Thoughts on the Bernie/Warren kerfuffle?

BitFlipper comments on Jan 18, 2020:

It's blown way out of proportion by the media in order to benefit the trump crime syndicate. If you read what was actually said, and not the hype, it's no big deal. But Bernie's dedicated kamikazes cannot tolerate anything that makes their guy seem like a mortal earthling.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 18, 2020:

The "big deal" in my mind was the brazen attempt at kneecapping Bernie. It's right out of the Clinton playbook, which only reinforces my impression that Warren is Hillary 2.0 with a Bernie mask (I saw one wag refer to her as "Hillary 1.5")

Thoughts on the Bernie/Warren kerfuffle?

racocn8 comments on Jan 18, 2020:

What Bernie may have said may well have been true. Trump is president because women didn't vote for Hillary, and surely many men too. It is unfortunate that sexual bias is an issue to be reckoned with, even more crucially when trying to unseat Trump. No shame should accrue to Sanders for stating a ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 18, 2020:

Another aspect I find puzzling (hypocritical, actually) about the question of gender bias/misogyny, is that the same people I've encountered berating anyone that did not support Clinton as sexist above all else regularly crap on Tulsi Gabbard, Jill Stein, Marianne Williamson, etc. They reserve the right for themselves to argue that these other women are not any of them the "right" woman and therefore support of them cannot be a defense against misogyny as they had no chance of winning. As I recall, Bernie supporters such as myself, pointed out the conerns of Clinton's electability vs Bernie's on her merits, particularly in light of anti-establishment populism that was also fueling much of Trump's following. Remember we were talking about the Democratic base. Clinton in her primary against Obama worried about if nominating a black man was a bridge too far. But this should not be the focus of any calculation in this regard. It will never be "the time" to break through barriers if the niggling worry is that it is "too soon." In the specious smears against Jeremy Corbyn were the supposed anti-Semitism of his Labour party, why isn't there a kneejerk reaction that those opposing Bernie are anti-Semitic (though for some that might be the reason)? Because you at least have to start out with the proposition that we need to judge political candidates above all else on their actual merits. Joe Biden is being pushed as the safe, "nice guy" choice, but to counter that with creepy, boundary crossing, hair sniffing observations, or his part in failed centrist policies, you're pilloried as somehow pro-Trump. You can also not support Pete Buttigieg as president without being adverse to a gay candidate. You'd think this was self-evident, but some don't allow for that same sensibility for a female candidate. If one can reject Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat from the presidency, one can also have reasons to reject Clinton, or Warren, or Harris, or Klobuchar, or Gabbard, that have nothing to do with their gender. Jimmy Dore has done some good segments on the sexism question, which I'll link later.

Abby Martin is an exceptionally courageous and talented truthteller.

davers comments on Jan 4, 2020:

And you're surprised by this!

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 18, 2020:

@morlll I think it takes anyone awhile to see just how much misinformation/disinformation we're subjected to as well as the extent the lies are promulgated. What's surprising to me is how much some people still believe them once they've been unmasked.

Thoughts on the Bernie/Warren kerfuffle?

RoboGraham comments on Jan 17, 2020:

If Bernie really said it close to two years ago, why is her campaign bringing it up just now? Coincidentally just a few weeks before Iowa. Everything was good between them this whole time but suddenly he is a sexist and she refuses to shake his hand on stage? He allegedly said this a long while ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 17, 2020:

Yeah, seems pretty transparent to me as well. It was an attempted hit.

“Among those I like or admire, I can find no common denominator, but among those whom I love, I ...

WilliamCharles comments on Jan 14, 2020:

When I saw the truncated line in the preview, I thought the rest of it was going to be about the common denominator of who they hate. Great quote, regardless. So now that's got me thinking. What *would* be a common denominator of those we dislike? For me, I think somewhere at the top would be a ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 14, 2020:

@Marionville - Quite true. It's an evolutionary trait we often supress or choose to ignore these days. That hair tingling on the back of your neck was actually quite a useful barometer at one time with regards to your survival and well being.

Why Bernie, Not Warren (Definitely worth reading)

TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 11, 2020:

I totally agree. Warren not only isn't as progressive as Bernie, she's also not as trustworthy. On top of that, as a man, I am well aware of how most men think, esp. blue collar men. The last kind of female candidate they would vote for is someone like her who comes off like a schoolmarm. She would ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 11, 2020:

It still sticks in my craw being banned here for not genuflecting sufficiently at the altar of Madam Pantsuit in 2016. They hate Bernie and never miss an opportunity to trash him, and still insist that his base are a bunch of misogynist Bernie Bros. The are the same VSPs (Very Serious People) who insisted Hillary didn't need to appeal to progressives to win (though declared those same progressives responsible for her loss). https://www.balloon-juice.com/2020/01/11/saturday-morning-open-thread-nevertheless-she-persisted/

Why Bernie, Not Warren (Definitely worth reading)

TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 11, 2020:

I totally agree. Warren not only isn't as progressive as Bernie, she's also not as trustworthy. On top of that, as a man, I am well aware of how most men think, esp. blue collar men. The last kind of female candidate they would vote for is someone like her who comes off like a schoolmarm. She would ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 11, 2020:

I agree wholeheartedly. Been having a discussion elsewhere over those same observations. People that insist that it's undeniably sexism for not supporting her (same ones who insisted a resistance to Hillary was also based on nothing more than her gender) reserve the right for themselves to bash Tulsi Gabbard, or Marianne Williamson, or Jill Stein, or Sarah Palin. If Warren felt her positions are closer to Bernie's, not endorsing him in 2016 sure felt like a betrayal.

The bounty on the Mango Manchild's head is currently $80m.

SKH78 comments on Jan 6, 2020:

Mango manchild .... by goddess, that's a good one !! The Scots call him "Cheeto faced, tiny fingered, ferret wearing shit gibbon" ... but I like Mango Manchild even better .... even better than President Agent Orange.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 11, 2020:

@henthabox Too late to edit "pround" though. Damn.

