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Join us in our sing along This is the way they cull the herd Cull the herd Cull the herd ...

motrubl4u comments on Apr 12, 2020:

Let em die and their fictional god can sort them out.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 12, 2020:

That's what some of the soldiers said in Vietnam, Kill 'em all and let God sort out the mistakes...

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TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 9, 2020:

It's all lip service and a con to get some of Bernie's more naive supporters to vote for Biden. Doesn't matter at all as most of us will see thru it and Biden will be replaced anyway in August at the convention. Whoever replaces him as the nominee will have no intention of pushing for any of ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 12, 2020:

@yvilletom Bernie's main fault, as I now see it, is that he is too nice and not ruthless enough. Otherwise he would have dropped his " my good friend Joe Biden" stuff a long time ago and went after Joe's record when it would have done Bernie some good.

There are churches which care about their parishioners and communities, like the one across the ...

IrishTxJudy comments on Apr 11, 2020:

No one would consider me a spiteful person, but with these churches that think it’s infringing on their rights to worship together, there’s a part of me that thinks. “You know let them. Maybe this will thin the herd.” But then I think, “ what about the people they infect who aren’t ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 11, 2020:

That's the thing, Judy, they will infect others who are not religious idiots when they go to the store or end up seeking medical care, people who are innocent and have no choice but to risk being around them.

Have we here in Agnostic got ANY right to tell other people what they SHOULD do in any situation?

Deb57 comments on Apr 10, 2020:

You can't make anybody do anything. There will always be those who will do the exact opposite of what they "should" do out of stubbornness or spite. We're watching it happen on a national level right now. As much as my heart aches for the innocents who will suffer and die in the crossfire, we may ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 11, 2020:

Thinning the herd, where the more intelligent survive....The rich will mostly survive because they can afford servants to go fetch for them and risk infection, as well as having everything delivered and brought in by servants. Unlike us, they can also get tested anytime they want. Most of them have probably left the US in their yachts and private planes to somewhere safe where they can wait this out in isolation.

Have we here in Agnostic got ANY right to tell other people what they SHOULD do in any situation?

Larry-new comments on Apr 10, 2020:

You Should..Stay the hell off my lawn.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 11, 2020:

@ForTheBirds Is that Joan Crawford, aka, Mommie Dearest? She definitely had a bitchface..

It's obvious that the bail out has its favorites again this time.

RoboGraham comments on Apr 11, 2020:

The answer to that question is relatively simple- they spent enormous sums of money buying the politicians who decide how the bailout money is distributed and you didn't. They don't need to concern themselves with being responsible with their money as we do because when the shit hits the fan, ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 11, 2020:

That's what MLK said, socialism for the rich, capitalism (of the most brutal and cruel sort) for the rest of us.

It still amazes me that Americans who spend so much time and energy on politics do not understand ...

Storm1752 comments on Apr 11, 2020:

The "youth" don't vote, usually, so it doesn't matter. I can never get over this inference Biden has to "earn" their vote. Like Obama "earned" the black vote? Like Hillary "earned" the female vote? Are they expecting Biden to become someone else to kiss up to them? Voting is a right AND a ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 11, 2020:

The New Deal has already been dismantled and the corporate Dems helped the Repubs in doing it.

Pretty much.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 10, 2020:

"Go vote for someone else." ~ Joe Biden

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 11, 2020:

They are too dense to see their hypocrisy.

It’s about the long term...

Allamanda comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Or perhaps, It was about the longterm 30 years ago, now we have arrived.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@Allamanda I am that old and was 14 at the time. I remember how bummed I was about being 4 years too young to cast my first vote for a prez.

I need a pint of Ben & Jerry's Chubby Hubby and an evening bingeing 'Drunk History'.

Petter comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Due to lockdown restrictions, the only ones of the latter currently available are delivered by Amazon. Don't forget to order the air pump to inflate your nerdy dude*!* 🤣🤣

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@indelible Good for you. I was starting to imagine a gender reversal of Lars And The Real Girl...

another week or two gone. has anyone picked up a new hobby or habit during the shutdown?

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Nope. Just staying at home and getting bored. Going outside for an exercise walk when it's warm enough.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@Donna_I Neither Trump or Reynolds would support spending that money for it. Without testing tens of millions Americans, starting with health care workers and those who are still working BEFORE any lifting of social distancing, the government would be acting recklessly and we would lose tens of thousands more lives, not that most Repub pols would care...

Pretty much.

Varn comments on Apr 10, 2020:

...you’d best start courting yourself, then..

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@WilliamCharles That's because the DNC doesn't really care about winning in Nov. , whether it's with Biden or who they replace him with. Maybe Varn doesn't get that, but most of us do...

It’s about the long term...

RoboGraham comments on Apr 10, 2020:

I just heard that Biden is promising to lower the age for Medicare by 5 years and to relieve some student debt. That's good news but nothing close to far enough to get us onboard. If we except the crumbs that they offer us after screwing us during the primary each election cycle, the window ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

Those crumbs offered to progressives aren't even real. If Biden or any other centrist corporate Dem who replaces him were to somehow get elected in Nov., you could bet the house on it that none of Bernie's policies or these crumbs would be pushed by the Dem prez winner. Remember how Obama promised cardcheck for union members? He didn't even push for that, a very simple bill that would have really helped unions by making organizing so much easier, even tho he had a supermajority when he was elected. Guess he changed his mind when the Repubs didn't offer any bipartisan support, not that he needed it. No, the real reason was that he was already bought by big business even tho he lied during the campaign about how he was going to support unions and walk picket lines with them. Barry, the liar.. Intelligent Bernie supporters won't take this fake bait from Biden..

