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Is there anyone here that values the teachings of the bible, but rejects it's supernatural elements?

bbyrd009 comments on Nov 21, 2018:

ya, we have turned faith into beliefs but it is likely meant to be much closer to what we would now tell someone who has never flown on a plane before, and is apprehensive about it; iow, "the dangerous part was the trip here in the car." http://www.abarim-publications.com/DictionaryG/p/p-e-i-th-om.html#.W_W7F-hKiUk

When you are born atheist❣

bbyrd009 comments on Nov 11, 2018:

atheist.com

Is there anyone here that values the teachings of the bible, but rejects it's supernatural elements?

bbyrd009 comments on Oct 30, 2018:

Definitely, and fwiw trust that God hates religion even more than we do. Virtually none of the things that Christians even believe are anywhere to be found in the Bible. http://www.abarim-publications.com/index.html#.W9h87JNKiUk is one good source imo

My social skills aren't exactly finely honed, so i'm wondering if I can get a few takes on this.

bbyrd009 comments on Oct 26, 2018:

imo you prolly turn him on but you have indicated no desire for him at all i bet, right

Ted Nugent bars guns from his concert in last-minute switch

bbyrd009 comments on Jul 19, 2018:

hilarious. another "legit hypocrite" lol

Logic and reason are half of a true debate.

bbyrd009 comments on Jul 19, 2018:

"to the lobsters in the galley, the sinking of the Titanic was a miracle."

Not to offend Americans but i don't like it when they call football Soccer and their own NFL real ...

bbyrd009 comments on Jul 19, 2018:

ya, we pretty much do the same thing to any term, "American" etc, bc after all, it's all about US! :D

I’m finding it impossible to get along with evangelical individuals.

bbyrd009 comments on Jul 12, 2018:

Christians are mostly worshipping Sol without realizing it, yeh. The Cult of Sol descended from Mithraism, and the RCC brought it into the "church." You might ask them how they imagine that the part of them that is supposed to "die"--the ego--could possibly be admitted into some party in the "afterlife" (Valhalla, etc). Another one is, the Witch of Endor called up Samuel and he came up *from the earth*, 'But the king said to her, "Don't be afraid. What do you see?" "I see a spirit form coming up out of the earth," the woman answered.' i have lots of other Bible tidbits to piss off the religious, if they are still talking to you after those :D

I've read two books that I thought were enlightening about the nature of Christianity and the ...

bbyrd009 comments on Jun 14, 2018:

the Bible is "hidden from the wise" because they insist upon reading logically, and "seminary scholars" are the worst of the bunch i guess :)

Bitcoin backlash

bbyrd009 comments on May 28, 2018:

blockchain is here to stay. You might weight the current cost of the promissory note you are now using--both Lincoln and Kennedy were offed for attempting legit fiat, right--which is, what $21Trillion and counting? basically hollowed out iow--and see how they compare maybe. It will take 100% of GDP to service the debt in less than ten years at our present rate. Know what that means?

Ramingo's Porch Literary Magazine Issue 3

bbyrd009 comments on May 28, 2018:

can we get a taste? :D

Being from small-town West Virginia I think being from here has helped to teach me some ...

bbyrd009 comments on May 21, 2018:

hmm, you look more like a Bard anyway imo :)

Let's say "God" does exist.

bbyrd009 comments on May 17, 2018:

Bc men can beat women up, essentially, so God, Who is not a person and has no sex, is being anthropomorphised in order to present Him as the One to follow. It is strictly a construct iow; God is not a "he." "*There are no male or female in the kingdom.*" So, great reason to abandon religion imo, as that is a religious appropriation, but even the Bible argues against that.

Noah's Ark, Kangaroos and Australia

bbyrd009 comments on May 17, 2018:

all that goes away when Noach is understood symbolically rather than literally though, fwiw. (Noah is actually a girl, but nevermind) There are thousands of flood myths, and Noah was just a culmination of them, never meant to be taken literally

What is the best way to get people to see the gradients in the world around them instead of just a ...

bbyrd009 comments on May 17, 2018:

ah, the knowledge of good and evil, lol. the Dao is good for this imo, if the Bible is not...accessible to someone, for whatever reason. Say if one has accepted the definitions of the religious or whatever--Paul's "wolves"--so that It is now closed to them. But it is condemned nonetheless, as "judging others" etc

Can anybody ever remember being told not to read the Old Testament of the Bible?

bbyrd009 comments on May 15, 2018:

yes, lol. I guess bc "the blind lead the blind" is in that part? lol

"And a Man wrestled with him until dawn The genius of the Torah lies not merely in its stories, but...

bbyrd009 comments on May 11, 2018:

Mythology--which is not *myth* as we define it today--is the best way to communicate truth :)

Rules of Logic.

bbyrd009 comments on May 10, 2018:

"Logic" = *Sea of Reeds* (the *papyrus* that your principles are written on, so to speak; as has already been noted, the list is endless IRL)

Rules of Logic.

bbyrd009 comments on May 10, 2018:

It is important to understand that as a Westerner, your thought processes are vastly different from those who have been raised to reason dialectically, as Orientals (and the Jewish writers) were: "...Dialectical reasoning is actually opposed to formal logic in many ways. Western Logic Versus Eastern Dialecticism Aristotle placed at the foundations of logical thought the following three propositions. 1. Identity: A = A. Whatever is, is. A is itself and not some other thing. 2. Noncontradiction: A and not A can't both be the case. Nothing can both be and not be. A proposition and its opposite can't both be true. 3. Excluded middle: Everything must either be or not be. A or not A can be true but not something in between. Modern Westerners accept these propositions (but Easterners do not)... ...three principles underlie Eastern dialecticism. Notice I didn't say "propositions..." the term "proposition" has much too formal a ring for what is a generalized stance toward the world rather than a set of ironclad rules. 1. Principle of change: Reality is a process of change. What is currently true will shortly be false. 2. Principle of contradiction: Contradiction is the dynamic underlying change. Because change is constant, contradiction is constant. 3. Principle of relationships (or holism): The whole is more than the sum of its parts. Parts are meaningful only in relation to the whole... These principles are intimately linked... The principles also imply another important tenet of Eastern thought, which is the insistence on finding the "middle way" between extreme propositions... ...and Talmudic scholars developed it over the next two millennia and more. "Mindware" Richard E. Nisbett, pp. 224-5

Another confusing matter about religion

bbyrd009 comments on May 5, 2018:

"So 1, why would He want to be worshiped?" He doesn't, not ritually anyway, "I desire mercy, not sacrifice." Two "Greeks" came to worship Jesus, and He "hid from them." i could go on, for the rest of the day prolly "where there is a body, there the vultures will gather" "2, why would He ever bring hell fire and brimstone?" depends upon what you are really asking, Sodom hellfire or afterlife hellfire?

This is God's response to child rape.

bbyrd009 comments on May 5, 2018:

rolleyes

Any auto mechanics in the house?

bbyrd009 comments on May 4, 2018:

changed tranny fluid lately? inspect/upgrade tranny cooler too. cooling system might need attn, but i smell tranny stuff there tbh, common prob

As a human, are you an outside observer of the universe, or are you a piece of the universe ...

bbyrd009 comments on May 4, 2018:

yes

I'm gonna quote my favorite author, Robert Heinlein.

bbyrd009 comments on May 3, 2018:

501 = 6 c3 = 6 1023 = 6

"Everything you know about the Bible is wrong" [abarim-publications.com]

bbyrd009 comments on May 3, 2018:

a point i should make here is that if you are still as obsessed with an afterlife as, say, the Pharaohs, or ancient Chinese Emperors were, you are going to be disappointed; *Understand I AM*

"Everything you know about the Bible is wrong" [abarim-publications.com]

bbyrd009 comments on May 3, 2018:

*"No one knows where they go when they die" "All go to the same place" "You and your sons will be here with me"* now go and find a "Christian" who is reading you any of these things

Was Jesus a real person?

bbyrd009 comments on May 2, 2018:

"Jesus of Nazareth" was a great way to express "John Doe, from Nowhere," and believe it or not your perspective is mirrored all over the Bible, in code though; "where the body is, there the vultures will gather," etc. How could Muhammad say "Jesus did not die," and "Follow Christ or be doomed," in the same Book? One must ask. "John Doe out of Nowhere" is in here, somewhere http://www.abarim-publications.com/Bible-Evolution.html#.WunIiIgvyUk

When arguing with a faither (a deeply religious person), against the precepts of their religion, ...

