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Want to know what percentage of the community believes in free will?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 29, 2018:

Nature vs. Nurture in sheep's clothing. It's a combination. I don't will myself to react to something on reflexes, but I can choose to hone them, or not. I can choose to post this, or I could not. It depends on what you're talking about, specifically.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

@toakreon @tommymeador @JeffMurray Let's do a thought experiment. You have two dots. They occupy the same space, which do you choose? You only have one sentence containing one answer. Take as much time and space as you need to explain why you chose the answer you did.

Want to know what percentage of the community believes in free will?

Dwight comments on Jan 29, 2018:

There is no supernatural force directing our fate. We are free to chose, do and fail or succeed on our own.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

@dwight I agree with you. Just because we exist as we do does not mean we don't have the ability to choose. If anything we are uniquely capable of choice. That's why we have opinions based on the same data. Atheism and religion is the ultimate choice in this context. You can choose to believe, or not, regardless of the evidence. That's why religion exists. It's a series of choices. For example I may have the will to be the undisputed ruler of the universe, but I don't have the choice. That's the difference. My will is free. My agency is bound by reality.

Want to know what percentage of the community believes in free will?

ToakReon comments on Jan 29, 2018:

After my silly 'joke' response I thought I'd give a real one. The concept of free will is fundamentally incompatable with the concept of cause and effect. If what you choose to do is the 'effect' of external 'causes' then it is not truly your free choice - if it is not then, by definition, you ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

I have all the ingredients to bake bread. Any bread I want. What bread will I choose to bake? Easy answer, any kind I want. I don't have to bake bread either. I could make cake, pasta, candy and so on. Yes my having the ability affects weather or not I can bake, but I can. I can choose to bake, or not. That is because of my free will. I have no reason to bake ever. I can buy any bread I want, or not. I don't have the ability to will myself to be more naturally talented, or control the world around me and mine, but I can choose to do things. I would call that free will, regardless of how I arrived there. Not having free will would mean I can't decide anything ever, even given every option.

Today I heard a new Rule. We all know The Golden Rule, right?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 29, 2018:

I've always had a problem with these kinds of proverbs. What if I want someone to kill me? Other way around? I get the point, but I think any behavior can be justified using this kind of logic. I prefer the Hypocratic oath.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

I think it's more concise to just say "Do no harm." @ellendale is this abortion forced on the woman? Is this abortion a result of a rape? Morality is subjective. In this case it means don't do things to others that you would consider harmful to yourself. In a cohesive society most people agree on what harmful is. If they can not decide on what that is, they should look to science. Sciences like medicine. The oath is a philosophy of ethics based on objectivity.

I saw this Christian named Zig Ziglar post this on Facebook: be yourself, don't be someone you are ...

Rufus_Maximus comments on Jan 29, 2018:

This is so non sequitur that I think 7 or 8 shell fish should do the trick.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

Non sequiters don't matter in this context if the points are made. That's just arguing for using extra language when it is unnecessary. I don't understand why people expect a full dissertation to be posted on forums. Could it have been written better? Yes. Does it matter if it conveys the points? Not really.

I saw this Christian named Zig Ziglar post this on Facebook: be yourself, don't be someone you are ...

buck1977 comments on Jan 29, 2018:

I don't need people to like me...which is why I'm not a christian or a liberal...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

@buck1977 Nail on the head.

Want to know what percentage of the community believes in free will?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 29, 2018:

Nature vs. Nurture in sheep's clothing. It's a combination. I don't will myself to react to something on reflexes, but I can choose to hone them, or not. I can choose to post this, or I could not. It depends on what you're talking about, specifically.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

Yes, by choice.

Whether or not you play video games on your own time, do you find or think playing video games with ...

Atheistman comments on Jan 29, 2018:

Nooooooo, it actually breaks relationships apart, less time fucking, more time gaming.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

Lol, Beepin the wrong buttons.

Whether or not you play video games on your own time, do you find or think playing video games with ...

jacpod comments on Jan 29, 2018:

No I'd rather play real board games with a group of people I love/like.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

I've gone from table top, to computer, to console and back to table top.

