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Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
xenoview comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The con never stops being one just because it's very old. Some people will lie when the truth would be better. They lie because it benefits them.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@Deb57 well, you say "fiction," when it is maybe possible/likely that it is more like exaggerating to make a point? Or, i have also heard that under Roman rule the authors had to be more circumspect, and use terms that locals would get while Romans would not, hence "mule" for Vespasian (known as "the muleteer") and etc
so, to a contemporary, "Jesus" (the most common male name then) "...of Nazareth" (which was unpopulated at the time) would have surely been heard completely differently by a local than we regard it now
but also you might consider that a contemporary audience just would have read those differently, having a diff perspective; if i were to write "The Red Sox annihilated the Yankees yesterday" and you found out later no one actually died, was i "lying" to you?
Conquest genre was the norm then i guess, OT, and ppl understood how to read it; iow making statements like "this is fiction" would have been pointless at the time, just like if you added that to the sportsing thing there above maybe
xenoview comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The con never stops being one just because it's very old. Some people will lie when the truth would be better. They lie because it benefits them.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@Deb57 well, you say "fiction," when it is maybe possible/likely that it is more like exaggerating to make a point? Or, i have also heard that under Roman rule the authors had to be more circumspect, and use terms that locals would get while Romans would not, hence "mule" for Vespasian (known as "the muleteer") and etc
so, to a contemporary, "Jesus" (the most common male name then) "...of Nazareth" (which was unpopulated at the time) would have surely been heard completely differently by a local than we regard it now
but also you might consider that a contemporary audience just would have read those differently, having a diff perspective; if i were to write "The Red Sox annihilated the Yankees yesterday" and you found out later no one actually died, was i "lying" to you?
Conquest genre was the norm then i guess, OT, and ppl understood how to read it; iow making statements like "this is fiction" would have been pointless at the time, just like if you added that to the sportsing thing there above maybe
Great way of putting this
Surfpirate comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Imagine how ignorant and banal the average person is and then realize that half of the population is more ignorant and banal than that. ;) It's all about being very, very, very selective about who you associate with and exercising a lot of restraint so you don't beat the rest within an inch of ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@Surfpirate ah well i def don't mean to disagree there, but i suggest that being nasty back at them will just reinforce the behavior
Surfpirate comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Imagine how ignorant and banal the average person is and then realize that half of the population is more ignorant and banal than that. ;) It's all about being very, very, very selective about who you associate with and exercising a lot of restraint so you don't beat the rest within an inch of ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@Surfpirate ah well i def don't mean to disagree there, but i suggest that being nasty back at them will just reinforce the behavior
Within the Atheist/Agnostic community, I see some overlapping agreement on topics as much as I see ...
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@barjoe i would say that that is a "belief" that there is no God? Except that you have stated it gnostically, as an Absolute Truth. "Beliefs" are (supposedly) subject to change, right?
But since i'm here i will say that your beliefs do not condemn you, according to the Bible; if you say "there is no fucking god" but then go on to do selfless things, help orphans and whatever, that is how you will be judged i guess
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@barjoe i would say that that is a "belief" that there is no God? Except that you have stated it gnostically, as an Absolute Truth. "Beliefs" are (supposedly) subject to change, right?
But since i'm here i will say that your beliefs do not condemn you, according to the Bible; if you say "there is no fucking god" but then go on to do selfless things, help orphans and whatever, that is how you will be judged i guess
Within the Atheist/Agnostic community, I see some overlapping agreement on topics as much as I see ...
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@MacStriker that sounds good, but in my experience that can easily become a trope used for cover, and in the end just another religion, so to speak? As even Einstein has remarked, facts can only get you so far i guess
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@MacStriker that sounds good, but in my experience that can easily become a trope used for cover, and in the end just another religion, so to speak? As even Einstein has remarked, facts can only get you so far i guess
This one is for @KKGator...
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Every time I hear the nonsense repeated, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that flimflammed sheep still believe it, however I always know my response will be searing sarcasm.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@Killtheskyfairy ya...i'm still not very good at it, too much ego still i guess; i notice a couple of ppl have blocked me here
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Every time I hear the nonsense repeated, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that flimflammed sheep still believe it, however I always know my response will be searing sarcasm.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 11, 2021:
@Killtheskyfairy ya...i'm still not very good at it, too much ego still i guess; i notice a couple of ppl have blocked me here
Thanks to phxbillcee, here's a great video I watched that has some real valid criticisms of Biden.
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 10, 2021:
may i suggest that politics is really just religion for gnostics?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@altschmerz i guess the courts have declared the cia culpable in the assassination of jfk? i mean, how seriously can anyone take politics after that?
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 10, 2021:
may i suggest that politics is really just religion for gnostics?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@altschmerz i guess the courts have declared the cia culpable in the assassination of jfk? i mean, how seriously can anyone take politics after that?
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
ToakReon comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If your intention is that someone should believe that which is untrue, and your actions are intended to bring that about, then you are being dishonest.
How, fundamentally, can "I want him to believe X even though it's not true - so I will tell him X is true" be inherently different to "I want him...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@ToakReon sure, i understand; it just kinda forces an airing of the scriptural def of church, which is not that, wadr
and fwiw the Bible is very plain about those who will come in and corrupt, *I know the wolves will rush in as soon as I leave, not sparing the flock* et al
ToakReon comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If your intention is that someone should believe that which is untrue, and your actions are intended to bring that about, then you are being dishonest.
How, fundamentally, can "I want him to believe X even though it's not true - so I will tell him X is true" be inherently different to "I want him...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@ToakReon sure, i understand; it just kinda forces an airing of the scriptural def of church, which is not that, wadr
and fwiw the Bible is very plain about those who will come in and corrupt, *I know the wolves will rush in as soon as I leave, not sparing the flock* et al
Great way of putting this
FrayedBear comments on Apr 9, 2021:
A good analogy.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
for a gnostic anyway, sure, but note the convenient phrasing, "...doesn't believe in dragons," rather than the more truthful and succinct "believes there are no dragons" (thus removing the "believing *in*" concept entirely, as well) since atheists are def believers, only in diff things, at least generally speaking?
i notice atheists avoiding this like the plague, but obv in order to even say "i dont believe *in* ________," one must have some contrary "belief," right
FrayedBear comments on Apr 9, 2021:
A good analogy.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
for a gnostic anyway, sure, but note the convenient phrasing, "...doesn't believe in dragons," rather than the more truthful and succinct "believes there are no dragons" (thus removing the "believing *in*" concept entirely, as well) since atheists are def believers, only in diff things, at least generally speaking?
i notice atheists avoiding this like the plague, but obv in order to even say "i dont believe *in* ________," one must have some contrary "belief," right
Great way of putting this
Surfpirate comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Imagine how ignorant and banal the average person is and then realize that half of the population is more ignorant and banal than that. ;) It's all about being very, very, very selective about who you associate with and exercising a lot of restraint so you don't beat the rest within an inch of ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
why are we so forgiving of little kids screwing up, but so mean to adult kids doing the same?
Surfpirate comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Imagine how ignorant and banal the average person is and then realize that half of the population is more ignorant and banal than that. ;) It's all about being very, very, very selective about who you associate with and exercising a lot of restraint so you don't beat the rest within an inch of ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
why are we so forgiving of little kids screwing up, but so mean to adult kids doing the same?
Great way of putting this
BD66 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
There are roughly 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars out there, with who knows how many planets orbiting them. It's much more likely that a dragon-like creature exists on one of those planets than it is that God and his son Jesus exist as they are depicted in the Bible.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
well wadr Yah does not claim to "exist" in the Bible, not anywhere, as addressed in the "I AM" passages.