“We're all going to die, all of us, what a circus! That alone should make us love each other but ...

Freedompath comments on Jan 9, 2020:

I can say that nothing in today’s life is ‘trivial,’ we are heading toward a day of reckoning at break neck speed! I wish I didn’t worry about all the people that I will never know, that are about to be annihilated! I can only die once, but it is killing me by degrees about the lives that ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 11, 2020:

@callmedubious MISC? I know of the MIC.

“We're all going to die, all of us, what a circus! That alone should make us love each other but ...

Freedompath comments on Jan 9, 2020:

I can say that nothing in today’s life is ‘trivial,’ we are heading toward a day of reckoning at break neck speed! I wish I didn’t worry about all the people that I will never know, that are about to be annihilated! I can only die once, but it is killing me by degrees about the lives that ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 9, 2020:

"It is now highly feasible to take care of everybody on Earth at a higher standard of living than any have ever known. It no longer has to be you or me. Selfishness is unnecessary. War is obsolete. It is a matter of converting our high technology from Weaponry to Livingry." (Buckminster Fuller)

"Our task over the next few generations is to transform the world of independent states in which we ...

yvilletom comments on Jan 8, 2020:

Did WC intend Dyer’s remark for the Quotes group?

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 8, 2020:

Yes. Thx. Just saw that. My tablet often shifts the position of the screen just before hitting my selection.

Shit.

Geoffrey51 comments on Jan 6, 2020:

Good luck and bad luck sounds like a conspiracy from somewhere!

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 6, 2020:

"If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all." 😄

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." H. L. Mencken

Cutiebeauty comments on Jan 6, 2020:

Yes they did

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 6, 2020:

I'm sure there are counterexamples. What would yours be?

The bounty on the Mango Manchild's head is currently $80m.

SKH78 comments on Jan 6, 2020:

Mango manchild .... by goddess, that's a good one !! The Scots call him "Cheeto faced, tiny fingered, ferret wearing shit gibbon" ... but I like Mango Manchild even better .... even better than President Agent Orange.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 6, 2020:

There's so many that are simply perfect. A few personal favorites are the Cheeto Benito, the Hair Fuhrer, and Twitler. I'm pround to say that the Mango Manchild is my own creation.

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to ...

IamNobody comments on Jan 6, 2020:

My own interpretation on this Sagan passage from his book, is that he is talking about ignorance created by religious beliefs.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 6, 2020:

True, but the dynamic is much more far reaching in my opinion.

'A Face In the Crowd' and the Unfulfilled Prediction of a Better America

TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 4, 2020:

I agree, half, if not most Americans, are gullible suckers.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 4, 2020:

@yvilletom Was using it in the sense of what passes as the prevailing accepted narrative. Possibly a better, more precise term is available.

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it ...

bobwjr comments on Jan 4, 2020:

Sometimes not always successful

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 4, 2020:

Unfortunately quite true. For some it likely only reinforces their prejudices.

I remember a line from a mob movie (I think it was Ray Liotta's voiceover in Goodfellas).

powder comments on Jan 4, 2020:

Plus stand over tactics and extortion, bribing others for "influence", demanding protection money, running drugs and weapons. Mafia would be proud.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 4, 2020:

No source for the quote but it's still most relevant. "Government is the most successful form of banditry."

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it ...

JackPedigo comments on Jan 4, 2020:

Unfortunately, only partially true. Ever heard of the "ugly American." I have seen a lot of them while traveling. I have also seen ugly travelers from other countries. I am a member of a travel group, Servas Int'l. One can host or travel. It costs nothing to stay with others. The purpose of the ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 4, 2020:

Thanks for that insight. Sounds like an exceptional organization.

'A Face In the Crowd' and the Unfulfilled Prediction of a Better America

TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 4, 2020:

I agree, half, if not most Americans, are gullible suckers.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 4, 2020:

Sadly accurate. While any of us can be manipulated on various levels, there are those seemingly impervious to facts and reality as revealed. It's why I find Hitler's observation on crafting effective propaganda so chilling. He stated (paraphrased) don't worry about the intellegisia (smart people in general for the most part), there are not enough of them to matter. Anytime I see poll numbers defying imagination of the national mindset towards a given issue built on entirely on fabrications drummed into the collective consciousness incessantly... I wince and think of just how right he was.

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it ...

Marionville comments on Jan 4, 2020:

Such a sage!

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 4, 2020:

Was quite moved by a bio I saw of him where you got a feel for his "second act" as it were (his extricating himself from crushing debt from fraud and bad investments by going on the lecture circuit). It was heartening to see the deep love people had for him... and his reaction to it.

Abby Martin is an exceptionally courageous and talented truthteller.

davers comments on Jan 4, 2020:

And you're surprised by this!

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 4, 2020:

Which part... Abby, or the endless lies?

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it ...

Allamanda comments on Jan 4, 2020:

my favourite!

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 4, 2020:

Often when looking at ideas containing substantial generalizations, I try to think of counterarguments. Sadly, there are people for whom travel would merely reinforce their own sense of superiority simply out of their having a complete lack of empathy. I was quite moved by a scene from the movie "Black 47" about Ireland during the potato famine. An Englishman of birth was commenting derisively on a lowly Irish girl servant, and how she compared to a "proper" English woman. The Irishman who was helping the Englishman hunt the fugitive they were after responded saying put that same English woman through what the Irish one had been through, and it would be quite the accomplishment to afterward possess the same dignity the Irish woman had.

"Our task over the next few generations is to transform the world of independent states in which we ...