Is being forceful with ones' disbelief of religion any better than someone trying to convert one to ...

cercatrova comments on Jan 29, 2018:

I refer to people who try to convince every believer that they should be a non-believer, evangelical atheists. If someone wants to have the discussion, I’m down. But if we are in line getting coffee and I see your Jesus shirt, I’m not going to launch into a rant. I’ve known people who would.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

@shelton I think it's funny that theists think evangelism is great, as long as it's not any other kind but their own. "Evangelical Atheism" is considered a derogatory term.

Whats your opinion of the Bible?

IntellectualRN comments on Jan 29, 2018:

I prefer Norse and Greek mythology.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

Me too, my friends call me Odins Atheist.

How do you feel about Christians?

David1955 comments on Jan 29, 2018:

You can't hate a people as a group. I know and have known many great Christian people. Also some truly awful Christians. I don't like Christianity, and make no apology for that. Appalling history and a death cult. I don't need to go into any more detail than that.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

You shouldn't hate a group of people, but you can. It happens all the time. I agree with you though.

I saw this Christian named Zig Ziglar post this on Facebook: be yourself, don't be someone you are ...

buck1977 comments on Jan 29, 2018:

I don't need people to like me...which is why I'm not a christian or a liberal...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 29, 2018:

I'm glad to see that there are more nonliberals here than I originally thought.

Anyone Have An Exotic Animal As A Pet?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 28, 2018:

I have a Fischers African lovebird.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

Boba, aka Lil Squish.

Have you ever had a partner succumb to mental health problems?

Unicorn1824 comments on Jan 28, 2018:

My wife was bipolar. She killed herself after we were married only a year.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

Wow, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Liberals

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 28, 2018:

I've seen quite a few liberals who hate America, they told me they did. I think they are a vocal minority though. There are conservatives who think that these types of liberals typify the group, but again, they are a vocal minority.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

There's one guy that I went to high school with that is a communist. He says the USA is completely backwards and he hates everything about it. There are people like this all over the internet.

What are your thoughts on the etiquette of paying for dates?

Crimson67 comments on Jan 28, 2018:

I am a firm believer in financial dating equality. First date should be dutch. All dates after the first, the person who invites pays but the other party should always offer to share the cost. My neighbor/former friend would date a guy and then suggest they go somewhere and then expect ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

I couldn't agree more.

Liberals

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 28, 2018:

I've seen quite a few liberals who hate America, they told me they did. I think they are a vocal minority though. There are conservatives who think that these types of liberals typify the group, but again, they are a vocal minority.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

Exactly my point. There are extremists on both sides. I think the rest of us, the sane people, need to start rebuilding bridges.

Is it wrong to challenge the beliefs of the elderly?

wordywalt comments on Jan 28, 2018:

We do need to take care. If religious beliefs define the core of who that person has become, destroying that core can be debilitating if the person has nothing to replace it with and has limited time left.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

Normally I would say religion is terrible in all forms, but someone that is very old may actually suffer physical problems due to stress when questioned on something as delicate as a core belief. Best live and let live in that situation.

Can you "choose" to believe in something?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 25, 2018:

Yes you can, and do chose your beliefs. I chose to believe in science to explain the world and my feelings. Others choose god because they feel they must believe as a result of indoctrination into the faith. Religious belief is widely based on geography. You don't see a lot of Hindu folks being born...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

Belief is not the same word as believe. One is a noun, the other, an adjective. They have different meanings. You're picking a nonexistent knit.

Lightsaber Science... [youtube.com]

Admin comments on Jan 28, 2018:

The error in his logic is that he's assuming the width of the energy beam as what we see as visual light that is radiating from it. It is much more likely that a real light saber would use a beam 1000x+ less wide than what you see. This would just be enough to vaporize a tiny fraction thin line of...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

When someone gets stabbed with a light saber it leaves a hole the same size as the visual blade width. E.G. Qui-Gon Jinn being stabbed by Darth Maul. This means the effective blade is as wide as the actual colored portion of the blade. There is illumination beyond that which appears more diffused and even whiteish. This is not part of the blade, but the visual byproduct of it. Light Saber use is not limited to force users, Han uses one in Empire, General Grevious is famously not force sensative. The thing that makes a lightsaber work the way it does are the unique properties of Kyber crystal. The crystals are themselves force sensative. This is what allows the blade to posess such unique properties. Our light saber dreams are all dependent upon the force being real.