"Wind" was used as a metaphor at the time, which we now know what the wind is made of, and what causes it, but you can still extrapolate if you want to get the point
and fwiw Jesus (Joshua) was the most common male name then, and Nazareth was not even inhabited 1st century AD, which might make a quite good argument for "Jesus of Nazareth" being a great rabbi-speak way of saying "John Doe, from Nowhere"
BD66 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
There are roughly 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars out there, with who knows how many planets orbiting them. It's much more likely that a dragon-like creature exists on one of those planets than it is that God and his son Jesus exist as they are depicted in the Bible.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
well wadr Yah does not claim to "exist" in the Bible, not anywhere, as addressed in the "I AM" passages.
"Wind" was used as a metaphor at the time, which we now know what the wind is made of, and what causes it, but you can still extrapolate if you want to get the point
and fwiw Jesus (Joshua) was the most common male name then, and Nazareth was not even inhabited 1st century AD, which might make a quite good argument for "Jesus of Nazareth" being a great rabbi-speak way of saying "John Doe, from Nowhere"
Gay couple that adopted a baby they found in the subway tells their heartwarming story / LGBTQ ...
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
baby=$, seems awful unlikely to find one on a city subway...wow, guess it happens fairly frequently? i'll be
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@snytiger6 hmm, the ethics of selling a child for five figures--that an investee would almost surely love and care for, having invested so much--v abandoning the kid to the street or a dumpster? i dunno sny
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
baby=$, seems awful unlikely to find one on a city subway...wow, guess it happens fairly frequently? i'll be
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@snytiger6 hmm, the ethics of selling a child for five figures--that an investee would almost surely love and care for, having invested so much--v abandoning the kid to the street or a dumpster? i dunno sny
This one is for @KKGator...
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Every time I hear the nonsense repeated, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that flimflammed sheep still believe it, however I always know my response will be searing sarcasm.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@Killtheskyfairy i cant help but think that i did too, but a weird thing i'm still learning is that ppl are quite suggestible, until they feel like they are being accosted with the truth, which i got fairly good at. Fortunately for us although that prolly only hardens the opponent, there are many other readers who get the point by that method?
But a secret i am learning is that if you just (sort of) *agree* with a contender, a la "then it is maybe best if you believe that, for now, nothing wrong with that; at least until you incorporate _______" and similar language, you are at least more likely to...shut them up? lol
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Every time I hear the nonsense repeated, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that flimflammed sheep still believe it, however I always know my response will be searing sarcasm.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@Killtheskyfairy i cant help but think that i did too, but a weird thing i'm still learning is that ppl are quite suggestible, until they feel like they are being accosted with the truth, which i got fairly good at. Fortunately for us although that prolly only hardens the opponent, there are many other readers who get the point by that method?
But a secret i am learning is that if you just (sort of) *agree* with a contender, a la "then it is maybe best if you believe that, for now, nothing wrong with that; at least until you incorporate _______" and similar language, you are at least more likely to...shut them up? lol
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@barjoe well wadr i'm maybe not making any sense *to you,* but then you could ask clarifying questions if you really wanted to get at the sense, could you not?
As to your second sentence, talk about not making any sense! :)
but assuming you meant "*in* church tomorrow," "Church" is not a place anyway i guess, like believers think it is, but regardless i hope you have a nice day "in church" tomorrow too, if that is your thing
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@barjoe well wadr i'm maybe not making any sense *to you,* but then you could ask clarifying questions if you really wanted to get at the sense, could you not?
As to your second sentence, talk about not making any sense! :)
but assuming you meant "*in* church tomorrow," "Church" is not a place anyway i guess, like believers think it is, but regardless i hope you have a nice day "in church" tomorrow too, if that is your thing
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
MikeInBatonRouge comments on Apr 9, 2021:
...same as lying? Short answer: essentially yes. And passage time alone solidifies the con, quite the opposite of helping it melt away.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@MikeInBatonRouge word
not sure that a hypocrite is even able to see their hypocrisy most of the time tho; iow they likely believe their own bs most times? dunno
MikeInBatonRouge comments on Apr 9, 2021:
...same as lying? Short answer: essentially yes. And passage time alone solidifies the con, quite the opposite of helping it melt away.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@MikeInBatonRouge word
not sure that a hypocrite is even able to see their hypocrisy most of the time tho; iow they likely believe their own bs most times? dunno
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
ToakReon comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If your intention is that someone should believe that which is untrue, and your actions are intended to bring that about, then you are being dishonest.
How, fundamentally, can "I want him to believe X even though it's not true - so I will tell him X is true" be inherently different to "I want him...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@ToakReon ah, well then why call it a "church?" just bc the deceived do?
ToakReon comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If your intention is that someone should believe that which is untrue, and your actions are intended to bring that about, then you are being dishonest.
How, fundamentally, can "I want him to believe X even though it's not true - so I will tell him X is true" be inherently different to "I want him...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@ToakReon ah, well then why call it a "church?" just bc the deceived do?
Check Out This Massive (Resurrected) Interactive Chart of Bible Contradictions | Hemant Mehta | ...
waitingforgodo comments on Apr 10, 2021:
Yes, but with all this contradiction should people still be agnostic? Why bring up all this stuff about the lunacy of belief and remain a certified, card-carrying agnostic?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
"Gnostic" was originally a slur akin to "know-it-all" that "agnostic" then apparently arose from, which then became "don't know if Yah exists or not" to...the more uninformed ppl maybe, as definitions of terms tend to do i guess
waitingforgodo comments on Apr 10, 2021:
Yes, but with all this contradiction should people still be agnostic? Why bring up all this stuff about the lunacy of belief and remain a certified, card-carrying agnostic?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
"Gnostic" was originally a slur akin to "know-it-all" that "agnostic" then apparently arose from, which then became "don't know if Yah exists or not" to...the more uninformed ppl maybe, as definitions of terms tend to do i guess
Check Out This Massive (Resurrected) Interactive Chart of Bible Contradictions | Hemant Mehta | ...
waitingforgodo comments on Apr 10, 2021:
Yes, but with all this contradiction should people still be agnostic? Why bring up all this stuff about the lunacy of belief and remain a certified, card-carrying agnostic?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
i guess we have different definitions of "agnostic" right now, but to address yours (indirectly), while these are deemd "contradictions" may i suggest that it is likely that they are more like "apparent contradictions" or iow more like puzzles, that all have a solution, which might provide a valuable insight? I'll let you pick an example, if you like
but i love the chart bc it makes literal reading of the Bible so obviously a fail, and forces either outright rejection, or every now and then, elevated introspection
waitingforgodo comments on Apr 10, 2021:
Yes, but with all this contradiction should people still be agnostic? Why bring up all this stuff about the lunacy of belief and remain a certified, card-carrying agnostic?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
i guess we have different definitions of "agnostic" right now, but to address yours (indirectly), while these are deemd "contradictions" may i suggest that it is likely that they are more like "apparent contradictions" or iow more like puzzles, that all have a solution, which might provide a valuable insight? I'll let you pick an example, if you like
but i love the chart bc it makes literal reading of the Bible so obviously a fail, and forces either outright rejection, or every now and then, elevated introspection
Check Out This Massive (Resurrected) Interactive Chart of Bible Contradictions | Hemant Mehta | ...
CuddyCruiser comments on Apr 10, 2021:
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bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
ha CC doesn't like puzzles i guess...
CuddyCruiser comments on Apr 10, 2021:
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bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
ha CC doesn't like puzzles i guess...
Within the Atheist/Agnostic community, I see some overlapping agreement on topics as much as I see ...
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@barjoe "disbelievers"
meh, most often "believers of diff things" in my experience...
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
@barjoe "disbelievers"
meh, most often "believers of diff things" in my experience...
This is one of those sites you bookmark and use a reference to refute religious claims by others who...