1of5 comments on Jan 4, 2020:

The fuck? *..however quarrelsome, discontented, and full of injustice it probably will be...* That makes zero sense. Injustice creates discontent which leads to quarrels. How can you have a society that stays together if you don't care about how much injustice the system has? You know, ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 4, 2020:

Valid observation. "However much" is certainly far too open ended, though his point was likely to acknowledge that an imperfect international community was arguably preferable to the alternative of nation states endlessly applying organized violence as the "solution" to all problems forever based on [reasons] where the [reasons] often are tenuous at best, even when not based on outright lies.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

SilentRage comments on Jan 3, 2020:

Anyone who doesnt agree with me is of course a hyper-opinionated zealot. Name calling and pointing fingers is the standard for the weak.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 3, 2020:

I think his challenge was more of a "if the shoe fits" type of thing. He at least pointed out which way his own preconceptions initially leaned.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

t1nick comments on Jan 2, 2020:

Alright William I"m back. I read the article. I can appreciate his journey. I come from a a lower class working family. I was the first in my family to attend and graduate college. But that is not the "stranger in a strange land" part of my journey. I have been a high school science ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

Thanks for sharing your remarkable background. Glad you saw some of the things I did in the piece.

Balloon Juice | Under the Radar

RoboGraham comments on Jan 2, 2020:

Pro-Bernie comment posted. Let's see how they respond.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

@RoboGraham Re: DWS. Absolutely. Strong evidence of election fraud/criminal actions in her runs against challenger Tim Canova as well.

Balloon Juice | Under the Radar

RoboGraham comments on Jan 2, 2020:

Pro-Bernie comment posted. Let's see how they respond.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

@RoboGraham It was Arizona it turns out, but this is a pretty good deconstruction of it. They ran with it for as long as they could in order to maximize the damage from the fabrication. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

My Semester With the Snowflakes

Jolanta comments on Jan 2, 2020:

People should look up Anthony Magnabosc to learn how to listen and be objective.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

Thx for the rec, Jolanta.

Balloon Juice | Under the Radar

RoboGraham comments on Jan 2, 2020:

Pro-Bernie comment posted. Let's see how they respond.

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

Fantastic! Should I look for the same nym? I used to be able to talk to the blog owner directly on FB. I told him that the arena of ideas doesn't do well with such heavy-handed gatekeeping but he considers even making some assertions despite providing valid citations as promoting conspiracy quackery and is cause for ouster. Yet one of their regulars repeated the debunked smear of the Arizona? primary "riot" and supposed chair throwing by Bernie supporters.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

JackPedigo comments on Jan 2, 2020:

I have belonged to several organizations and have had many discussions. It should not just be about having one's mind changed but helping others to see things in a new light. I will and have admitted when I am wrong or missed some valid points but I seem to be an anomaly. My first group, ZPG, ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

@JackPedigo Quite true. Offshoring certainly is bipartisan. Cheap goods are great, until producing them renders the population intended to serves as condumers are without income.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

dokala comments on Jan 2, 2020:

Yep, heard the interview on NPR before he started and at the end of the semester. He seemed genuinely open minded from the start, so I think he knew the exchanges he would have over the semester would impact him and his classmates in a positive way. In thinking about it, this is truly an extremes ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

The differences with regard to life experiences and worldviews were certainly substantial. I think preconceived notions in many areas are par for the course for most people, but what is essential for learning is to compare them with the reality once presented. He seemed to approach that in a stellar fashion. Certainly, not all could.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

TristanNuvo comments on Jan 2, 2020:

It's something I go through every day when I pop on FB. I have a mix of friends across the spectrum, some are left, some right, some believers, some are not. And every day a good deal of them post their either, Trump this,or that. Or Libs this and that. Every time I try to get any of them to try ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

My pal Bernie the Attorney told me that a near universal human trait is that people shut down when new or conflicting information threatens to take them out of their bubble. It's why as a trial attorney, he had to get them to come to a particular conclusion on their own in a laborious, spoon-fed, step by step process. Anything too much outside of their comfort zone, and it's back to square one,

My Semester With the Snowflakes

JackPedigo comments on Jan 2, 2020:

I have belonged to several organizations and have had many discussions. It should not just be about having one's mind changed but helping others to see things in a new light. I will and have admitted when I am wrong or missed some valid points but I seem to be an anomaly. My first group, ZPG, ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

@JackPedigo I think it's also as much, how we live, as it is how many are alive. The wealth and prosperity if this country was largely through the exploitation of others through various means (often murderous and criminal), while we decry the growth rate of others seeking a comparable affluence. The ratio of the global resources we consume versus our population is quite skewed. :-----: “We are told ‘no’, we’re unimportant, we’re peripheral. ‘Get a degree, get a job, get this, get that.’ And then you’re a player, but you don’t want to play in the game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that’s being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world.” – Terence McKenna

My Semester With the Snowflakes

JackPedigo comments on Jan 2, 2020:

I have belonged to several organizations and have had many discussions. It should not just be about having one's mind changed but helping others to see things in a new light. I will and have admitted when I am wrong or missed some valid points but I seem to be an anomaly. My first group, ZPG, ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

@JackPedigo Though often these same conservatives will dismiss concerns about sustainability and growth by citing some factoid like the entire population of the planet could fit in the state of Texas with ample elbow room, ignoring the resources and substantial infrastructure needed for this to be in any way viable. They'll also regularly ignore (both sides really) the impact that wars have on the population desperate to flee the carnage. Often the pretext for demonizing the undocumented is in order to be able to continue to exploit them. Businesses that hire are rarely sanctioned in any meaningful way. Additionally, the current drive has many crops now rotting in the field. The misery caused by Trump's detention camps ignores the fact that seeking political asylum is a legal avenue for entry. Many have been killed/died being repatriated to their homelands (or sent to a country they never lived in), and even those offered citizendhip for military service have been shamefully betrayed. I fully welcome discussions/debates on growth and sustainability, but quite often there is misdirection serving only to provide cover for rapacious corporate entities denuding the planet for profit at the expense of all else.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 2, 2020:

I think the author shows genuine humility and open-mindedness, not a very common thing among people in the military and law enforcement, which is one reason I stay away from those types and don't seem to relate very well to them, another reason is my own issues with authority, mainly a strong ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

I find this pertains to your observations. From: The Fate of an Honest Intellectual - Noam Chomsky https://chomsky.info/power01/ "Still, in the universities or in any other institution, you can often find some dissidents hanging around in the woodwork—and they can survive in one fashion or another, particularly if they get community support. But if they become too disruptive or too obstreperous—or you know, too effective—they’re likely to be kicked out. The standard thing, though, is that they won’t make it within the institutions in the first place, particularly if they were that way when they were young—they’ll simply be weeded out somewhere along the line. So in most cases, the people who make it through the institutions and are able to remain in them have already internalized the right kinds of beliefs: it’s not a problem for them to be obedient, they already are obedient, that’s how they got there. And that’s pretty much how the ideological control system perpetuates itself in the schools—that’s the basic story of how it operates, I think."