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 27, 2018:

I think it's a great idea. I'm not sure we are currently capable of making that technology work logistically though. The cost seems to out weigh the benefit at this point as far as I know. I'd love to see it succeed though.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

5 reasons why the hyperloop is problematic. https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2016/07/26/scientist-lays-out-5-huge-problems-with-elon-musks-hyperloop-video/

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

DelilahJones33 comments on Jan 27, 2018:

I understand what you're saying. I also understand that occasionally some people enjoy being stubbornly semantic just to be difficult (or for shits and giggles lol). ;)

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

I hear ya. Asking for a definition in a debate is suicide. If the only problem someone can find with an argument is that they don't understand a word then it is they who has lost.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

mrdunn comments on Jan 24, 2018:

I sorry @jayneonacobb, I couldn't follow your argument. What were the other explanations for the origins of the big bang you offered that weren't accidental? By "accidental" I'm assuming you mean "unconscious"?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 28, 2018:

Do you think Joe is intilectual inferior to me because he believes in God? See, I can troll you too.Talk about a nonsequiter. That's what trolling looks like, familiar to you, isn't it? Your belief does rob you of critical thinking in at least one area. I just happen to think you did a wonderful job illustrating how that one illogical belief you hold can poison the rest of a person's mind.

Broken?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 27, 2018:

I bought a house, car and ring for a woman. She had been cheating on me for the previous six months ( I had no idea). When she left the only thing she didn't take was a positive pregnancy test and a receipt for the abortion. She left them on the floor in the middle of my empty living room. She spent...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 27, 2018:

Thanks, I appreciate it. I don't know if I'll ever get over it, but I am glad it's over.

When y'all gonna stop whining about Trump?

BlueWave comments on Jan 27, 2018:

I find your demands insulting. Being politically active, mindful, or aware -- and discussing what is going on in our country is not WHINING, but thanks for the insult. Yes, you are right. The whole world gets that our country is in CRISIS right now. Thanks for noticing. I am 51 years old. ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 27, 2018:

Then show you're better than him by not sinking to his level.

Should an alleged sex offender remain anonymous until convicted?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 27, 2018:

I can't describe the hate and disgust that I feel in regard to sex offenders, especially pedophiles. With that in mind, due process is the right of all people. I don't think it's right to publish that information until a verdict is reached. Even if they are innocent that sort of publicity can be ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 27, 2018:

You can't rehabilitate these people. Yes, punishment should fit the crime.

When y'all gonna stop whining about Trump?

BlueWave comments on Jan 27, 2018:

I find your demands insulting. Being politically active, mindful, or aware -- and discussing what is going on in our country is not WHINING, but thanks for the insult. Yes, you are right. The whole world gets that our country is in CRISIS right now. Thanks for noticing. I am 51 years old. ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 27, 2018:

You calling him a moron is disrespectful. You're name calling, like a child. I don't mind people disagreeing with politicians. I do all the time, but I don't degrade myself by acting like a spoiled brat. The moment you don't respect your enemy is the moment they deliver the killing blow. If I had called Obama the same type of things you call Trump I'd be labeled as a hateful, racist, bigot by Trump haters. Ignoring the problem doesn't help anyone. Just the fact that my post offended you shows me that you are not mature. Do you know what moron means? I'd be willing to bet that you're PC and think calling someone a retard is wrong.

When y'all gonna stop whining about Trump?

BlueWave comments on Jan 27, 2018:

I find your demands insulting. Being politically active, mindful, or aware -- and discussing what is going on in our country is not WHINING, but thanks for the insult. Yes, you are right. The whole world gets that our country is in CRISIS right now. Thanks for noticing. I am 51 years old. ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 27, 2018:

I support your right to believe what you believe. I bet we agree on a lot more than you think. I just think name calling and blatant disregard for manners is detracting from your positions credibility. Not only that it makes those people look immature and petty.

When y'all gonna stop whining about Trump?

twshield comments on Jan 27, 2018:

well you have to understand to that this is the first president who tweets and will basically comment about anything. for this reason people in turn will be more vocal about him in a positive or negative way. We have never had a president offering opinions about football players kneeling. Presidents...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 27, 2018:

Somebody needs to take his phone, I agree. I address issues I have with his administration, but I am an adult about it. Since I joined here I don't use Facebook as much either.

