the DNC would rather lose with a corrupt corporate centrist than win with a progressive. Their strategy of doing this the last two times is not working, but they don't care, so they won't change their policy on this.

I just came here count the liberal tears.

Pedrohbds comments on Nov 4, 2020:

So at least post in the correct section of politics...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

@BD66 Asshole... I'll bet that if you ever played sports, you're the kind of guy that could never resist trash talking and taunting..

I just came here count the liberal tears.

Deb57 comments on Nov 4, 2020:

Thanks for removing all doubt that the hate is, actually, the point.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

Always leave it to a Repub to win or lose without showing any class...

I just came here count the liberal tears.

Charles1971 comments on Nov 4, 2020:

When there's a real chance that a pathological liar, racist, bigot, adulterer, crook who has spent the last four years dividing this country, alienating our allies, and doing nothing to help the middle class or poor might get re-elected for four more years... yea... some of us have tears of anger....

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 4, 2020:

In my case, I would call it tears of rage, rather than tears of anger..

I already know who is going to win the election today go ahead and ask me the answer is simple.

tinkercreek comments on Nov 3, 2020:

I'll just wait here.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 3, 2020:

@azzow2 As Hannibal Lecter said to Clarice, " Your problem is, you need to have more fun in your life"..

Greenwald’s Intercept Resignation Exposes The Rot In All Mass Media Well Glen finally reacted ...

BitFlipper comments on Nov 2, 2020:

Are you suggesting that there was a time that mass media wasn't compromised?

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 3, 2020:

@William_Mary Mass media in the US was way more fair and balanced before the 1980s. But after that the huge amount of monopolization in media sources, combined with the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, meant that alternative viewpoints on the left were pretty well marginalized and eliminated. Anybody remember labor news being covered as a regular part of the business news? I do, it was a dedicated part of it back in the 60s and 70s. The media also gave plenty of coverage and detailed stories about trade deals. Nowadays there is nothing about it the vast majority of newspapers, even tho it's a huge thing impacting everyone's life. But nowadays, trade deals are a hush hush secret that the peasants are not supposed to hear about.

Greenwald’s Intercept Resignation Exposes The Rot In All Mass Media Well Glen finally reacted ...

Piece2YourPuzzle comments on Nov 1, 2020:

There are a lot of people out there that think Glenn Greenwald is the hack and someone like Rachel Maddow is the great journalist. 90+% of mainstream media is owned by 6 corporations, and they're working on the other 10% or so lol. Also, there is a portion of the 10% that are just batshit crazy ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 3, 2020:

Anyone who has doubts that taking big bucks from corporations or fat cat donors corrupts a news source just has to look at what happened to NPR since they began accepting corporate "underwriting" as in advertising, for their programs. Nowadays their reporting and commentary on news and politics are no different than CNN.

Drew and Sharon Discuss Men

Deb57 comments on Oct 27, 2020:

Sharon Stone was very tactful and charitable with her wording, and I agree with her 100%. Shortly after my divorce I did a coffee date with an old classmate. I explained I was not eager to jump into a relationship and, knowing he was religious, was very frank about my atheism. He assured me he ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 3, 2020:

@thinkwithme I like your wicked humor about the dating game and married men. You tell it like it is and are nobody's fool. That is admirable.

Do girls date guys that are fat

BitFlipper comments on Oct 26, 2020:

Of course! Fat girls date fat guys. It has long been an issue for women to feel objectified and valued only for their "looks". But now women are demanding perfection from men. And they spell it out clearly in their dating profiles, whereas men would be admonished for doing the same.

TomMcGiverin replies on Nov 3, 2020:

In other words, you are observing some hypocrisy on the part of women on dating sites. I am so shocked, shocked I tell you, to hear that....