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 10, 2021:
awesome ty
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
another https://biblicalhistoricalcontext.com/israelite-origins/israelite-origins-putting-away-childish-things/
"putting away childish things"
https://www.abarim-publications.com
this guy's insight into historical context is over the top imo
provides many great refutes of "common knowledge"
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 10, 2021:
awesome ty
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 10, 2021:
another https://biblicalhistoricalcontext.com/israelite-origins/israelite-origins-putting-away-childish-things/
"putting away childish things"
https://www.abarim-publications.com
this guy's insight into historical context is over the top imo
provides many great refutes of "common knowledge"
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I was recently told, quite vehemently, that there are no "lies of omission." But does this not apply here?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Gwendolyn2018 i might suggest that that is really why the Heb's "holy of holies" was an empty room...
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I was recently told, quite vehemently, that there are no "lies of omission." But does this not apply here?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Gwendolyn2018 i might suggest that that is really why the Heb's "holy of holies" was an empty room...
Within the Atheist/Agnostic community, I see some overlapping agreement on topics as much as I see ...
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@barjoe word. atheists are just diff believers, i reckon
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@barjoe word. atheists are just diff believers, i reckon
This one is for @KKGator...
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Every time I hear the nonsense repeated, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that flimflammed sheep still believe it, however I always know my response will be searing sarcasm.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Killtheskyfairy yeh, i tried that for about twenty years myself lol
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Every time I hear the nonsense repeated, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that flimflammed sheep still believe it, however I always know my response will be searing sarcasm.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Killtheskyfairy yeh, i tried that for about twenty years myself lol
That's progress for you.
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
In multiplying as much as they can, do bacteria intend on fouling their environment to the point where they can no longer multiply? (Being inhibited by their own waste products)
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
yikes good point rac
racocn8 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
In multiplying as much as they can, do bacteria intend on fouling their environment to the point where they can no longer multiply? (Being inhibited by their own waste products)
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
yikes good point rac
I couldn't resist stealing this one
It came with an additional caption of "don't hire millenials"
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I’ve had this happen with all generations so I’m usually specific to an insulting level so they can’t make a mistake. I work with French, Mexicans, Brazilians, etc. on daily basis so learned my lesson.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Killtheskyfairy narf
think he meant something else tho :)
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I’ve had this happen with all generations so I’m usually specific to an insulting level so they can’t make a mistake. I work with French, Mexicans, Brazilians, etc. on daily basis so learned my lesson.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Killtheskyfairy narf
think he meant something else tho :)
This one is for @KKGator...
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Every time I hear the nonsense repeated, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that flimflammed sheep still believe it, however I always know my response will be searing sarcasm.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
ah well then i guess you would at least be feeding yourself...
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Every time I hear the nonsense repeated, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that flimflammed sheep still believe it, however I always know my response will be searing sarcasm.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
ah well then i guess you would at least be feeding yourself...
The British novelist and poet Thomas Hardy in his verse called "God's Funeral"
And, tricked by ...
barjoe comments on Apr 8, 2021:
“I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers. That is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.”
Stephen Hawking
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
*No one has ever gone up to heaven...* i mean how much plainer does it need to be?
barjoe comments on Apr 8, 2021:
“I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers. That is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.”
Stephen Hawking
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
*No one has ever gone up to heaven...* i mean how much plainer does it need to be?
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GeorgeRocheleau comments on Apr 6, 2021:
I don't have doubts, I'm sure.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Canndue a fab gnostic declaration, yes
GeorgeRocheleau comments on Apr 6, 2021:
I don't have doubts, I'm sure.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Canndue a fab gnostic declaration, yes
Within the Atheist/Agnostic community, I see some overlapping agreement on topics as much as I see ...
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@barjoe hmm well i guess he might stump for the skeptic, but while we're on the subject just bc someone says "this a church" don't mean it fits the right definition either? I'm guessing the "skeptic" is fos too prolly...playing the skeptic i bet
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@barjoe hmm well i guess he might stump for the skeptic, but while we're on the subject just bc someone says "this a church" don't mean it fits the right definition either? I'm guessing the "skeptic" is fos too prolly...playing the skeptic i bet
Within the Atheist/Agnostic community, I see some overlapping agreement on topics as much as I see ...
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
google knows all...apparently "upper deer creek church"
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
What is UDC?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
google knows all...apparently "upper deer creek church"
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I was recently told, quite vehemently, that there are no "lies of omission." But does this not apply here?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Gwendolyn2018 ha and where are they now? dust in the wind eh
wadr "atheists" are just a different kind of gnostic believer, after all
i guess
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I was recently told, quite vehemently, that there are no "lies of omission." But does this not apply here?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Gwendolyn2018 ha and where are they now? dust in the wind eh
wadr "atheists" are just a different kind of gnostic believer, after all
i guess
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
i think the problem might be that you only start talking about forgery once you have insisted upon a literal reading, and looking for facts, like the (other kind) of believers do? So you end up being a believer yourself, of an opposite sort/fact, right?
So, if you can examine why you prefer to ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Fernapple well i guess it might seem that way, only it is prolly not that simple, and preachers are just conflicted ppl who have kids too, gotta eat too, etc. And who prolly realize the dangers of telling white ppl the truth, to boot. Seems weird, i know, but telling ppl (who are not ready) the truth is a bad idea, usually anyway
so what about when you got a bunch that *want* to be lied to, what then? Plus i imagine that most of the gnostics expressing some knowledge--k copeland et al--prolly actually believe their own bs anyway lol
same goes for scribes, who have translated our bibles into english. They were of course all staunch "believers," even chosen based upon that metric, and this is reflected in their poor choice of xlations, as any lexicon quickly makes clear; "lord" is an Englyshe land-holder, and possibly the very worst xlation for Yah, etc
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
i think the problem might be that you only start talking about forgery once you have insisted upon a literal reading, and looking for facts, like the (other kind) of believers do? So you end up being a believer yourself, of an opposite sort/fact, right?
So, if you can examine why you prefer to ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Fernapple well i guess it might seem that way, only it is prolly not that simple, and preachers are just conflicted ppl who have kids too, gotta eat too, etc. And who prolly realize the dangers of telling white ppl the truth, to boot. Seems weird, i know, but telling ppl (who are not ready) the truth is a bad idea, usually anyway
so what about when you got a bunch that *want* to be lied to, what then? Plus i imagine that most of the gnostics expressing some knowledge--k copeland et al--prolly actually believe their own bs anyway lol
same goes for scribes, who have translated our bibles into english. They were of course all staunch "believers," even chosen based upon that metric, and this is reflected in their poor choice of xlations, as any lexicon quickly makes clear; "lord" is an Englyshe land-holder, and possibly the very worst xlation for Yah, etc
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I was recently told, quite vehemently, that there are no "lies of omission." But does this not apply here?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Gwendolyn2018 i guess everyone prolly feels that way? But *go, and do likewise* was said of an "atheist," after all, after the priest and the levite had already walked by on the other side of the road eh. I mean how much plainer could "fuck religious ppl" be put?
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I was recently told, quite vehemently, that there are no "lies of omission." But does this not apply here?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Gwendolyn2018 i guess everyone prolly feels that way? But *go, and do likewise* was said of an "atheist," after all, after the priest and the levite had already walked by on the other side of the road eh. I mean how much plainer could "fuck religious ppl" be put?
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
ToakReon comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If your intention is that someone should believe that which is untrue, and your actions are intended to bring that about, then you are being dishonest.
How, fundamentally, can "I want him to believe X even though it's not true - so I will tell him X is true" be inherently different to "I want him...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@ToakReon ok, but "actively presented" by whom? Run from those ppl imo, *he who says that he knows anything, does not yet know as he ought*
ToakReon comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If your intention is that someone should believe that which is untrue, and your actions are intended to bring that about, then you are being dishonest.
