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Do People Understand That DACA Recipients Are Not Illegal Immigrants?

wordywalt comments on Jan 21, 2018:

Those against DACA are nothing more than ethnocentric bigots.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 21, 2018:

@wordywalt Ok, I'm not going to discuss things with you anymore because you have failed to supply any evidence for your claim. You didn't even attempt to justify it, but you're acting as if you hold some sort of moral high ground. I find that behavior childish and not worth engaging in. I truly do hope that you start to learn about civil debate conduct. I think you're probably an intelligent person, and I'd like to see you use that intilect for something more than trolling people on the internet. I'd also appreciate you not assuming that people with differing views than you are automatically bigoted. A lot of us have legitimate arguments that have nothing to do with race.

Do People Understand That DACA Recipients Are Not Illegal Immigrants?

DJVJ311 comments on Jan 21, 2018:

First, to be absolutely clear, I believe in more than a path to citizenship and generally open borders. I do have to disagree with this post. They are illegal immigrants. They are illegal immigrants who we have documented and have "Deferred Action" on because they were "Childhood Arrivals". That...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 21, 2018:

@twshield I'd love to see the people responsible for this legal blunder get sent to jail, but we all know they won't put Obama where he belongs. Or anyone else involved for that matter.

Do People Understand That DACA Recipients Are Not Illegal Immigrants?

sassygirl3869 comments on Jan 21, 2018:

Unfortunately herr trump, some Right Wing Pubs, and his followers are ignorant. They don't comprehend that DACA recipients are not illegal immigrants.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 21, 2018:

@twshield that doesn't change their legal status in the slightest. Lots of drug dealers pay taxes too, doesn't make dealing drugs legal. Not only that, but they were always illegal as the DACA is in conflict with pre-existing immigration laws.

Do People Understand That DACA Recipients Are Not Illegal Immigrants?

DJVJ311 comments on Jan 21, 2018:

First, to be absolutely clear, I believe in more than a path to citizenship and generally open borders. I do have to disagree with this post. They are illegal immigrants. They are illegal immigrants who we have documented and have "Deferred Action" on because they were "Childhood Arrivals". That...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 21, 2018:

@DJVJ311 Morality is subjective, who's morality are we talking about? What makes the deportation of these people immoral? What about all the people who had to wait years and pay tens of thousands of dollars to come here legally? What about not undermining the foundation of our society? Be careful when arguing from the authority of morality, it is very easily beaten.

Do People Understand That DACA Recipients Are Not Illegal Immigrants?

wordywalt comments on Jan 21, 2018:

Those against DACA are nothing more than ethnocentric bigots.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 21, 2018:

Good point DUCHESSA. I'm still waiting to find out if this belief is founded on faith or if the OP did research before forming an opinion. I'd also like to know why he thinks I'm "ethnocentric" (racist) for not supporting the DACA. Just so you know OP, you can dress up a personal attack any way you like, but it still means you've lost the debate, especially when it's your only point.

Do People Understand That DACA Recipients Are Not Illegal Immigrants?

DJVJ311 comments on Jan 21, 2018:

First, to be absolutely clear, I believe in more than a path to citizenship and generally open borders. I do have to disagree with this post. They are illegal immigrants. They are illegal immigrants who we have documented and have "Deferred Action" on because they were "Childhood Arrivals". That...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 21, 2018:

Passing the DACA violated existing immigration laws. Fixing that problem is a legal requirement. If the government continues to pass conflicting laws then what's the point in having laws? I support its repeal on that principal. If you never repealed Jay walking laws but decided to add a law that said it was illegal to use cross walks, then you have created a legal paradox. Granted the repercussions are quite disperate, but it is an accurate analogy of the legal ramifications. The great thing about America is the fact that you can start any nonprofit organization that you want. That means that instead of appealing to the government, you can take action to get these kids visas, scholarships, food and housing. That way you're not undermining the law and you save tax payers money. As a bonus it shows that you are capable of affecting change regardless of the will of people you disagree with. If this approach was taken instead of passing the DACA these kids would be better off and we could focus on important things, like balancing the budget so the government doesn't shut down ever 11 months.

Do People Understand That DACA Recipients Are Not Illegal Immigrants?

wordywalt comments on Jan 21, 2018:

Those against DACA are nothing more than ethnocentric bigots.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 21, 2018:

That's a strong opinion. Did you read the DACA before you formed it? What is your evidence that not supporting this piece of legislation is purely based on ethnocentric bigotry?

Do People Understand That DACA Recipients Are Not Illegal Immigrants?

sassygirl3869 comments on Jan 21, 2018:

Unfortunately herr trump, some Right Wing Pubs, and his followers are ignorant. They don't comprehend that DACA recipients are not illegal immigrants.

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 21, 2018:

You didn't read the DACA, did you?

My thoughts on dealing with trolls: 1) Block them 2) Refer to step one 3) Take pleasure in the ...

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 19, 2018:

Troll: But how do you know gods not real? Me: In all of human history there has never been any proof of a god, but there is a never ending supply of facts that render your god impossible. Troll: you can't disprove god! You're an idiot and you're going to hell. Me: you never read your bible, do ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 20, 2018:

I'm very familiar with all the arguments for not believing in God(s). I've been at this for 22 years, I've never been beat in a debate on the subject. Of course that's nothing to brag about when the claim is so rediculouse to begin with.

My thoughts on dealing with trolls: 1) Block them 2) Refer to step one 3) Take pleasure in the ...

jayneonacobb comments on Jan 19, 2018:

Troll: But how do you know gods not real? Me: In all of human history there has never been any proof of a god, but there is a never ending supply of facts that render your god impossible. Troll: you can't disprove god! You're an idiot and you're going to hell. Me: you never read your bible, do ...

jayneonacobb replies on Jan 19, 2018:

I get that, enough is always just that. I'm sure winning the same arguments over and over will lose its appeal to me in time and I'll hang up the old gunbelt, so to speak. Until then I'll keep adding notches to my grips. I just love to turn the tables on trolls and dispell bad ideas.

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