My Semester With the Snowflakes

TomMcGiverin comments on Jan 2, 2020:

I think the author shows genuine humility and open-mindedness, not a very common thing among people in the military and law enforcement, which is one reason I stay away from those types and don't seem to relate very well to them, another reason is my own issues with authority, mainly a strong ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

I tend to agree with your assessment. They didn't become the powerhouse they are by looking to upend the status quo in any substantial way that might reorder the prevailing stratification.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

t1nick comments on Jan 2, 2020:

Your post pre-supposes that persons disagreeing with are automatically wrong as your opinion is the right one. That by engaging with you, you will necessarily by the rightness of your bias, show them the error of their ways and will come to your way of thinking. Their is a certain arrogance and ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

The passage posted is the author's, not mine, btw.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

t1nick comments on Jan 2, 2020:

Your post pre-supposes that persons disagreeing with are automatically wrong as your opinion is the right one. That by engaging with you, you will necessarily by the rightness of your bias, show them the error of their ways and will come to your way of thinking. Their is a certain arrogance and ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

I don't think I did anything of the sort. In fact, my purpose and my own approach is to subject my ideas to the most rigorous examination. I find that serves to sharpen my understandings, as well as often being the catalyst to reevaluating my views. To put things out there while indicating one's own outlook at the same time in no way invalidates the assertions, as rebuttals are both expected and welcomed. I also find it useful to try to argue from the other person's perspective, and doing so by actually learning their position, and not just an inaccurate characterization of it.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

JackPedigo comments on Jan 2, 2020:

I have belonged to several organizations and have had many discussions. It should not just be about having one's mind changed but helping others to see things in a new light. I will and have admitted when I am wrong or missed some valid points but I seem to be an anomaly. My first group, ZPG, ...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

Those are some great observations. I was familiar with ZPG and NPG back in the day. I was troubled with the elements of anti-immigration that seemed to attract a particularly fervent right wing crowd, but also knew that aspect of the organization's goals still deserved to be discussed fully from all perspectives. It is also a sad reality how funding largely determines who sets the agenda, and just how often the core mission is compromised because of that. Tell me what their ommitted issues are, and I'll show you their true agenda.

My Semester With the Snowflakes

rogueflyer comments on Jan 2, 2020:

"To me there is no dishonor in being wrong and learning. There is dishonor in willful ignorance and there is dishonor in disrespect." One of the tenets of Free Thinkers is the acceptance that we could be wrong. It's good to have a well thought out opinion but you still have to accept you might not...

WilliamCharles replies on Jan 2, 2020:

I want to see if I can learn more about his views with regard to how Yale presents the world of geopolitics and economics. Particularly as a veteran, he might have some input as to the role of military personnel (and the people of the nations his actions impacted) as pawns on a grand chessboard. Economically, how spending to build rather than destroy might have a greater ROI in both the long and short run. There was a time when we actually saw winning hearts and minds as not just _a_ key element, but *the* key element.

Included in the "fake news" and disinformation of the media, are the "sins of omissions" as well.

Moravian comments on Dec 28, 2019:

John Pilger. one of the good guys.

WilliamCharles replies on Dec 28, 2019:

Would that more people knew that. The MSM certainly does, which is why they must marginalize him by ignoring him entirely. Every time I hear MSM talking heads heap fawning accolades on each other and their guests one every single segment intro and outro, I throw up a little in my mouth. MSNBC runs filler (Dateline, their prison show, etc. ) during holiday breaks when their too important on-air talent is unavailable. It occured to me how nice it would be for the voices generally excluded from the airwaves to be given those timeslots. The reason it would never happen is that it would establish almost immediately how much people hunger for some straight reporting from credible journalists.

He who controls the past controls the future.

Geoffrey51 comments on Dec 3, 2019:

“...who controls the present controls the past.” Orwellian thinking, but does that lead to resignation rather than optimism?

WilliamCharles replies on Dec 3, 2019:

I see it as failure is not an option. But my reason for posting is that the our media does not serve us well. If only if it were about presenting the truth, but in fact, it's about who gets to declare what gets presented as truth.

The blind loyalty of Trump's evangelical base seems oddly familiar.

Organist1 comments on Dec 2, 2019:

Jonestown, Guyana

WilliamCharles replies on Dec 2, 2019:

And Kool-Aid took the rap though it was the wholly inferior "Flavor-Aid." One of life's little ironies.

The blind loyalty of Trump's evangelical base seems oddly familiar.

JackPedigo comments on Dec 2, 2019:

And of course the usual "God's on our side" ploy. One reason the military consistently deny 'atheist in foxholes' is because when there is no god or afterlife one starts to question what they are giving their life for. Thanks to the increase in outspoken atheists and organizations like FFRF a group...

WilliamCharles replies on Dec 2, 2019:

@Druvius Though the reality is that they're most definitely in the trenches alongside everyone else.

The blind loyalty of Trump's evangelical base seems oddly familiar.

Druvius comments on Dec 2, 2019:

Most Trump comparisons to Hitler are garbage, but in this respect, yes, there's definitely parallels.

WilliamCharles replies on Dec 2, 2019:

@1of5 I think the power allowed demagogues on this run is slightly different. Hitler was a Caligula, whereas Trump provides cover to an extent for the Machiavellians steering our course. He's largely a distraction... misdirection for a deeper agenda.