How, fundamentally, can "I want him to believe X even though it's not true - so I will tell him X is true" be inherently different to "I want him...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@ToakReon ok, but "actively presented" by whom? Run from those ppl imo, *he who says that he knows anything, does not yet know as he ought*
Afterlife
Alienbeing comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I think Dawkins was right. After death you cease to exist. You have the same standing in the universe as you did before you were conceived i.e. none, you no longer exist.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
right out of the bible too :)
sorry
Alienbeing comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I think Dawkins was right. After death you cease to exist. You have the same standing in the universe as you did before you were conceived i.e. none, you no longer exist.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
right out of the bible too :)
sorry
Afterlife
GROG comments on Apr 9, 2021:
It is the age old mystery and fear of death and superstition which leads to the delusion of the soul. The spirit world, which we now call heaven, is but human imagination. It is delusional to seriously believe that heaven is out there somewhere, when it is only in the human mind. So, just as all ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
yeh imo it is a crime to be encasing bodies in cement and caskets and whatever eh?
GROG comments on Apr 9, 2021:
It is the age old mystery and fear of death and superstition which leads to the delusion of the soul. The spirit world, which we now call heaven, is but human imagination. It is delusional to seriously believe that heaven is out there somewhere, when it is only in the human mind. So, just as all ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
yeh imo it is a crime to be encasing bodies in cement and caskets and whatever eh?
Afterlife
xenoview comments on Apr 9, 2021:
We don't know what happens when we die. We don't know if there is an afterlife.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
an "afterlife" implies a...certain thing that lives, right
remember when you looked in a mirror and did not recognize your"self?"
before the age of about 18 months, iow?Native americans even have a ceremony for it
xenoview comments on Apr 9, 2021:
We don't know what happens when we die. We don't know if there is an afterlife.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
an "afterlife" implies a...certain thing that lives, right
remember when you looked in a mirror and did not recognize your"self?"
before the age of about 18 months, iow?Native americans even have a ceremony for it
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Fernapple "They must surely to some degree be doing a tapdance around the truth they do not want out in the open."
ha who gonna pay 10% (meant for the community storehouse anyway) of their income for "No one has ever gone up to heaven?" The very best cure for suckers is to get fleeced i guess
weird, i know
aight, my apologies for spamming your thread out lol, peace
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Fernapple "They must surely to some degree be doing a tapdance around the truth they do not want out in the open."
ha who gonna pay 10% (meant for the community storehouse anyway) of their income for "No one has ever gone up to heaven?" The very best cure for suckers is to get fleeced i guess
weird, i know
aight, my apologies for spamming your thread out lol, peace
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@barjoe "They believe what they've been taught to believe is true."
wadr preachers figure it out all of the time, too, and either gloss it to keep their comfy lives, or start telling the truth and lose their congregations (usually), and narf there is even a passage for this in the Bible
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@barjoe "They believe what they've been taught to believe is true."
wadr preachers figure it out all of the time, too, and either gloss it to keep their comfy lives, or start telling the truth and lose their congregations (usually), and narf there is even a passage for this in the Bible
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@CuddyCruiser rolleyes bc hindus and daoists are just terrible right lol
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@CuddyCruiser rolleyes bc hindus and daoists are just terrible right lol
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
ha but what happens when you tell (white) people the truth lol?
https://youtu.be/B4nmU0WHa1k
barjoe comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The whole Christian religion is based on a lie. I think priest believe it. They've been indoctrinated since birth.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
ha but what happens when you tell (white) people the truth lol?
https://youtu.be/B4nmU0WHa1k
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
editor20 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If they conceded that, they would be forced to also concede that there is precious little historical evidence for Jesus. So they have chosen the path of fantasy history.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Fernapple well, you found--ok, you rejected the lie, if you have not found the actual truth yet--and many others have rejected it, and the bible itself is plain enough on the matter, to anyone who reads it, so maybe victims just need to be victims a little longer?
I mean by all means rip on reality for as long as you need to ok, i see maybe fiveten more years of this for you? But reality is not going to change imo, all that will change is that the entire congregation of your last "church" will have turned over, prolly, and a new crop of "believers" will be listening to the same stories without hearing them, too
fishermen are like the least religious ppl ever eh, try selling fishermen that yack lol
editor20 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If they conceded that, they would be forced to also concede that there is precious little historical evidence for Jesus. So they have chosen the path of fantasy history.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Fernapple well, you found--ok, you rejected the lie, if you have not found the actual truth yet--and many others have rejected it, and the bible itself is plain enough on the matter, to anyone who reads it, so maybe victims just need to be victims a little longer?
I mean by all means rip on reality for as long as you need to ok, i see maybe fiveten more years of this for you? But reality is not going to change imo, all that will change is that the entire congregation of your last "church" will have turned over, prolly, and a new crop of "believers" will be listening to the same stories without hearing them, too
fishermen are like the least religious ppl ever eh, try selling fishermen that yack lol
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
RussRAB comments on Apr 9, 2021:
As a general question, I think the morality of not telling the whole truth depends on the intented outcome. Someone could withhold telling something embarrassing about themselves or someone else. Not every detail of someone's life needs to be exposed for all to see.
With the church, however, I ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
however "telling people the truth" usually doesnt work out so good i guess
RussRAB comments on Apr 9, 2021:
As a general question, I think the morality of not telling the whole truth depends on the intented outcome. Someone could withhold telling something embarrassing about themselves or someone else. Not every detail of someone's life needs to be exposed for all to see.
With the church, however, I ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
however "telling people the truth" usually doesnt work out so good i guess
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
ASTRALMAX comments on Apr 9, 2021:
It seems to me to equate with the zero-sum (winning and losing ) game and by omitting information it is ensured that the other party are losers. The ancient Egyptian priests were able to observe the rising water levels in underground wells and thereby they could predict a flooding of the Nile and ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
for that imo you would have to be in possession of the information that has been omitted, or at least be able to characterize it; are you able to do that?
*No son of man may die for another's sins
No one has ever gone up to heaven
There is only one immortal
He who seeks to save his soul shall lose it
All go to the same place*
ASTRALMAX comments on Apr 9, 2021:
It seems to me to equate with the zero-sum (winning and losing ) game and by omitting information it is ensured that the other party are losers. The ancient Egyptian priests were able to observe the rising water levels in underground wells and thereby they could predict a flooding of the Nile and ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
for that imo you would have to be in possession of the information that has been omitted, or at least be able to characterize it; are you able to do that?
*No son of man may die for another's sins
No one has ever gone up to heaven
There is only one immortal
He who seeks to save his soul shall lose it
All go to the same place*
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I was recently told, quite vehemently, that there are no "lies of omission." But does this not apply here?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Fernapple might also be morally motivated?
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
I was recently told, quite vehemently, that there are no "lies of omission." But does this not apply here?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Fernapple might also be morally motivated?
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
Kbdank71 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Morality is subjective. What one person finds immoral, another may not.
As for the bible, people believe what they want to believe. I'm almost certain that most people in the pews wouldn't care if they were told the gospels were anonymous.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
Dao stories are all anonymous, and no one is questioning the wisdom in them
may i suggest that authors may have been tagged on after the fact precisely bc they saw where greek thought was going, ie toward the "literal" and the "facts?" (iow those things desirous of someone to quote, etc)
Bc you don't write "walls of Jericho" when Jericho had no literal walls, for nothing, at least imo; everyone knew back then that Jericho had none, after all
Kbdank71 comments on Apr 9, 2021:
Morality is subjective. What one person finds immoral, another may not.
As for the bible, people believe what they want to believe. I'm almost certain that most people in the pews wouldn't care if they were told the gospels were anonymous.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
Dao stories are all anonymous, and no one is questioning the wisdom in them
may i suggest that authors may have been tagged on after the fact precisely bc they saw where greek thought was going, ie toward the "literal" and the "facts?" (iow those things desirous of someone to quote, etc)
Bc you don't write "walls of Jericho" when Jericho had no literal walls, for nothing, at least imo; everyone knew back then that Jericho had none, after all
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
ToakReon comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If your intention is that someone should believe that which is untrue, and your actions are intended to bring that about, then you are being dishonest.