When y'all gonna stop whining about Trump?

twshield comments on Jan 27, 2018:

well you have to understand to that this is the first president who tweets and will basically comment about anything. for this reason people in turn will be more vocal about him in a positive or negative way. We have never had a president offering opinions about football players kneeling. Presidents...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 27, 2018:

I get all that. I don't like him much either. I'm just tired of the name calling and constant hate. It's immature and counter productive. Look at the comment below for evidence of what it's doing to smart people. I don't want to engage with people who can't set aside their feelings when discussing problems.

When y'all gonna stop whining about Trump?

BlueWave comments on Jan 27, 2018:

I find your demands insulting. Being politically active, mindful, or aware -- and discussing what is going on in our country is not WHINING, but thanks for the insult. Yes, you are right. The whole world gets that our country is in CRISIS right now. Thanks for noticing. I am 51 years old. ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 27, 2018:

I don't like the guy, but I don't call him commander and cheeto, or the Orange one. I didn't vote for him, but I don't call him names and just complain about him, just like when Obama was in office. Talk about the issues you have, just stop name calling. You're smarter than that.

Friday fun - what's that film quote?

BawdyEclectic comments on Jan 26, 2018:

"Multipass!" And just for fun, from the same movie..."Weddings are one floor down, my son. Congratulations."

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 26, 2018:

Fifth element

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

mrdunn comments on Jan 24, 2018:

I sorry @jayneonacobb, I couldn't follow your argument. What were the other explanations for the origins of the big bang you offered that weren't accidental? By "accidental" I'm assuming you mean "unconscious"?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 26, 2018:

I know it's concede the damn auto correct keeps changing it. You're just a troll. Oh, that makes sense, you can't think correctly because you're a believer.

I dislike living in a highly conservative area.

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 25, 2018:

Why not talk to them? You might find common ground if you ask the right questions. This country needs healing, and that means taking some uncomfortable steps. I'm conservative, but I don't care for religion, I'm not a Trump fan, and I am open to talking to people who disagree with me. I may disagree...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 26, 2018:

Thank you for the kind words, but I'm no innocent child. Wisdom is oft gained through foolishness and folly. I consider myself quite the imp. Those are the people who need reason most. Are you scared you'll be converted? If not, what's the harm in a conversation?

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

mrdunn comments on Jan 24, 2018:

I sorry @jayneonacobb, I couldn't follow your argument. What were the other explanations for the origins of the big bang you offered that weren't accidental? By "accidental" I'm assuming you mean "unconscious"?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 26, 2018:

You need a dictionary and a class on debate. String theory allows for a multiverse. It may be possible for someone in another universe to intentionally create a universe. In which case the resulting universe would be intentionally created. You need to stop thinking in binary terms and start thinking abstractly about things. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. This theory would make an antitheist wrong in the assertion that the universe they occupy was accidental in origin. I'm not saying I believe that, I'm just not ruling it out either, which does not mean I believe it. I said that I am a materialist in the sense that I require evidence before forming an opinion, or believing someone's claim. This does not change the result of the theory. I'm sorry to tell you, you're wrong about everything you said. I think you need to work more on your critical thinking skills, and less on being critical. I lost on that initial point, It says so in the post. I did win the overall debate. We found common ground by me helping him pose a question in a better manner. Subtext, my man. Even though I suspected that my version of his question required I conceit that point I still helped him establish a better argument. I learned something in the process and I thought it was note worthy enough to share. The real lesson I learned was to think abstractly. Once again, you miss the sub text.