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 30, 2018:

the Bible will tell you not to do this--debate with the deceived--but since that is hard to illuminate to a blind person (the blind lead the blind), you might get familiar with the cult of Sol Invictus, which your dad is surely engaged in--"death more abundantly," to put it briefly; the Romans just altered Mithraism and inserted it into Christianity--and you could maybe ask him how he imagines that the part of him that is supposed to die--his ego--might possibly make it into any "heaven" in the afterlife? Which is nowhere in the Bible btw; *all go to the same place no one knows where they go when they die no Son of Man may die for another's sins* but you won't make any headway doing this ok, you can only further alienate your father doing this. He cannot hear you

God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 23, 2018:

"*For as I was passing through and observing the objects of your worship, I even found an altar on which was inscribed: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.*"

Are the American political parties theologically driven?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 22, 2018:

"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." MahatmaGandhi

Prayer vs Science: Calling Their Bluff

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 20, 2018:

"prayer" meant "wish" when the KJV was being translated as for needing medicine, let food by thy medicine imo, but that's a diff subject anyway

What are your thoughts on Faith?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 20, 2018:

it is easy to dismiss Abrahams's "faith" and hence dismiss the Bible without realizing that the Bible plainly shows Abraham having so little "faith" that he went and slept with Hagar. Iow a conundrum is deliberately introduced that is not an accident, yet a religious person would never even entertain this convo, see

Have to admit I'm on board with Jesus' teachings.

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 20, 2018:

we are often hateful and cruel as children, and then mature into more forgiving types, right? this is the message there, i am pretty sure. Don't let those whom the Bible condemns (the religious) interpret the Bible for you imo.

What are your thoughts on Faith?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 20, 2018:

http://www.abarim-publications.com/DictionaryG/p/p-e-i-th-om.html#.WtoDZojwaUk this is a dense read, actually gets better in the second half, but here is a quote from the top; "The verb πειθω (peitho), to persuade, denotes a collective synchronizing of wisdom and the ironing out of wrinkles in a society's continuum of understanding. It does not describe someone preaching and the rest listening, but people conversing in a verbal economy and achieving a unification of minds (ACTS 17:4) into a mutual identity to which everybody can relate"

How do you decide whether it's worth arguing with a religious person?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 20, 2018:

the Bible suggests leaving them alone entirely fwiw

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any thoughts on quantum consciousness?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 19, 2018:

http://www.abarim-publications.com/worldMind.html#.WtjFAYjwaUk "World mind hypothesis" but i haven't read it yet :)

What question have you asked a Christian during a debate that ended the conversation?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 11, 2018:

How can the part of us that is supposed to "die, daily" (what we now know as ego) be the part that might get into some "future" place called heaven! (not in there anywhere, trust me)

What question have you asked a Christian during a debate that ended the conversation?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 11, 2018:

various riffs on the obvious ignoring of "give no thought for tomorrow," and also "he who says he knows anything does not yet know as he ought." the riffs are pretty obvious too i hope. The Bible is the very worst enemy of an institutional believer :)

What question have you asked a Christian during a debate that ended the conversation?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 11, 2018:

"when did 'I came that you might have life, more abundantly' turn into 'i can't wait to die, and go to heaven?'"

What question have you asked a Christian during a debate that ended the conversation?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 11, 2018:

"you say that you are waiting for Jesus to come back and save you again or whatever, but aren't *you* supposed to be the body of Christ?"

Do you have some book recommendations on cognitive biases and how to improve rationality?

bbyrd009 comments on Apr 4, 2018:

Best of luck, but see that you might be seeking less rationality, not more for that. Biases come from being rational, in a sense

I am struggling with my conscience, and compassion.

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 30, 2018:

Ya, i'm in the same boat, even if I do believe in a Creative Force in the universe myself; that part is really irrelevant. My useful advice here is to seek where you agree, and just don't engage where you cannot come together. Pointing out to your mother that she has embraced the Bible's strange gospel, and is in fact participating in the Roman cult of Sol Invictus, or the Mithraists that preceded it, is basically going to fall on deaf ears at this point, right.

What are your reasons why life is not just about winning and losing?

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 29, 2018:

An implied winner and loser descends from logic, and it is called the Hegelian Dialectic. As opposed to the Eastern Dialectic in which Torah was written; a completelty diff animal: "...three principles underlie Eastern dialecticism. Notice I didn't say 'propositions...' the term 'proposition' has much too formal a ring for what is a generalized stance toward the world rather than a set of ironclad rules. 1. Principle of change: Reality is a process of change. What is currently true will shortly be false. 2. Principle of contradiction: Contradiction is the dynamic underlying change. Because change is constant, contradiction is constant. 3. Principle of relationships (or holism): The whole is more than the sum of its parts. Parts are meaningful only in relation to the whole..."

The "god of philosophers." A distant or unknowable god is the same as no god?

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 29, 2018:

In a sense it is, ya. The Bible will even tell us that "God" does not want worship sacrifices--which are not necessarily dead animals--but "mercy."

"Most Christian president ever." I want to cry at this woman's ignorance.

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 29, 2018:

I would say he manifests the Industrial Christian perspective to a T

Does anyone else question themselves?

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 28, 2018:

Pretty rare, I guess. Takes a fair amount of self-esteem. The last celebrity that I can recall doing this was Einstein, I guess. Women seem to be much better at this than men, huh

God likes Atheist better, we never ask for anything!