How, fundamentally, can "I want him to believe X even though it's not true - so I will tell him X is true" be inherently different to "I want him...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
again, that only works if one is seeking literal facts, like believers do
but sure
ToakReon comments on Apr 9, 2021:
If your intention is that someone should believe that which is untrue, and your actions are intended to bring that about, then you are being dishonest.
How, fundamentally, can "I want him to believe X even though it's not true - so I will tell him X is true" be inherently different to "I want him...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
again, that only works if one is seeking literal facts, like believers do
but sure
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
xenoview comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The con never stops being one just because it's very old. Some people will lie when the truth would be better. They lie because it benefits them.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Deb57 and if you are not trying to present literal facts at all, but rather telling a deliberately fictional story--a la Dao or something--in order to make a point or embody some cultural wisdom, only ppl insist upon reading it literally, what then, iyo?
*how is it you did not know I was not talking about bread?*
xenoview comments on Apr 9, 2021:
The con never stops being one just because it's very old. Some people will lie when the truth would be better. They lie because it benefits them.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@Deb57 and if you are not trying to present literal facts at all, but rather telling a deliberately fictional story--a la Dao or something--in order to make a point or embody some cultural wisdom, only ppl insist upon reading it literally, what then, iyo?
*how is it you did not know I was not talking about bread?*
Gay couple that adopted a baby they found in the subway tells their heartwarming story / LGBTQ ...
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
baby=$, seems awful unlikely to find one on a city subway...wow, guess it happens fairly frequently? i'll be
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@snytiger6 yeh im just...severely socially ignorant, asperger's, so i guess im not considering some psychological aspect or whatever of having a baby, but i just assumed everyone knew that newborn healthy babies are worth a lot of money?
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
baby=$, seems awful unlikely to find one on a city subway...wow, guess it happens fairly frequently? i'll be
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
@snytiger6 yeh im just...severely socially ignorant, asperger's, so i guess im not considering some psychological aspect or whatever of having a baby, but i just assumed everyone knew that newborn healthy babies are worth a lot of money?
Is not telling the whole truth, morally the same as lying ?
MikeInBatonRouge comments on Apr 9, 2021:
...same as lying? Short answer: essentially yes. And passage time alone solidifies the con, quite the opposite of helping it melt away.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
i dunno, could a site like "agnostic.com" even have flourished 50 years ago, in America? France maybe. Imo if you reveal too much to believers you're just gonna get some other religion anyway, fascism prolly, which i guess is gonna happen anyway, but an important point might be that *you* saw the con, right, i see the con, the con is easy to find in the bible even ("*shearing sheep*," etc), so while it might sound weird i suggest that this "con" actually makes an agnostic life much easier maybe. Sheep need a religion imo, at least until they don't; or, what @xenoview is saying, below?
are you "pisteuo" elsewhere, bac?
MikeInBatonRouge comments on Apr 9, 2021:
...same as lying? Short answer: essentially yes. And passage time alone solidifies the con, quite the opposite of helping it melt away.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 9, 2021:
i dunno, could a site like "agnostic.com" even have flourished 50 years ago, in America? France maybe. Imo if you reveal too much to believers you're just gonna get some other religion anyway, fascism prolly, which i guess is gonna happen anyway, but an important point might be that *you* saw the con, right, i see the con, the con is easy to find in the bible even ("*shearing sheep*," etc), so while it might sound weird i suggest that this "con" actually makes an agnostic life much easier maybe. Sheep need a religion imo, at least until they don't; or, what @xenoview is saying, below?
are you "pisteuo" elsewhere, bac?
Study: Religious children are less able to distinguish fantasy from reality
St-Sinner comments on Mar 29, 2021:
Don't discriminate.
Same thing about children raised on Disney and other fairy tales. They develop a permanent Cinderella Syndrome. They keep hoping in their 40s, 50s and 60s that someone will come and rescue them. Religious and Atheists included.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@St-Sinner word
well, thats not really the Church
but whatevs
St-Sinner comments on Mar 29, 2021:
Don't discriminate.
Same thing about children raised on Disney and other fairy tales. They develop a permanent Cinderella Syndrome. They keep hoping in their 40s, 50s and 60s that someone will come and rescue them. Religious and Atheists included.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@St-Sinner word
well, thats not really the Church
but whatevs
Study: Religious children are less able to distinguish fantasy from reality
BufftonBeotch comments on Mar 30, 2021:
I still remember realizing that a large number of the adults around me believed that stories from the bible actually happened.
And I would not have been more dumbfounded if they had said Paul Bunyan existed.
It really shook me about their ability to be credible about anything.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@CuddyCruiser almost?
BufftonBeotch comments on Mar 30, 2021:
I still remember realizing that a large number of the adults around me believed that stories from the bible actually happened.
And I would not have been more dumbfounded if they had said Paul Bunyan existed.
It really shook me about their ability to be credible about anything.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@CuddyCruiser almost?
Study: Religious children are less able to distinguish fantasy from reality
LizZyG comments on Apr 2, 2021:
Adults put their hand on a book of fables & swear to an imaginary non-being that they will tell the truth. Supposedly serious minded & intelligent judges & barristers support this, and rely on the average JoeBlow Juror to be able to realise (despite their own beliefs) no one is telling the truth, if...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
hence *leave the world* i guess
LizZyG comments on Apr 2, 2021:
Adults put their hand on a book of fables & swear to an imaginary non-being that they will tell the truth. Supposedly serious minded & intelligent judges & barristers support this, and rely on the average JoeBlow Juror to be able to realise (despite their own beliefs) no one is telling the truth, if...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
hence *leave the world* i guess
Questions to religious people
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
I don't try to crash their beliefs. I don't evangelize.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
thats actually illegal in Israel and the mideast i guess
Gwendolyn2018 comments on Apr 8, 2021:
I don't try to crash their beliefs. I don't evangelize.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
thats actually illegal in Israel and the mideast i guess
I suppose that laughter might just be the best medicine...
Lilac-JadeCanada comments on Feb 16, 2021:
You'll need negative tests after quarantining in a designated hotel for 2 weeks....at your expense.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
man, i hope you guys are just kidding
Lilac-JadeCanada comments on Feb 16, 2021:
You'll need negative tests after quarantining in a designated hotel for 2 weeks....at your expense.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
man, i hope you guys are just kidding
What’s your thoughts on childhood indoctrination?
KKGator comments on Apr 29, 2018:
Religious indoctrination is child abuse and should be criminalized. Period.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
heil baby
KKGator comments on Apr 29, 2018:
Religious indoctrination is child abuse and should be criminalized. Period.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
heil baby
It Just Does Not Stop Coming:
[dailykos.com]
The-Krzyz comments on Apr 8, 2021:
So, where are the christian alternative exercise programs? I mean ones that don’t end with crucifixion ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
*good fruit doesn't come from bad trees* indeed eh :)
The-Krzyz comments on Apr 8, 2021:
So, where are the christian alternative exercise programs? I mean ones that don’t end with crucifixion ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
*good fruit doesn't come from bad trees* indeed eh :)
How difficult a concept is this to grasp?
racocn8 comments on Apr 6, 2021:
There are no explanations. We have hypotheses that are supported by facts to varying degrees.
Claims of a god or a creator aren't even hypotheses because they explain nothing and are unfalsifiable. These claims seek to end inquiry, and not to increase understanding.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@racocn8 "The proof that Humans evolved from lower forms invalidates the Genesis story"
ah, you think so? How?
"Showing Original Sin has no basis similarly invalidates the dogma of a Christ-Savior being needed to atone for that Original Sin."
well, *No son of man may die for another's sins* is pretty clear i guess, yeh
once you get it anyway
"religion poisons *everything*"
racocn8 comments on Apr 6, 2021:
There are no explanations. We have hypotheses that are supported by facts to varying degrees.
Claims of a god or a creator aren't even hypotheses because they explain nothing and are unfalsifiable. These claims seek to end inquiry, and not to increase understanding.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 8, 2021:
@racocn8 "The proof that Humans evolved from lower forms invalidates the Genesis story"
ah, you think so? How?