How I Became Pro-Palestine & Why It Matters. | elephant journal

FearlessFly comments on Dec 2, 2019:

Unless/until Netanyahu and Trump are gone, aren't things likely to get worse ?

WilliamCharles replies on Dec 2, 2019:

Yes, but those outrages were predicated on the amount of normalization from the left. At least that's the way I see it.

“Through our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself.

brentan comments on Nov 28, 2019:

I'm starting to thinking along those lines myself but I'm hesitant to think too anthropomorphically about it.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 30, 2019:

We are part of a continuous line from the singularity, and in a way it is anthropomorphic by default. We are the life from non-life aware of our non-life roots.

“Through our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself.

davers comments on Nov 28, 2019:

sounds just like another made up religion to me.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 30, 2019:

I think it's an accurate description of reality.

Being literally snowed in will make for a quiet National Genocide Celebration Day.

LucyLoohoo comments on Nov 28, 2019:

Looks like fun! Do you have to drive in this?

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 29, 2019:

Can't. Hadn't expected it and the driveway is sloped so I need it to melt first to back out. Should be alright in a day or two.

Chris Hedges: Why the Deep State Is Trying To Take Trump Out + Why School Shootings Are No Longer ...

racocn8 comments on Nov 19, 2019:

Figures. A Russian Television commentator. Ingrate. The Deep State is what put Putin in the White House.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 19, 2019:

What were his allegiances (Hedges) in pointing out what a fiasco Iraq was destined to become?

Chris Hedges: Why the Deep State Is Trying To Take Trump Out + Why School Shootings Are No Longer ...

yvilletom comments on Nov 18, 2019:

I ignore Chris Hedges. His negativity takes him out of consideration.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 18, 2019:

I think it's positive to acknowledge that Trump's act were worthy of impeachment right out of the starting gate. I'm also quite impressed with his integrity concerning his negative views about the Iraq war. It cost him his job at the NYT.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not ...

callmedubious comments on Nov 17, 2019:

Global warming comes to mind.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 17, 2019:

And they actually are paid to pretend they don't. And regarding globsl warming, denial of the details is just a distraction as species die off and the environment is further degraded.

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable ...

yvilletom comments on Nov 17, 2019:

Pressure by peers limits the spectrum; pressure by superiors limits it more and pressure by inferiors limits it less. Inferences include that the upper, or ruling, socio-economic class has fewer limits and that the lower such class has more limits.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 17, 2019:

Well stated.

The Backfire Effect [theoatmeal.com] (Why we are resistant to new ideas)

HippieChick58 comments on Nov 16, 2019:

Fabulous!

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 16, 2019:

@RavenCT Read his Dog Paradox one. Equal parts hilarious and moving.

The Backfire Effect [theoatmeal.com] (Why we are resistant to new ideas)

DenoPenno comments on Nov 16, 2019:

I resist a lot of new ideas because to embrace them means it is no longer my world. An in home medical evaluation recently had the examiner telling me I am a very angry person, and she thought it was because of my ex-wife. I said, no, I am angry with those who tell me I have to be angry with my ...

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 16, 2019:

Interesting evaluation. Hoping there's still some "good old days" still ahead for us both.

You are looking at a strong VP Democratic candidate in 2020.

WilliamCharles comments on Nov 14, 2019:

Yeah... I think too many people know that Bain Capital is bad news. Patrick is a managing director. I predict Patrick will go nowhere. It's just a Hail Mary because of the other floundering corporate Dems.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 15, 2019:

@St-Sinner What sort of qualifications might you insist upon that people get adequate health care or not get bankrupted by illness? We're pretty much done. We're talking past each other. If you want to keep your expectations low from people that don't even deliver on that. Have at it. I know who's earned my vote.

You are looking at a strong VP Democratic candidate in 2020.

WilliamCharles comments on Nov 14, 2019:

Yeah... I think too many people know that Bain Capital is bad news. Patrick is a managing director. I predict Patrick will go nowhere. It's just a Hail Mary because of the other floundering corporate Dems.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 15, 2019:

@St-Sinner Shrubya announced a mission to Mars, Obama was going to close Gitmo, Trump bragged about eliminating the deficit. I have no problem advocating for something the rest of the developed world already has. We will reduce costs and not have people dying from lack of care or going bankrupt from getting sick. We have an endless money supply for killing people around the world, but plead poverty when it comes to helping our citizens. Fvck the concern trolls.

You are looking at a strong VP Democratic candidate in 2020.

WilliamCharles comments on Nov 14, 2019:

Yeah... I think too many people know that Bain Capital is bad news. Patrick is a managing director. I predict Patrick will go nowhere. It's just a Hail Mary because of the other floundering corporate Dems.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 15, 2019:

@St-Sinner As has been said, we'll be better able to gauge the validity of our assertions once some actual votes are cast. I think your assessments are not accurate.

Oppose the Military Coup in Bolivia. Spare Us Your “Critiques” - CounterPunch.org

FearlessFly comments on Nov 14, 2019:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/world/americas/bolivia-evo-morales-coup.html

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 15, 2019:

It wouldn't hurt for you to cut and past some portion of the article that represents to point(s) you wish to make.

You are looking at a strong VP Democratic candidate in 2020.

WilliamCharles comments on Nov 14, 2019:

Yeah... I think too many people know that Bain Capital is bad news. Patrick is a managing director. I predict Patrick will go nowhere. It's just a Hail Mary because of the other floundering corporate Dems.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 14, 2019:

@Channeler1 Hopefully Bernie burning it all down is in the good sense, right? 😄

You are looking at a strong VP Democratic candidate in 2020.

WilliamCharles comments on Nov 14, 2019:

Yeah... I think too many people know that Bain Capital is bad news. Patrick is a managing director. I predict Patrick will go nowhere. It's just a Hail Mary because of the other floundering corporate Dems.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 14, 2019:

@St-Sinner On whose ticket in particular do you feel he'd be a good pairing?

You are looking at a strong VP Democratic candidate in 2020.