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 28, 2018:

Lol. ignoring the dichotomy in "God likes Atheist" for now, there are many passages condemning religious prayer, ya.

If religious people 100% believed their doctrines, would they have any fear of death?

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 28, 2018:

Exactly :) God hates religion as much as we do, any number of passages could be Quoted for this

Why do people say, "I have been to every corner of the world", when the earth is round?

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 27, 2018:

Earth reflected in a drop of water, in front of a map of earth

Do you read the bible to get knowledge about it, and to be able to understand why it is fiction?

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 14, 2018:

Paul writes, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception...(Colossians 2:8)," which is exactly what the Scientific Method was intended to do. Faith is not the bold trust in things that make no sense. It's not the religious platform after the understanding of the times. It has nothing to do with obedience to certain dogmas. Nothing with lack of proof. In fact, faith and scientific knowledge are really quite alike: Both Paul's definition of faith and the Scientific Method consist of two parts. Have a look: http://www.abarim-publications.com/ScriptureTheoryIntroduction.html#.WqmUEejwaUk

Do you read the bible to get knowledge about it, and to be able to understand why it is fiction?

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 12, 2018:

The Bible roundly and repeatedly condemns religion, and is really man's best attempt to encode timeless truths about how the universe works in symbolic forms that are way older than the Bible itself. Who disagrees with 'love your neighbor?'

How many here were raised in a Christian home, at what point did you start thinking for yourself, ...

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 9, 2018:

At about 12, when I realized God hated religion

How to Ditch the News Feed Algorithm and Take Back Facebook

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 9, 2018:

Google+ is better for news aggregation anyway imo

" Still, social polarization in its broadest sense is the last bastion of Platonic fiat-theory.

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 9, 2018:

This is kind of the preface to the op: " but we've always known this was coming, so we're going to have to stop sniveling and grow up. Our training wheels were invented specifically so that we could learn how to ride our bikes without them. A house on sand In the world of wisdom, the accrued value is knowledge. And the more comes into a society, the more goes around, the more gets produced, and the higher the standard of living rises. Plato left us some pretty clever ideas but he was also the father of a kind of fiat-theory: speculative theory that went all over the place and which was no longer obviously connected to any useful skill or knowledge about the observable world. Plato's ex nihilo theories gobbled up vast amounts of intellectual energy and sorely inflated the economy of learning for 1,500 years (Platonic speculation and Roman totalitarianism largely explains the darkness of the Middle Ages). The Platonic episode began to come to an end when during the European Renaissance, Plato's fiat-philosophy was shelved and Aristotle's scientific method became the norm. It took another few hundred years for humanity to regain..."

Are snakes with apples always up to no good?

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 6, 2018:

"snakes" and "fruit" are symbolic, not meant to be literal...and no one can quote "Fall of Man" from the Bible, but "you are to be like gods."

Do you ever feel alone.

bbyrd009 comments on Mar 6, 2018:

Society makes this, you might take an online test for Autism/asperger's and see where you fall on the scale, I'm medium assburger's myself, prolly from vaccinations

What is the personality of the Holy Ghost?

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 28, 2018:

Casper lol. Ridic, huh, when a anyone could tell you that you project a "spirit" into a room when you walk in right. That is a spirit, voila

Would you be a better god than the god of the bible? If so - how?

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 23, 2018:

And fwiw I would allow ppl to suffer, yes, of course. Who would be dictated to, in order to alleviate this suffering, otherwise?

Would you be a better god than the god of the bible? If so - how?

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 22, 2018:

Ha what has "the God of the bible" done to you lol

After Mass Shooting, FL House Votes to Put “In God We Trust” Signs in Schools – Friendly ...

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 22, 2018:

"In God we trust; all Muslims please use the rear entrance" lol

Looking for advice on fasting .

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 22, 2018:

A 2-3 day fast is great for your gut, kills all the candida, a "flush" every fasting morning with chili/lemon water is prolly indicated, get ready for 20 minutes on the john after that, and then seek some kind of cultured food, or even prepared probiotics for eating day 1. I'm a sugar freak, but I just take care of my gut in the morning, and start the junk in the evening lol. Monitor fungal/urinary infections to gauge candida infection, as they all descend from candida

Ok, here is something about the whole Virgin Birth narrative in Christianity.