"Showing Original Sin has no basis similarly invalidates the dogma of a Christ-Savior being needed to atone for that Original Sin."
well, *No son of man may die for another's sins* is pretty clear i guess, yeh
once you get it anyway
"religion poisons *everything*"
How difficult a concept is this to grasp?
Julie808 comments on Apr 7, 2021:
Yep, it goes back to the question, "If God created the universe, then who or what created God?"
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
"God" being firmly defined there, of course
ok
Julie808 comments on Apr 7, 2021:
Yep, it goes back to the question, "If God created the universe, then who or what created God?"
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
"God" being firmly defined there, of course
ok
How difficult a concept is this to grasp?
racocn8 comments on Apr 6, 2021:
There are no explanations. We have hypotheses that are supported by facts to varying degrees.
Claims of a god or a creator aren't even hypotheses because they explain nothing and are unfalsifiable. These claims seek to end inquiry, and not to increase understanding.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
well, or so you currently believe anyway, sure
imo i would understand that the opposite must also then be true; "Claims of no god or creator aren't even hypotheses because they explain nothing and are unfalsifiable."
gave you a like for part one tho :)
racocn8 comments on Apr 6, 2021:
There are no explanations. We have hypotheses that are supported by facts to varying degrees.
Claims of a god or a creator aren't even hypotheses because they explain nothing and are unfalsifiable. These claims seek to end inquiry, and not to increase understanding.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
well, or so you currently believe anyway, sure
imo i would understand that the opposite must also then be true; "Claims of no god or creator aren't even hypotheses because they explain nothing and are unfalsifiable."
gave you a like for part one tho :)
How difficult a concept is this to grasp?
bookofmorons comments on Apr 6, 2021:
Point Set Match. Have used that argument many times usually to the stuttered response of the faithful
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
ppl who cant find 95% of creation, thinking they can splain stuff, lol
bookofmorons comments on Apr 6, 2021:
Point Set Match. Have used that argument many times usually to the stuttered response of the faithful
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
ppl who cant find 95% of creation, thinking they can splain stuff, lol
How difficult a concept is this to grasp?
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 7, 2021:
we do like to splain stuff huh
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
it's a gnostic thing, i guess :)
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 7, 2021:
we do like to splain stuff huh
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
it's a gnostic thing, i guess :)
Christians Aren’t Helping Hospital Workers With Prayer Events in Parking Lots | Beth Stoneburner |...
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 7, 2021:
i gotta ask "what has a hospital done for you lately, other than charge you $400 for a couple tylenol?"
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
@snytiger6 ha ours has pretty good food too. Im curious if they gave you arsenic, or no? Or iow how did they save you?
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 7, 2021:
i gotta ask "what has a hospital done for you lately, other than charge you $400 for a couple tylenol?"
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
@snytiger6 ha ours has pretty good food too. Im curious if they gave you arsenic, or no? Or iow how did they save you?
Just checking to see who else is nerdy enough to get this reference
Theresa_N comments on Apr 7, 2021:
I thought I was pretty nerdy, but I guess I'm not.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
@OldMetalHead ah well if you could send the biggest Rick and Morty fan here that would be great! Oh and if she has a truck, could you send a picture of the truck pls narf
Theresa_N comments on Apr 7, 2021:
I thought I was pretty nerdy, but I guess I'm not.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
@OldMetalHead ah well if you could send the biggest Rick and Morty fan here that would be great! Oh and if she has a truck, could you send a picture of the truck pls narf
Just checking to see who else is nerdy enough to get this reference
Theresa_N comments on Apr 7, 2021:
I thought I was pretty nerdy, but I guess I'm not.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
@OldMetalHead does she have a sister :D
Theresa_N comments on Apr 7, 2021:
I thought I was pretty nerdy, but I guess I'm not.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
@OldMetalHead does she have a sister :D
Just checking to see who else is nerdy enough to get this reference
Theresa_N comments on Apr 7, 2021:
I thought I was pretty nerdy, but I guess I'm not.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
not sure "nerdy" is the best choice there... @Theresa_N dont be too surprised if you dont like it, pitched mostly at guys i think
Theresa_N comments on Apr 7, 2021:
I thought I was pretty nerdy, but I guess I'm not.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
not sure "nerdy" is the best choice there... @Theresa_N dont be too surprised if you dont like it, pitched mostly at guys i think
Christians Aren’t Helping Hospital Workers With Prayer Events in Parking Lots | Beth Stoneburner |...
CuddyCruiser comments on Apr 6, 2021:
There is nothing shocking anymore about what these crumbskulls do, or don’t do for that matter.
Obviously somethings going on in their heads that no one but them can ever comprehend.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
isnt that kinda true about* everyone *else, at least on some level?
CuddyCruiser comments on Apr 6, 2021:
There is nothing shocking anymore about what these crumbskulls do, or don’t do for that matter.
Obviously somethings going on in their heads that no one but them can ever comprehend.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
isnt that kinda true about* everyone *else, at least on some level?
Christians Aren’t Helping Hospital Workers With Prayer Events in Parking Lots | Beth Stoneburner |...
JackPedigo comments on Apr 7, 2021:
It seems, with 'these people' give someone an inch and they take a mile attitude. It could very well be the crash of religion is leading to some real desperation and trying to shove their crap down everyone's throats. I say good as this only makes things worse, for them.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
hmm; masks are mandatory, going to hospitals is not?
JackPedigo comments on Apr 7, 2021:
It seems, with 'these people' give someone an inch and they take a mile attitude. It could very well be the crash of religion is leading to some real desperation and trying to shove their crap down everyone's throats. I say good as this only makes things worse, for them.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
hmm; masks are mandatory, going to hospitals is not?
atheist something to think about
Fernapple comments on Apr 7, 2021:
Flattery will get you anything.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
winner
Fernapple comments on Apr 7, 2021:
Flattery will get you anything.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
winner
atheist something to think about
CuddyCruiser comments on Apr 7, 2021:
Awesome!!!
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
*Go, and do likewise* was said of an "atheist" fwiw
CuddyCruiser comments on Apr 7, 2021:
Awesome!!!
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 7, 2021:
*Go, and do likewise* was said of an "atheist" fwiw
Huh-za, huh-za.
MichelleGar1 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
Congratulations, almost there!!!! 💐🍾🎉🎈🎊
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 6, 2021:
@Robecology well, it would be considered attention-seeking prolly? like if you chose to call yourself "well-hung stud" or something
MichelleGar1 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
Congratulations, almost there!!!! 💐🍾🎉🎈🎊
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 6, 2021:
@Robecology well, it would be considered attention-seeking prolly? like if you chose to call yourself "well-hung stud" or something
[arcane-alchemy.
whiskywoman comments on Apr 5, 2021:
why make such a big fucking deal say happy easter and be done no need to grumble and tell them about how you feel or that you don't believe as they do now self absorbed and selfish are you a polite thanks you too is all that is required and then let it go don't dwell on how stupid they ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
hmm i usually get called a pussy, refreshing change :)
whiskywoman comments on Apr 5, 2021:
why make such a big fucking deal say happy easter and be done no need to grumble and tell them about how you feel or that you don't believe as they do now self absorbed and selfish are you a polite thanks you too is all that is required and then let it go don't dwell on how stupid they ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
hmm i usually get called a pussy, refreshing change :)
[arcane-alchemy.
MsDemeanour comments on Apr 4, 2021:
Well I don't know anyone who went to church but I say Happy EAster even to the Hindus down at the servo.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
are hindus cool or what
MsDemeanour comments on Apr 4, 2021:
Well I don't know anyone who went to church but I say Happy EAster even to the Hindus down at the servo.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
are hindus cool or what
[arcane-alchemy.