A universe from nothing? Anyone knowledgable about Physics?

magicwatch comments on Jan 24, 2018:

what a great question,! if you or I could answer that then we would win the noble prize, my understanding is that the universe will end when it becomes too "cold" for anything else too happen. i.e. atoms freeze and no motion is possible. this is the opposite of the so called "big bang" where the ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

I might not beable to prove string theory, but I do study it. It sounds like I'm not the only one. :)

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

mrdunn comments on Jan 24, 2018:

I sorry @jayneonacobb, I couldn't follow your argument. What were the other explanations for the origins of the big bang you offered that weren't accidental? By "accidental" I'm assuming you mean "unconscious"?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

@mrdunn The big bang is consistent with what you would expect from an accidental universe. Most of it is inhospitable to life. The second law of thermodynamics illustrates exactly what happens in a closed system. Our universe is exhibiting properties of being in a closed system. That's not what were discussing here and I think you know that. You just wanted me to lay out an argument that is irrelivent given the nature of the debate. We're discussing weather or not, in this specific iteration of the universe that we currently occupy, an antitheist can believe in an alternative theory to the two posed by science and religion. The answer is yes. The infinant regression argument is not applicable in this instance because it is only discussing the cause of, again, this specific and current universe, which we now occupy. I literally spelled it out for you, but you just don't seem able to separate a premise for a debate and what someone actually believes. I've had to debate both sides of every issue that I discuss, it doesn't mean I believe both sides. This was an exercise in finding common ground with people you disagree with and posing new questions.

Can you "choose" to believe in something?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 25, 2018:

Yes you can, and do chose your beliefs. I chose to believe in science to explain the world and my feelings. Others choose god because they feel they must believe as a result of indoctrination into the faith. Religious belief is widely based on geography. You don't see a lot of Hindu folks being born...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

I see your meaning, but, "I believe that the scientific method is a reliable way to collect information based on the data I have available to me at this time," Is a little long winded for the context.

A universe from nothing? Anyone knowledgable about Physics?

magicwatch comments on Jan 24, 2018:

what a great question,! if you or I could answer that then we would win the noble prize, my understanding is that the universe will end when it becomes too "cold" for anything else too happen. i.e. atoms freeze and no motion is possible. this is the opposite of the so called "big bang" where the ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

@magicwatch I know what you mean, its quite the rabbit hole. There's always the question of 10, 11 or 26 dimensions to consider as well, if any are even correct.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

tsjames comments on Jan 24, 2018:

Why would the universe have to have purpose? I would just toss that question back and have him deal with it.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

Winning wasn't the point, it was answering the question.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

AtheistInNC comments on Jan 24, 2018:

Define "accident". The universe follows the rules of physics. Our CURRENT theory is the big bang. Was the big bang and 'accident'? Most likely it was a product of physical processes we don't understand at this moment in time. But not an 'accident' like he thinks.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

I would define those things as results of an accidental universe which is governed by certain laws and principals that lead to those events. In these cases they would be gravity and evolution, respectively. Intent requires intelligence.

Is humanity doomed?

stinkeye_a comments on Jan 25, 2018:

If we're going to be fine and we do nothing, no problem. If we're going to be fine and we do something, no problem. If we're in trouble and we do nothing, we're definitely doomed. If we're in trouble and we do something, we might have a shot at making things better. If not, at least we ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

I completely agree.

I have spent weeks measuring myself.

azzow2 comments on Jan 25, 2018:

Do you mean on a Da Vinci level or a cryptology level?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

I'm also confused, I went with computer code, as I think he means there is a correlative search happening using the word "what" as a search parameter.

Scientists have cloned monkeys and it could help treat cancer | New Scientist

Dwight comments on Jan 25, 2018:

If they cloned humans would they be able to experiment on them? Then they would have a direct match instead of an analog.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

It would still be unethical as the clones would still be human.

A universe from nothing? Anyone knowledgable about Physics?

magicwatch comments on Jan 24, 2018:

what a great question,! if you or I could answer that then we would win the noble prize, my understanding is that the universe will end when it becomes too "cold" for anything else too happen. i.e. atoms freeze and no motion is possible. this is the opposite of the so called "big bang" where the ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

First off, I love your user name. I hope it's a reference to the blind watchmaker argument. Second, we can't answer the question because we lack a working theory of unification. String theory stops working at higher dimensions. If that could be rectified we may have a viable means to discovery. Resolving string theory may also raise further questions though. You'll notice I used a lot of hypotheticals there. I'm no where close to being good enough at math to reconcile relativity and quantum physics.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

Condor5 comments on Jan 23, 2018:

I would initially reject the term "accidental." That term is very limited in its meaning, imho, and has no validity in relation to the universe and its possible origins. Not sure what other term, specifically, would apply, but accidental just doesn't fit. How about "spontaneous"? Accidental sounds ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