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 21, 2018:

The virgin birth was hardly a new idea, it is symbolic, and you are not reading the Bible, but a translation of it, by some religious guy, usually. Reading from the lexicon is a whole different dog. God hates religion, and this is verified in many passages

These skeptics are using science to fight a wave of bad nutrition advice on the Internet

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 21, 2018:

Fwiw plant based omega 3 will cure a host of ills, mostly I guess because our O3:O6 ratio is so skewed now. 6 months of omega 3 therapy and many symptoms disappear. Your body requires o3 to make new cells, and if you got none, you get crappy cells

Is it just me, or does it seem like the more religious someone is, the more they seem to fear death?

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 19, 2018:

hit em with "how do you imagine that you can get your ego, which is supposed to die daily, right, into some party in the afterlife anyway?" lol, the cognitive dissonance is profound

When did this site start?

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

Sept of last year apparently https://agnostic.com/discussion/989/how-long-has-this-site-been-in-existence

Today - as every monday - I am fasting.

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

we are vastly disconnected from our primary connection to all other life, and particularly other humans, now; our gut bacteria, but you prolly already know that if you are fasting i guess lol. Best way going to kill candida! Breaking fast with cultured foods is surely good, to establish a healthy, probiotic gut, and i guess addressing the next ongoing crime we commit, that of starving our own cells through poor cell wall formation from lack of plant based Omega 3 would be next. Dave's Killer Bread, Seeds of Change rice envelopes, and...Homestat Farms steel cut oatmeal with rye flakes and chia seem to be the most palatable to me

Are religious people, those who believe in God generally happier?

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

a valid argument can be made that the religious do not even have faith in God though; as the OT more or less demonstrates? It is the religious who are condemned!

"God--the Perverse One, not the Benevolent One--had only waited until Hauser imagined that he had ...

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 3, 2018:

Ha don't we pretty much all hate our parents at some point, for the same reasons though?

Aggressive, angry and violent Christian?

bbyrd009 comments on Feb 3, 2018:

I guess a local reporter would have a field day with this, your cuz prolly has a story to sell them even!

Do you think that men have become more feminine recently?

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 31, 2018:

unfermented soy jammed up every orifice, plus atrazine in the water supply will do that, yes

I've been binge watching a lot of debates of late, and have been disappointed by the logical ...

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 28, 2018:

The Bible is chock-full of deliberate logical inconsistencies that may be used to trap a religionist, chiefly how might one get the "self" that supposedly has to die before the literal death into a place called heaven, after they literally die?

When I got married my wife was not religious.

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 28, 2018:

Imo it is nonetheless important to recognize a personal mythology, regardless of whether it agrees with anyone else's or not. I might suggest this guy, http://www.abarim-publications.com/QuantumMechanicsIntroduction.html#.Wm4COainGUk, mostly bc EmeraldJewel invoked Hitchens lol, so does he :)

As to the question "How sure are you that there is no god?

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 28, 2018:

Imo the prob comes when we try to agree on the definitions of "real," and even "being." I was raised to believe all of the "other" gods were "not real," and I am slowly coming to see that they were all as "real" to their contemporaries as God is to us. I say "us" even though my "sureness that God exists" is exactly opposite yours simply bc when I say "God," you understand to what I am referring, more or less. Ergo, God exists, at least in some manifestation, right? The long white beard I srsly doubt tho lol https://archive.org/details/JosephCampbellAndThePowerOfMyth is somewhat of a slog, but worth it imo

" You can't love others until you learn to love yourself ", is one of the most selfish and damaging ...

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 28, 2018:

hmm, i came here to disagree with the snippet i read, bc ppl who cut themselves, but you fixed it better than i could lol :)

What are your favorite websites?

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 27, 2018:

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/

Well, it finally happened.

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 26, 2018:

be immune :D you know that germx stuff destroys immunity right

"This place could be beautiful, right? You could make this place beautiful."

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 26, 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJTJR83wWfI=22=PLzMamFjYdWu9cNL2-aV_wWmy6vNJKfvyq

Best fictional TV show that features Atheism?

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 26, 2018:

anything with men in foxholes, imo :)

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil ...

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 26, 2018:

awesome. The same message as the Old Testament, seems to me exact same

It has always baffled me that humans think they know all there is to know about "God" yet cannot ...

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 25, 2018:

"beliefs are a pimple on the forehead of understanding." hi btw, ntmy! :)

Do you believe American medicine was designed to help humans heal or are we making/keeping people ...

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 25, 2018:

Allopathy by definition treats symptoms rather than causes, I guess. but one gets symptoms from somewhere, right? and one also chooses allopathy when the symptoms manifest. so iow "Barnum was right," and American medicine *was* designed to help humans heal--for money.

So, leaving religion out of it...do you believe in anything "supernatural"?

bbyrd009 comments on Jan 25, 2018:

yes, understanding rather than judgement is supernatural i guess

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