In the UK, a woman supporting the opposition party to Boris Johnson's government commented on ...

jlynn37 comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Sometimes it is prudent to just keep your thoughts to yourself. Free thought is always protected. Well, maybe not for jebus.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

It is so far, but I will not be surprised if we reach Orwell's 1984 while I am alive where we have our own Thought Police like he wrote about.

In the UK, a woman supporting the opposition party to Boris Johnson's government commented on ...

Marionville comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Agree...it also comes with an expectation of good judgement, something she showed she was sadly lacking in, but which we expect our elected representatives to have.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

There is no legal requirement to use good judgement when spouting off in public, as long as it doesn't rise to the level of libel or slander, in which case you could get sued and lose some money. Otherwise, not using good judgement will only cost you maybe a job and the friendship and/or goodwill of others.

In the UK, a woman supporting the opposition party to Boris Johnson's government commented on ...

kmaz comments on Apr 10, 2020:

"....Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction...." I don't know if your definition of free speech is characteristic of or based on some widespread ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

Here in the US, most states have at-will employment laws and the federal government also does not protect workers from being fired for any reason or no reason at all. So for all practical purposes, most Americans do not have freedom of speech if they depend on an employer for their income.

It’s about the long term...

Allamanda comments on Apr 10, 2020:

Or perhaps, It was about the longterm 30 years ago, now we have arrived.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

It's been going on a lot longer than 30 years. Try 58 years....

In the UK, a woman supporting the opposition party to Boris Johnson's government commented on ...

Jetty comments on Apr 10, 2020:

I'm inclined to agree based on the notion that one should take responsibility for one's own action and suffer the consequences, and that "action" includes a verbal action, i.e., speech. Having said that, I'm not sure if taking the membership and job away from the woman was an appropriate ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 10, 2020:

@Jetty In her case, apparently it wasn't enough. Personally, I think it's petty and spiteful to fire someone over a political disagreement, but then again, in my experience most bosses enjoy being petty tyrants and dictators, so I'm not surprised. As far as her being kicked out of her political party, I'd say that is fair.

Appropriate meme for these times:

dalefvictor comments on Apr 9, 2020:

Why can't people do this?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@dalefvictor You have described, in a very basic and human to human level, what socialism is based in. Namely, that we are all human and have value to each other. Hence, we all deserve to have our basic needs met by the society if we cannot meet them thru capitalism. That all human lives deserve dignity and respect and have value that is not based on economic efficiency or profit as the top priority.

Now that Bernie's out, Joe Biden is the D nom for President in 2020! We're fucked.

MarkiusMahamius comments on Apr 9, 2020:

You think the DNC and Biden is the difference between fucked and not-fucked?

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

Trump and anyone that the DNC eventually picks to replace him as the nominee amount to Tweedledee and Tweedledum....Neither one is going to help anyone but the rich and big business recover their losses from this crisis. Neither Trump nor the corporate Dems care about the deaths of peasants from this virus. We are just an expendable population that they exploit for profit and labor while we have money to spend and enough health to work. After we no longer have either of those, we are just an entitlement program expense that they do not want to help pay for, so having us die early once we are retired is a bonus for them.

Americans Prefer Lip Service to Action Well, America - we're now finally "once again" down to ...

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 9, 2020:

Sad that only comedians, like Carlin and Lenny Bruce, can tell the truth about America, because the media censors anyone from telling the truth in our news and info.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@dan325 Unfortunately you are right. Half of our voting citizens are rubes..

Now that Bernie's out, Joe Biden is the D nom for President in 2020! We're fucked.

Bobbyzen comments on Apr 9, 2020:

It’s truly disheartening that the only voice of reason is out of the race. Biden hasn’t a prayer against Trump. There was speculation that once Joe became the presumptive nominee, the DNC would declare Biden unable to run (dementia or like) and put up a different candidate. But that’s sheer ...

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

I don't think it's conspiracy theory. Biden is not going to last thru the election. His mind is so far gone he couldn't have handled another debate with Bernie. He will be replaced before the general election by the DNC, now that Bernie is out of the race, which is what the DNC's real goal was. If Biden is not replaced, then everybody will finally see that the DNC's real goal was to stop Bernie, not to win in Nov..I believe that is the truth about the DNC and if they don't replace him with a better candidate who is not dementia-impaired, then we will know they never intended to win against Trump. I expect the nominee will eventually be another corporate hack, as you say. Right now it's hard to say who the DNC will pick. Could be Cuomo, Warren, or possibly one of the other primary candidates who already dropped out. Regardless of who is selected, I think Trump will win, so we agree on that at least. His mishandling of the crisis and the collapse of the economy don't seem to be hurting him in polls, so he seems to be getting the same kind of boost in a crisis, popularity-wise, that W got with 911.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

Dancing comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Get behind Biden? Hahaha. No. This is a worse choice than Hillary. We are screwed.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@Paul4747 Sure. someone like Clinton. A president who promoted and signed NAFTA. A president who ended welfare for millions of people who still needed it... I could go on about our first DLC president who began repealing the New Deal while selling out to corporate America and catering to the rich.You are delusional in what you are willing to settle for with the system.

another week or two gone. has anyone picked up a new hobby or habit during the shutdown?

TomMcGiverin comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Nope. Just staying at home and getting bored. Going outside for an exercise walk when it's warm enough.

TomMcGiverin replies on Apr 9, 2020:

@Donna_I Iowa needs to have widespread testing on demand, but neither the state or Trump are willing to pay for it.

Bernie Sanders: "I Quit, But I Don't Quit"

towkneed comments on Apr 8, 2020:

Wow. I really hate Trump. More than Biden, I guess. But it's stuff like this, telling people to just hold their nose, that makes others want to punch theirs. Your assumption that all Sanders supporters should automatically vote for Biden shows a brazen disregard for any kind of three dimensional...