RobinGray comments on Nov 14, 2019:

Chumper wannabe

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 14, 2019:

He could certainly be considered a corporate Dem.

You are looking at a strong VP Democratic candidate in 2020.

WilliamCharles comments on Nov 14, 2019:

Yeah... I think too many people know that Bain Capital is bad news. Patrick is a managing director. I predict Patrick will go nowhere. It's just a Hail Mary because of the other floundering corporate Dems.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 14, 2019:

@St-Sinner Both. I'm going to generalize quite a bit here, but remember that Dan Quayle was selected to be GHWB's running mate as an attempt to cash in on Robert Redford's movie, The Candidate. It was thought thst a handsome male would win over much of the female vote. A similar view was in play with Sarah Palin on McCain's ticket. Goopers went wild for their outspoken MILF. What's that have to do with the Dem field? Well, from my perspective, a lot of them are running/ran because they looked suitably presidential, and had multiple pluses in terms of diversity. Men and women of color, a gay mayor, a rocker, etc. But when you examine many of them closer, they largely echo the status quo, with a few otherwise distinguishing platform positions. Patrick *is* well spoken, and probably represents a sensible mainstream choice on the whole, but times are too critical to go that route. The progressive voting block is quite wary of the flood of candidates, and view them in terms of the attempt to steal Bernie's thunder. Many Dems call for Blue no matter who, but not as far as Bernie goes it seems. Progressives won't accept a mediocre substitute. It's early, but I think Bernie's showings bodes well for his campaign. These candidates all sat out 2016 because the field was cleared for Hillary. Some parrot Bernie's views now, but they're late to the party as far as I'm concerned. Expect more DNC panic as their favorites fall by the wayside.

To the surviving people of Palestine, I am truly so very sorry that you, your families, your ...

St-Sinner comments on Nov 13, 2019:

Why are we not fighting as hard for the Native Americans right here at home? We have occupied their land for the last 300 years.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 13, 2019:

@St-Sinner You mischaracterize so much, such as "ignoring issues at home." Your bullshit is barely worth addressing. What's even easier than satellite "sympathy" for many (though it is more accurately described as "empathy") is turning on their back entirely on the suffering of others, largely as I have already pointed out as a result of US policy. SILENCE = ASSENT You pick whatever battles have meaning and urgency for yourself. You'll forgive me if I choose to do likewise.

To the surviving people of Palestine, I am truly so very sorry that you, your families, your ...

St-Sinner comments on Nov 13, 2019:

Why are we not fighting as hard for the Native Americans right here at home? We have occupied their land for the last 300 years.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 13, 2019:

@St-Sinner You seem to exist largely as a gadfly. You rarely offer anything of merit on my posts and I don't see much original content by you either. Whatever floats your boat. What my government does to bankroll murder and oppression globally *is* a domestic issue. We'd certainly have more funds for programs for our own citizens if Israel had to learn to murder on its own dime. Hell... might even get them to stop.

"I am so bloody sick of the claim that the slaughter of innocent people by bringing down the full ...

Organist1 comments on Nov 13, 2019:

I know. There are no credible reasons. None.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 13, 2019:

Though the [reasons] constantly change, the reasoning itself is usually specious.

To the surviving people of Palestine, I am truly so very sorry that you, your families, your ...

St-Sinner comments on Nov 13, 2019:

Why are we not fighting as hard for the Native Americans right here at home? We have occupied their land for the last 300 years.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 13, 2019:

You are not wrong. Our genocide against the indigenous of this continent was largely accomplished. The genocide in Palestine is ongoing.

Bernie 2020!

St-Sinner comments on Nov 9, 2019:

Bernie is burning to the ground. You may admire his message but it is time to accept his doom. He is done. Be at peace. He is a bad messenger.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 12, 2019:

@St-Sinner The past is prologue. As I think I've stated before, feel free to share the horse you're backing. Either they're a frontrunner (that limits the possibilities), or they're some sort of come-from-behind dynamo that just hasn't caught fire yet. Either way, I know the candidate that has what it takes to win in the primaries, and defeat the Doughy Dotard. You're damn right I'm sticking with him, and I'm not alone.

Bernie 2020!

St-Sinner comments on Nov 9, 2019:

Bernie is burning to the ground. You may admire his message but it is time to accept his doom. He is done. Be at peace. He is a bad messenger.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 12, 2019:

@St-Sinner He'd already *be* president if the Very Serious People who were convinced that foisting Hillary on the electorate was a sure thing had not strong armed her into the nomination.

Why the Corporate Media Won’t Call It a Coup

FearlessFly comments on Nov 12, 2019:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/world/americas/bolivia-evo-morales-coup.html

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 12, 2019:

Thx, though NYT won't let me read the whole thing. I guess in light of the glaring omissions elsewhere, parsing whether or not coup is the appropriate term is something.

Bernie 2020!

St-Sinner comments on Nov 9, 2019:

Bernie is burning to the ground. You may admire his message but it is time to accept his doom. He is done. Be at peace. He is a bad messenger.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 12, 2019:

@St-Sinner Bernie's success is despite the concerted efforts to shut him down. His supporters grow and are aware of the chicanery that took place in 2016.

Veteran’s Day — a celebration of peace becomes a sacrament of war

yvilletom comments on Nov 11, 2019:

William, I read your post and wanted to know if life and war are forever joined. Having read that large and strong cyanobacteria engulfed (ate) smaller and weaker cyanobacteria, I searched on whether it is the first known form of life. The reply: yes. Have you seen Smedley Butler’s book, titled...

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 12, 2019:

Yes. Always like linking it as well. The entire publication is online. https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

I became draft age in ’75 as America’s direct military involvement in the Vietnam conflict had ...

DavidDuhon comments on Nov 11, 2019:

I think we do no favor calling our soldiers heroes rather than recognizing them as victims and making sure they get the help they need.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 11, 2019:

@TomMcGiverin Too true, sadly.

I became draft age in ’75 as America’s direct military involvement in the Vietnam conflict had ...