Accidental in this case means unintentionally because it is an adjective, not a noun. https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8=ms-android-americamovil-us=android-browser&q=define+accidental

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

tsjames comments on Jan 24, 2018:

Why would the universe have to have purpose? I would just toss that question back and have him deal with it.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

I agree, but that's the question he wanted answered. The debate continued and I did point out all of the problems with his position. I thought the question he posed was interesting in the way it made me think differently about something.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

AtheistInNC comments on Jan 24, 2018:

Define "accident". The universe follows the rules of physics. Our CURRENT theory is the big bang. Was the big bang and 'accident'? Most likely it was a product of physical processes we don't understand at this moment in time. But not an 'accident' like he thinks.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

Accidental, with out intent. Accidental does not need to be defined in the context of the debate because it is a basic, specific concept. If you don't know the definition of the work you can look it up, it's not my responsibility to define words that you don't understand. That is why "hard line atheist" was unacceptable and subsequently was replaced by antitheist. Antitheist is more accurate for the debate topic.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

mrdunn comments on Jan 24, 2018:

I sorry @jayneonacobb, I couldn't follow your argument. What were the other explanations for the origins of the big bang you offered that weren't accidental? By "accidental" I'm assuming you mean "unconscious"?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 25, 2018:

I think you're confusing my argument with my beliefs. I am a materialist and antitheist, which means I believe that the way our universe exists is consistent with it being accidental. The data for this is how the universe works. I think you missed the point of the post.

Women, does he really need to know?

Crimson67 comments on Jan 24, 2018:

Depends on how long she's known the guy and what her intent is. If it was a one night stand/short term relationship and she plans to terminate, then he has no need to know. If it was a one night stand/short term relationship and she plans to keep it, I think she should tell him just so he knows...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

If a woman has the right to choose, so does the man. I personally would stay and raise the child if that's what she wanted.

Women, does he really need to know?

Crimson67 comments on Jan 24, 2018:

Depends on how long she's known the guy and what her intent is. If it was a one night stand/short term relationship and she plans to terminate, then he has no need to know. If it was a one night stand/short term relationship and she plans to keep it, I think she should tell him just so he knows...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

That's my exact same experience, except I was engaged.

Women, does he really need to know?

Crimson67 comments on Jan 24, 2018:

Depends on how long she's known the guy and what her intent is. If it was a one night stand/short term relationship and she plans to terminate, then he has no need to know. If it was a one night stand/short term relationship and she plans to keep it, I think she should tell him just so he knows...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

I'd leave my wife or girlfriend if I found out they had an abortion and didn't discuss it with me and at least consider my position. I know that for a fact. I've seen me do it.

Question from a newbie to this forum, but not a newbie Atheist.

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 22, 2018:

Buddhists are often atheists. Modern Sun worshippers are also atheists, but they feel a spiritual connection to the sun. Pastafarianism is technically a religion that doesn't believe in their God. Jedi don't need to believe in God, yeah, that's a legit thing. I'd say as long as you reject the claim ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

You're missing a conjunction which is a vital part of the sentence when discerning its meaning. Without it you are saying that you think it is a religion, but you claim to disagree. It's just nonsensical. Its a self contradictory statement without the word "that" given the context. Just because the government doesn't recognize something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

mrdunn comments on Jan 24, 2018:

I sorry @jayneonacobb, I couldn't follow your argument. What were the other explanations for the origins of the big bang you offered that weren't accidental? By "accidental" I'm assuming you mean "unconscious"?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

The way our universe works is consistent with the accidental universe theory. I believe this is the best theory based on the data. My argument is simply that being an antitheist doesn't bar other theories of origin. You could call me a materialist in the sense that I don't accept things as true without evidence.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

mrdunn comments on Jan 24, 2018:

I sorry @jayneonacobb, I couldn't follow your argument. What were the other explanations for the origins of the big bang you offered that weren't accidental? By "accidental" I'm assuming you mean "unconscious"?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

I'm saying that we don't know how the big bang happened. The black hole is just one idea, there are others. Maybe someone in another universe recreated the big bang of their universe and in doing so created ours. That doesn't mean I believe either. There's no evidence for me to decide either way.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

mrdunn comments on Jan 24, 2018:

I sorry @jayneonacobb, I couldn't follow your argument. What were the other explanations for the origins of the big bang you offered that weren't accidental? By "accidental" I'm assuming you mean "unconscious"?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

Accidental means without intent. I'm not required to offer alternative theories to point out that they could exist. I don't know how the big bang happened, but I don't think it necessarily means that it was an accident. To answer the question though: I do know that some people have posed the notion that black holes might create singularities which lead to other big bangs.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

Uncorrugated comments on Jan 23, 2018:

And what is wrong with saying "I do not know if the universe is accidental or not, I currently do not have sufficient evidence to draw a conclusion as to the origins of the universe at this time". I also cannot accept that 'accidental' is an appropriate term for the creation of the universe ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

I agree on the burdon of proof. The debate was weather or not antitheist had to believe in the accidental universe theory, or if they could believe in other theories for the cause of the big bang. It was more an exercise in how to establish an argument and a lesson on how important language is in a debate.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

MichaelSpinler comments on Jan 23, 2018:

the real issue here is people like this cannot deal with not being the center of a god or universes attention. there has to be a plan or a purpose.. for it to be naturally and unplanned, seams random and chance in their head, they cant deal with that, its their indoctrinated thinking at work. the ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

I agree, but he did make me define why the universe may not be purely accidental in origin. I'd never done that before. Still doesn't mean a god made everything tough.

Does being a "hard line atheist" mean you believe in an accidental universe?

Condor5 comments on Jan 23, 2018:

I would initially reject the term "accidental." That term is very limited in its meaning, imho, and has no validity in relation to the universe and its possible origins. Not sure what other term, specifically, would apply, but accidental just doesn't fit. How about "spontaneous"? Accidental sounds ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

Accidental means without intent. I'd say it fits the bill. Spontaneous is more of a timing issue. One can be spontaneous accidentally. I'm glad you get the premise of the story though.

Question from a newbie to this forum, but not a newbie Atheist.

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 22, 2018:

Buddhists are often atheists. Modern Sun worshippers are also atheists, but they feel a spiritual connection to the sun. Pastafarianism is technically a religion that doesn't believe in their God. Jedi don't need to believe in God, yeah, that's a legit thing. I'd say as long as you reject the claim ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

@JeffMurray Then your statement was poorly written. It should have read "I disagree that pastafarianism is a religion." Tongue and cheek or not, it is a religion as it has tenants, wide and varying as they may be. It just happens to be a religion that does not believe in its deity as it's main tenant. You would be wrong about it not being recognized in the US as a religion. Someone sighted religious freedom laws in order to wear a strainer on their head during taking a photo for a driver's license. She was able to do so because religion is protected by the bill of rights. If it wasn't considered a religion that case would have gone the other way.

Question from a newbie to this forum, but not a newbie Atheist.

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 22, 2018:

Buddhists are often atheists. Modern Sun worshippers are also atheists, but they feel a spiritual connection to the sun. Pastafarianism is technically a religion that doesn't believe in their God. Jedi don't need to believe in God, yeah, that's a legit thing. I'd say as long as you reject the claim ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 24, 2018:

@JeffMurray I don't see where the disagreement is. I said that it was technically a religion. That is a correct assessment. Also, punctuation would have clarified the statement. There was no context clue because there was no comma, which made the statement hard to understand as you were agreeing with me. Which renders the comment moot.

How Prepared Are You For Death?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 23, 2018:

Already donated my body to science.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

I've always had an interest in neuroscience, that's why I chose to donate my body.

What are some of y’all favorite podcasts?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 23, 2018:

Where do I start? MBMBAM, the Adventure Zone, fictional, myths and legends, startalk radio, intelligence squared, Hello From the Magic Tavern, critical hit, welcome to nightvale, saw bones, the HP Lovecraft literary podcast, lore, judge John Hogeman (sp?), we hate movies, oh no ross and Carrie, ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

Yes, just like most of my Saturday's.

How Prepared Are You For Death?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 23, 2018:

Already donated my body to science.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

I won't be using it, might as well put it to good use. I like to think my body will be launched into orbit via an extremely large cannon, just to see what happens. Lol j/k.