Fernapple comments on Apr 4, 2021:
And all the joys of the season to you. (Especially if you live in the Northern hemisphere. )
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
the southrun kinda lookin better every year maybe huh
wow, 90/10 pop distribution, who knew
Fernapple comments on Apr 4, 2021:
And all the joys of the season to you. (Especially if you live in the Northern hemisphere. )
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
the southrun kinda lookin better every year maybe huh
wow, 90/10 pop distribution, who knew
Alan Watts - Jesus, His Religion - YouTube
MikeInBatonRouge comments on Apr 5, 2021:
Right. He does cover a lot, and it is thought-provoking. What sticks out for me (after a night's sleep with whichcto forget most) is the notion of just how far the church has defined what it wanted its main message to be, distinctly and apart from what it may have originally been. The Jesus ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
*"...and everyone is forcing their way into it."*
i mean he did choose fishermen as disciples, and saved his best praise for "atheists" (samaritans) and "pagans" (roman centurions) eh
MikeInBatonRouge comments on Apr 5, 2021:
Right. He does cover a lot, and it is thought-provoking. What sticks out for me (after a night's sleep with whichcto forget most) is the notion of just how far the church has defined what it wanted its main message to be, distinctly and apart from what it may have originally been. The Jesus ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
*"...and everyone is forcing their way into it."*
i mean he did choose fishermen as disciples, and saved his best praise for "atheists" (samaritans) and "pagans" (roman centurions) eh
Creationists Lash Out After Professor Demands “Higher Standards” in Science Ed | Hemant Mehta | ...
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
well, or at least *Christian* views eh, as the biblical view might as easily fit with evolution?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
an image of God?
the dust of the earth?
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
well, or at least *Christian* views eh, as the biblical view might as easily fit with evolution?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
an image of God?
the dust of the earth?
Huh-za, huh-za.
MichelleGar1 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
Congratulations, almost there!!!! 💐🍾🎉🎈🎊
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
@Robecology um, yikes?
but i guess the hint was plain enough in "cutiebeauty" anyway
MichelleGar1 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
Congratulations, almost there!!!! 💐🍾🎉🎈🎊
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
@Robecology um, yikes?
but i guess the hint was plain enough in "cutiebeauty" anyway
Where’d he go?!
Diogenes comments on Apr 4, 2021:
"Coming back from the dead"! Hey, enjoy the comedy.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
@Diogenes "All a person has to do about any religion is to ask a few basic questions. "Noah and his arc"! It raind for 40 days and nights; what did the lions eat?"
well i guess that *would* be a "religious" question, yeh; i can't see how it would get anyone any closer to the truth though. "Noah" is a girl anyway! So wadr there is a valid mythology in Noach that we are not even approaching i guess
"This week there were about 13 people with signs protesting the serum. I still don't know whether there wasnt enough, or whether they didn't want to take it. One of them asked me if I was Catholic. Why? Don't know! I explained, I had no interest in any religion- I was agnostic. Her words, "sign of the beast". I love meeting comedians--- even if they are crazy!"
hmm, asked you if you were catholic, apropos of what (action or declaration)? ty
but the comparo of "immunizations" to fascism has already been aired i guess, although i'm not sure of the context for her saying "sign of the beast" either; the serum itself, or the lack of it?
Diogenes comments on Apr 4, 2021:
"Coming back from the dead"! Hey, enjoy the comedy.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
@Diogenes "All a person has to do about any religion is to ask a few basic questions. "Noah and his arc"! It raind for 40 days and nights; what did the lions eat?"
well i guess that *would* be a "religious" question, yeh; i can't see how it would get anyone any closer to the truth though. "Noah" is a girl anyway! So wadr there is a valid mythology in Noach that we are not even approaching i guess
"This week there were about 13 people with signs protesting the serum. I still don't know whether there wasnt enough, or whether they didn't want to take it. One of them asked me if I was Catholic. Why? Don't know! I explained, I had no interest in any religion- I was agnostic. Her words, "sign of the beast". I love meeting comedians--- even if they are crazy!"
hmm, asked you if you were catholic, apropos of what (action or declaration)? ty
but the comparo of "immunizations" to fascism has already been aired i guess, although i'm not sure of the context for her saying "sign of the beast" either; the serum itself, or the lack of it?
Creationists Lash Out After Professor Demands “Higher Standards” in Science Ed | Hemant Mehta | ...
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
well, or at least *Christian* views eh, as the biblical view might as easily fit with evolution?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
@snytiger6 ok ty
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
well, or at least *Christian* views eh, as the biblical view might as easily fit with evolution?
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 5, 2021:
@snytiger6 ok ty
Brilliant, but bat-shit crazy...
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2021:
What a waste to have spent so much of his life and intellect on ridiculous claptrap.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
@phxbillcee ya, even trying to interp the Bible symbolically was prolly pretty chancey back then i guess
racocn8 comments on Apr 2, 2021:
What a waste to have spent so much of his life and intellect on ridiculous claptrap.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
@phxbillcee ya, even trying to interp the Bible symbolically was prolly pretty chancey back then i guess
Did Dr. Fauci tell you this?
racocn8 comments on Apr 3, 2021:
For those who won't wear a mask, perhaps they'd prefer a gag, blindfold and pure nitrogen gas.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
i'd like to revisit this once the superbugs have started manifesting...
racocn8 comments on Apr 3, 2021:
For those who won't wear a mask, perhaps they'd prefer a gag, blindfold and pure nitrogen gas.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
i'd like to revisit this once the superbugs have started manifesting...
Where’d he go?!
Diogenes comments on Apr 4, 2021:
"Coming back from the dead"! Hey, enjoy the comedy.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
ha well 2k years later and we're still talking about him
fairly impressive any way you cut it imo
Diogenes comments on Apr 4, 2021:
"Coming back from the dead"! Hey, enjoy the comedy.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
ha well 2k years later and we're still talking about him
fairly impressive any way you cut it imo
Huh-za, huh-za.
MichelleGar1 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
Congratulations, almost there!!!! 💐🍾🎉🎈🎊
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
@MichelleGar1 hope cuteybeauty is ok, she did stop quite suddenly huh
MichelleGar1 comments on Apr 4, 2021:
Congratulations, almost there!!!! 💐🍾🎉🎈🎊
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
@MichelleGar1 hope cuteybeauty is ok, she did stop quite suddenly huh
Preacher: Christians Should Trust “Prophets” Who Said Trump Won the Election | Beth Stoneburner ...
linxminx comments on Apr 4, 2021:
"I am sensing by the signs being given..." that this guy is a malignant narcissist. He's really going to hurt some people.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
pain is maybe the best teacher i guess?
linxminx comments on Apr 4, 2021:
"I am sensing by the signs being given..." that this guy is a malignant narcissist. He's really going to hurt some people.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
pain is maybe the best teacher i guess?
Preacher: Christians Should Trust “Prophets” Who Said Trump Won the Election | Beth Stoneburner ...
CourtJester comments on Apr 4, 2021:
He’s not wrong.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
ah, how so?
CourtJester comments on Apr 4, 2021:
He’s not wrong.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
ah, how so?
And waiting.. and waiting..
Castlepaloma comments on Apr 1, 2021:
What about all the ones who claimed to have witnessed him. Although some say that about Elvis.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
@Castlepaloma ah ok, we started on Jesus so i got confused there i guess.
Castlepaloma comments on Apr 1, 2021:
What about all the ones who claimed to have witnessed him. Although some say that about Elvis.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 4, 2021:
@Castlepaloma ah ok, we started on Jesus so i got confused there i guess.
Christ! We're eating here!
Paddypereira comments on Apr 3, 2021:
Cannibalism... hmmmm!!!
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
i know right
Paddypereira comments on Apr 3, 2021:
Cannibalism... hmmmm!!!
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
i know right
Christ! We're eating here!
linxminx comments on Apr 3, 2021:
If you look into the evolution of these rituals, the primary focus isn't in the elements of the ritual, but with the power given to the priest/minister/whomever delivering the elements of the ritual.