DavidDuhon comments on Nov 11, 2019:

I think we do no favor calling our soldiers heroes rather than recognizing them as victims and making sure they get the help they need.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 11, 2019:

@TomMcGiverin I think the victimization comes from our foreign policy. What Smedley Butler wrote about in "War is a Racket." https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

A Guide To Bad Faith Arguments Against Bernie Sanders

FearlessFly comments on Nov 10, 2019:

According to this browser extension : https://www.newsguardtech.com/ This website is a platform that publishes content from its users that it does not vet. Information from this source may not be reliable. A self-publishing platform that features the work of bloggers and writers on a wide range...

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 11, 2019:

@FearlessFly Jeff Bezos of the Washington Post has a contract with the CIA. If I'm not mistaken, the NYT recently listed the right wing website Breitbart as a credible source for reporting. I use these sites, and many more, as initial sources to look up more information on stories that are otherwise being ignored. Even Breitbart.

"All war is a symptom of man's failure as a thinking animal." John Steinbeck

Geoffrey51 comments on Nov 11, 2019:

We must consider here that animals don’t wage war. They have territorial disputes but not conscious incursions. There are no grand animal War Offices. As a ‘thinking animal’ war is not a failure in itself, the failure is not to be able to find peaceful and concordant solutions which ...

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 11, 2019:

Humans are members of the animal kingdom. We are mammals.

A Guide To Bad Faith Arguments Against Bernie Sanders

FearlessFly comments on Nov 10, 2019:

According to this browser extension : https://www.newsguardtech.com/ This website is a platform that publishes content from its users that it does not vet. Information from this source may not be reliable. A self-publishing platform that features the work of bloggers and writers on a wide range...

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 11, 2019:

It's largely an opinion piece, no? Here's some of the ways the so-called credible news outlets operate. Sometimes it *is* troubling that "regular" news outlets fail to cover this stuff. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51828.htm

Bernie 2020!

St-Sinner comments on Nov 9, 2019:

Bernie is burning to the ground. You may admire his message but it is time to accept his doom. He is done. Be at peace. He is a bad messenger.

WilliamCharles replies on Nov 9, 2019:

That's some mighty strong Kool-Aid you've been swilling.

Not Evil, Just Stupid | The Trickster's Guide to Geopolitics

Geoffrey51 comments on Oct 22, 2019:

Why does Hilary Clinton matter? Has not her day in the sun disdipated?

WilliamCharles replies on Oct 22, 2019:

It is my understanding she's still coordinating things for Elizabeth Warren's campaign. She still holds a lot of sway with the corporate wing of the party.

Krystal Ball reacts to Ocasio-Cortez endorsing Sanders: 'Class power over girl power' | TheHill

Geoffrey51 comments on Oct 20, 2019:

Is Krystal Ball her real name or is this a spoof!

WilliamCharles replies on Oct 20, 2019:

Nope. She's the real deal. She used to be a regular on MSNBC, iirc. Someone tried to get her fired by digging up some pics from her college days (she was playfully having fun with some sex toys. Very tame stuff. Holding a dildo up to her mouth).

AOC and The Squad endorse Bernie for president.

WilliamCharles comments on Oct 19, 2019:

The rally today in Queens was awesome.

WilliamCharles replies on Oct 19, 2019:

Loved his closing comments.

AOC and The Squad endorse Bernie for president.

jaelooking comments on Oct 18, 2019:

Just wondering your age? sorry....i see...61...

WilliamCharles replies on Oct 18, 2019:

@jaelooking Not offended, was merely looking for some context.

AOC and The Squad endorse Bernie for president.

jaelooking comments on Oct 18, 2019:

Just wondering your age? sorry....i see...61...

WilliamCharles replies on Oct 18, 2019:

Your point being...?

Ten Recent Democratic Primary Polls Good for Bernie Sanders Ignored by the Conventional Wisdom - ...

St-Sinner comments on Oct 1, 2019:

Right now, Bernie is defeating Bernie. Nobody else is.

WilliamCharles replies on Oct 3, 2019:

@St-Sinner https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/10/hillary-clinton-lost-bernie-sanders-could-have-won/

Ten Recent Democratic Primary Polls Good for Bernie Sanders Ignored by the Conventional Wisdom - ...

St-Sinner comments on Oct 1, 2019:

Right now, Bernie is defeating Bernie. Nobody else is.

WilliamCharles replies on Oct 1, 2019:

@St-Sinner Bernie would have won in 2016 had he not been cheated (as well as had a substantial coattail effect on the down ballot races). He pulls in a large block of voters of independents and the disaffected who stayed home because Hillary did not energize the base. Bernie was up on Trump by 10pts in the general election poll numbers whereas Hillary was in a statistical tie. Hillary billed herself as "a progressive with results" which was total horseshit. Warren backpedals too much on posions worth defenfing. Her not supporting Medicare for All is enough for me to reject her. Unless the "Blue no matter who" crew are lying, Bernie would lock in those votes, as well as bring in substantial numbers of voters tired of Dem business as usual. A Bernie administration will be a long overdue sea change in American politics. It's why the "anti-establishment" Trump won in 2016. Warren promises pretty much the Dem same old same old.

Ten Recent Democratic Primary Polls Good for Bernie Sanders Ignored by the Conventional Wisdom - ...

St-Sinner comments on Oct 1, 2019:

Right now, Bernie is defeating Bernie. Nobody else is.

WilliamCharles replies on Oct 1, 2019:

Bernie is doing quite well despite the built in obstacles. Curious who you support. You'd love it over at the Balloon Juice blog. They dump on Bernie all the time.

Bernie’s Path to Victory

St-Sinner comments on Oct 1, 2019:

When Bernie is going down, is it everybody else's fault? His job is to lead and win, not whine.

WilliamCharles replies on Oct 1, 2019:

There's verifiable instances of the MSM doctoring Bernie's numbers already at this stage. I'm counting on strong voter turnout in the primaries to quiet the naysayers. Bernie definitely beats Trump. All the others are questionable, as bad as Trump is. And, Glob help us, Shillary has come out of the woods again (McResistance). Corporate Dems would rather lose with a centrist than win with a progressive. Tired of that shit. Seriously tired.