How many people have still not worked out why Hillary lost?

sassygirl3869 comments on Jan 22, 2018:

The election was stolen by trump and the Russians. Period. Piece of shit trimpty dumpty.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

You know why conspiracy theories seem true? Because thats exactly what "they" want you to think.

How many people have still not worked out why Hillary lost?

Knitfreak comments on Jan 22, 2018:

I would love to have a woman president, but a decent woman would be my choice. There are a few... Hillary is not one of them. There are many reasons she lost... she is not personable, has a horrid reputation, stayed with a cheater for power and money instead of teaching her daughter what a strong ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

@Ad4hubby I'm glad you also voted for an alternative candidate. I voted libertarian this time because I wanted to get equal funding for another party and they were projected to reach their goal. They did. More parties means more distribution of power, and more accurate representation. I know she's green party, and what that means, but I'd have to look into her more to form an opinion about her politics.

How many people have still not worked out why Hillary lost?

Knitfreak comments on Jan 22, 2018:

I would love to have a woman president, but a decent woman would be my choice. There are a few... Hillary is not one of them. There are many reasons she lost... she is not personable, has a horrid reputation, stayed with a cheater for power and money instead of teaching her daughter what a strong ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

Y'all know that you can write in a candidate, right? You could still have voted for Bernie. Hell, you could have voted for literally any natural born american land owner 35 years or older with no felony convictions. You don't have to pick the lesser of two evils, that's how we ended up with Trump.

Who do you think exemplifies hypocrisy more than anyone else in public life?

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 23, 2018:

A year ago I'd say Obama, but he's technically a private citizen now. I'd have to say the Muslim woman who organized the women's rights march last winter. She supports sharia law, and women's rights? I don't understand this supreme lack of logic.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

Is that her name? She's a walking contradiction. Don't get me wrong, I support equality with every fiber of my being, but sharia is not equality. I think we all agree on that point.

Question from a newbie to this forum, but not a newbie Atheist.

MsOliver comments on Jan 22, 2018:

This is the subject I diverge with one of the Horsemen, specifically Sam Harris on. I think the whole notion of "spirituality" is simply whooo for people who can't let go of all things religious. Others will disagree but I simply find no need for "spirituality" to make life meaningful or complete,...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

Hi, I think you're confusing materialism with atheism. Atheism is the rejection of a claim that god (s) exist. Materialism is the rejection of supernatural claims. All materialists are atheists, but not all atheists are materialists.

Question from a newbie to this forum, but not a newbie Atheist.

MsOliver comments on Jan 22, 2018:

This is the subject I diverge with one of the Horsemen, specifically Sam Harris on. I think the whole notion of "spirituality" is simply whooo for people who can't let go of all things religious. Others will disagree but I simply find no need for "spirituality" to make life meaningful or complete,...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

Hi, I think you're confusing materialism with atheism. Atheism is the rejection of a claim that god (s) exist. Materialism is the rejection of supernatural claims. All materialists are atheists, but not all atheists are materialists.

I'm a big fan of Hitch, I enjoy a good Hitchslap, and I think he was near unbeatable on the religion...

RYSR10 comments on Jan 23, 2018:

You're stupid to think that a debate isn't an argument. I lost the debate. Damn. You stand corrected. :)

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

I wasn't wrong in the first place, I can't stand corrected in that case, I'm just correct. I'm confused by your post.

Question from a newbie to this forum, but not a newbie Atheist.

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 22, 2018:

Buddhists are often atheists. Modern Sun worshippers are also atheists, but they feel a spiritual connection to the sun. Pastafarianism is technically a religion that doesn't believe in their God. Jedi don't need to believe in God, yeah, that's a legit thing. I'd say as long as you reject the claim ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

@JeffMurray "You disagree, pastafarianism is a religion." Or "You disagree that pastafarianism is a religion?" Theres a big difference between the two statements.

I'm a big fan of Hitch, I enjoy a good Hitchslap, and I think he was near unbeatable on the religion...

ErichZannIII comments on Jan 23, 2018:

Hitch, the movie?

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 23, 2018:

Lol

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jayneonacobb comments on Jan 22, 2018:

At least you know she'll always give consent, unless you friends find and reprogram it.