It's all about giving certain individuals power and control. These rituals are symbolic to show ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
@linxminx i think it makes a good marker myself; how does one interpret "remember me when you eat bread and drink juice?" and if one chooses to make some ritual out of that, well then there you go?
linxminx comments on Apr 3, 2021:
If you look into the evolution of these rituals, the primary focus isn't in the elements of the ritual, but with the power given to the priest/minister/whomever delivering the elements of the ritual.
It's all about giving certain individuals power and control. These rituals are symbolic to show ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
@linxminx i think it makes a good marker myself; how does one interpret "remember me when you eat bread and drink juice?" and if one chooses to make some ritual out of that, well then there you go?
Christ! We're eating here!
linxminx comments on Apr 3, 2021:
If you look into the evolution of these rituals, the primary focus isn't in the elements of the ritual, but with the power given to the priest/minister/whomever delivering the elements of the ritual.
It's all about giving certain individuals power and control. These rituals are symbolic to show ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
yet the Bible deems *us* the priests, firmly argues against calling another human "father," etc...plus i'm pretty sure "eating bread and drinking grape juice" have maybe been misunderstood
linxminx comments on Apr 3, 2021:
If you look into the evolution of these rituals, the primary focus isn't in the elements of the ritual, but with the power given to the priest/minister/whomever delivering the elements of the ritual.
It's all about giving certain individuals power and control. These rituals are symbolic to show ...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
yet the Bible deems *us* the priests, firmly argues against calling another human "father," etc...plus i'm pretty sure "eating bread and drinking grape juice" have maybe been misunderstood
Right tool for the job
phxbillcee comments on Apr 2, 2021:
The man knows his stuff!
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
except *tekton* doesn't mean "carpenter..."
phxbillcee comments on Apr 2, 2021:
The man knows his stuff!
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
except *tekton* doesn't mean "carpenter..."
Did you ever wonder where in the story the Easter Bunny comes from?...
phxbillcee comments on Apr 3, 2021:
Makes as much sense as much of the rest of that story.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
ha but we *know* the easter bunny is contrived right
phxbillcee comments on Apr 3, 2021:
Makes as much sense as much of the rest of that story.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
ha but we *know* the easter bunny is contrived right
And good riddance too...
phxbillcee comments on Apr 3, 2021:
Oh, if only we had the sense to run god belief off the planet!
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
may i suggest that God-believers are irrelevant, and that it is gnostics that are maybe the problem
phxbillcee comments on Apr 3, 2021:
Oh, if only we had the sense to run god belief off the planet!
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
may i suggest that God-believers are irrelevant, and that it is gnostics that are maybe the problem
And waiting.. and waiting..
Castlepaloma comments on Apr 1, 2021:
What about all the ones who claimed to have witnessed him. Although some say that about Elvis.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
@Castlepaloma i think the point is that we *want* the cult of sol invictus ("Christians") to be in fear of "the Lord" ("baal") until they mature at least; or "*to the evil, I am evil*" iow
"I thought it was the devil lurking around every corner or..."
you thought *what* was the devil lurking? sorry
Castlepaloma comments on Apr 1, 2021:
What about all the ones who claimed to have witnessed him. Although some say that about Elvis.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
@Castlepaloma i think the point is that we *want* the cult of sol invictus ("Christians") to be in fear of "the Lord" ("baal") until they mature at least; or "*to the evil, I am evil*" iow
"I thought it was the devil lurking around every corner or..."
you thought *what* was the devil lurking? sorry
[danielharper.
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 2, 2021:
"...and ones mind is easily overwhelmed by the quagmire of absolute certainty and authority with which..."
"...and people will realize what the actual truth really is:
We are simply an accident here, and we are all alone here..."
best of luck with that ok
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
@EarnestEccentric well, they scold about "absolute certainty" and then go on to spout "what the actual truth really is" in the very next sentence
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 2, 2021:
"...and ones mind is easily overwhelmed by the quagmire of absolute certainty and authority with which..."
"...and people will realize what the actual truth really is:
We are simply an accident here, and we are all alone here..."
best of luck with that ok
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 3, 2021:
@EarnestEccentric well, they scold about "absolute certainty" and then go on to spout "what the actual truth really is" in the very next sentence
[danielharper.
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 2, 2021:
"...and ones mind is easily overwhelmed by the quagmire of absolute certainty and authority with which..."
"...and people will realize what the actual truth really is:
We are simply an accident here, and we are all alone here..."
best of luck with that ok
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
@EarnestEccentric i'm thinking maybe you missed the hypocrisy there, where i quoted?
bbyrd009 comments on Apr 2, 2021:
"...and ones mind is easily overwhelmed by the quagmire of absolute certainty and authority with which..."
"...and people will realize what the actual truth really is:
We are simply an accident here, and we are all alone here..."
best of luck with that ok
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
@EarnestEccentric i'm thinking maybe you missed the hypocrisy there, where i quoted?
Johns Hopkins clinical pharmacologist Roland Griffiths talks about a major new study hinting at ...
Beowulfsfriend comments on Apr 2, 2021:
The use of psychedelics is slowly becoming more used. Not common by any means. They've been tested for a number of years. They work, if properly trained people administer them.
The way the American health system works is - lots of prejudices against new stuff and, of course, up front costs.
...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
i think many at least far eastern countries have been prescribing lsd for years?
Beowulfsfriend comments on Apr 2, 2021:
The use of psychedelics is slowly becoming more used. Not common by any means. They've been tested for a number of years. They work, if properly trained people administer them.
The way the American health system works is - lots of prejudices against new stuff and, of course, up front costs.
...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
i think many at least far eastern countries have been prescribing lsd for years?
[danielharper.
bookofmorons comments on Apr 2, 2021:
religious thought is only open if you abandon your existing beliefs to follow theirs
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
as opposed to the Bible, *test everything, and keep what is good*
bookofmorons comments on Apr 2, 2021:
religious thought is only open if you abandon your existing beliefs to follow theirs
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
as opposed to the Bible, *test everything, and keep what is good*
And waiting.. and waiting..
Castlepaloma comments on Apr 1, 2021:
What about all the ones who claimed to have witnessed him. Although some say that about Elvis.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
@Castlepaloma well, i guess i could post the # of vv on love (over 2x fear i think), but suffice it to say that if you found the fear part, then fear it is!
but really *there is no fear in love* i guess, and wadr even fear of Yah is only *the beginning of wisdom,* which likely means "not the end of it"
there's a few ways to get there; i mean how do you fear something that cannot be defined? etc, but tbh i'd sooner go with Doug! :D (i mean at least as long as one is a gnostic)
Castlepaloma comments on Apr 1, 2021:
What about all the ones who claimed to have witnessed him. Although some say that about Elvis.
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
@Castlepaloma well, i guess i could post the # of vv on love (over 2x fear i think), but suffice it to say that if you found the fear part, then fear it is!
but really *there is no fear in love* i guess, and wadr even fear of Yah is only *the beginning of wisdom,* which likely means "not the end of it"
there's a few ways to get there; i mean how do you fear something that cannot be defined? etc, but tbh i'd sooner go with Doug! :D (i mean at least as long as one is a gnostic)
Somebody has an attitude.
phxbillcee comments on Apr 2, 2021:
Even the bibble can't get this right...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
it's intentional, wadr
phxbillcee comments on Apr 2, 2021:
Even the bibble can't get this right...
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
it's intentional, wadr
Why does everyone have to take things so literally?
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 2, 2021:
I guess it’s the logical thing to do to scammers, bums, and grifters..🥴
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
you are kinda close to a truth there imo; what is the best thing to give someone seeking immortality?
Killtheskyfairy comments on Apr 2, 2021:
I guess it’s the logical thing to do to scammers, bums, and grifters..🥴
bbyrd009 replies on Apr 2, 2021:
you are kinda close to a truth there imo; what is the best thing to give someone seeking immortality?
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