MSNBC Pundit Who Accused Those Who Prefer Sanders to Warren of 'Sexism' Sparks Viral Outcry From ...

Flowerwall comments on Sep 30, 2019:

I do think that getting a woman elected feels like an impossibility. Is Bernie really the superior candidate? Does Tisch Sussman still have her job?

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 30, 2019:

Bernie will be a sea change. I think with Tulsi as VP (or Nina), there'd be two terms for either of them after his.

The Right Way to Impeach Trump There's no good argument for Nancy Pelosi's narrow approach focusing ...

KJThomas comments on Sep 28, 2019:

Pelosi's impeachment investigation is actually an umbrella effort that includes all six investigations currently active in Congress. I don't know why you didn't realize that?

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 29, 2019:

If I'm not mistaken, impeachment includes the power to subpoena. That should allow quite a bit of discovery. Pelosi didn't impeach Shrubya the war criminal, so I've got a wait and see attitude. Do you think they'll downplay whatever they uncover with H7nter Biden? Though not necessarily illegal, it highlights the incestuous nature of government.

Think I got locked out of the group "Bernie Sanders - The Revolution Continues.

powder comments on Sep 23, 2019:

Their loss not yours

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 24, 2019:

@Robecology I PMd the Group Originator with no response. It's not a site admin prob because it's their group to do with what they want.

Think I got locked out of the group "Bernie Sanders - The Revolution Continues.

powder comments on Sep 24, 2019:

Reading comments here it sounds as if you were playing devils advocate to further debate and tactical discussions, yet the group prefers an echo chamber. Reread my original comment

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 24, 2019:

I was/am a true blue Bernie backer. Posted quite a few supportive pieces without ever feeling like I was flooded the group. Got a lot of positive feedback.

Think I got locked out of the group "Bernie Sanders - The Revolution Continues.

Garbonza comments on Sep 24, 2019:

Looks like the head cheerleader might have taken a dislike to you. The "yes men" are always the worst when their tiny sliver of power goes to their heads -- refusing to answer questions that Bernie himself would probably welcome if he were in charge of the site.

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 24, 2019:

As far as tough questions for Bernie, I wish to hell he'd go on the Jimmy Dore Show.

Think I got locked out of the group "Bernie Sanders - The Revolution Continues.

Garbonza comments on Sep 24, 2019:

Looks like the head cheerleader might have taken a dislike to you. The "yes men" are always the worst when their tiny sliver of power goes to their heads -- refusing to answer questions that Bernie himself would probably welcome if he were in charge of the site.

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 24, 2019:

It wasn't insufficient enthusiasm for Bernie at all. I posted nothing but, with an exception or two of negstive pieces in order to discuss the misrepresentations and how to counter. The previous friction was over the group for eclectic music. I had somehow transgressed and that was that. It was so much schoolyard childishness that I was rather taken aback. Didn't think it would spill over to something of actual importance. I hope I'm nevery that petty and infantile.

Think I got locked out of the group "Bernie Sanders - The Revolution Continues.

SageDave comments on Sep 24, 2019:

The "If not Bernie, then no one" crowd wants their candidate to win no matter what. They will again blame the DNC for rigging the nomination process against their candidate. Anyone who has turned against Bernie his *Persona non grata* in their book. Being locked out is a sign of their lack of ...

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 24, 2019:

I'm a Bernie die hard. I think I have a lot in common with the group originator, but it apparently matters not as far as what the main focus of the group should be (getting Bernie elected).

Think I got locked out of the group "Bernie Sanders - The Revolution Continues.

powder comments on Sep 23, 2019:

Their loss not yours

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 23, 2019:

Thanks. I think of myself as fairly easygoing and rational, but this feels like someone going out of their way to hurt me. I'm used to it from adversaries, but this seems uncalled for. Oh well, I'm sure the frustration will fade, but right now it kinda sticks in my craw.

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Diogenes comments on Sep 23, 2019:

Hubby may have made a great Prez. How about everyone, young or old, though, who are down on their luck?

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 23, 2019:

I also remember being quite impressed reading statements by HHH on church state separation.

"The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer.

brentan comments on Sep 20, 2019:

I guess it's not easy to fulfill Manifest Destiny and be altruistic at the same time.

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 20, 2019:

I was gobsmacked learning about the Doctrine of Discovery as well. There was a line in the movie The New World where a sailor arguing to push the indigenous out of the way yells, "God wants those who will exploit the land to have it!" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_doctrine

TOP SANDERS ADVISER: 'HE IS A LITTLE BIT ANGRY' "There is sort of a thinly veiled contempt for ...

Robecology comments on Sep 20, 2019:

I'm never saying "Bernie or bust"....it's that attitude that got a lot of Bernie supporters who stayed home in 2016...and let Trump in. So I implore Bernie supporters....don't go down that road again. Watch the primaries. Scrape together your cash and mail it in to him when you can....but if ...

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 20, 2019:

If he's cheated out of the nomination again, I can't see myself rewarding that. And I don't have a problem saying "Bernie or bust" at this point in the process either. Am I bluffing? They're gonna have to call to find out.

Bernie Sanders hits 1 million donors "One million people have donated to Bernie Sanders' ...

Athena comments on Sep 19, 2019:

When Bernie becomes President, I'm going to be an unmitigated jeRK to ALL the people who called him a crazy socialist, too old, and/or a "hunchback jew." That last insult made its appearance on this site. I don't care how immature it comes across. Rub, rub rubbing it in their faces!!

WilliamCharles replies on Sep 20, 2019:

@Athena I found this a perfect example of their latest BS. They simultaneously take Bernie out of the top tier of candidates while elevating Harris where she doesn't belong. They also continue to diss Gabbard though her numbers have climbed past Harris' in some places (who herself dissed Gabbard as not "top tier" lol). https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/09/20/no-surprise-here/#comments