Thanks for your efforts.

I can’t see any problems in any of the groups under my control. Light touch and common sense should be the byword for hosts/moderators.

Yes!

So now these Facebook trolls can fuck with you more!

I blocked an completely rude condescending insulting admin from harassing me further!
I was blocked from the group for stoping an avoiding further conflict!

I call total BS and this gives the Facebook Fascists trolls more power to discriminate against any one they disagree with!

Interesting.. i see a lot of complaints happening, but i assume things will settle out with time.

cool.

I welcome the probability of getting messages moved and/or banned.

This is why i suggested a count for how many have banned me. Otherwise how will i learn?

"Moderator & Group Creator Meetings" We talk about what hosts and mods do in groups.

We have chat hours in the evenings. And a more formal meeting Sunday evening.

Maybe some group owners want to get together and discuss the changes?

I've always based removing member content on Hate Speech and threats more than anything. Actual violoation of TOS of the site.

I've been here since Oct. 2017 and removed 4 comments in groups. So it's not something I'm apt to start doing now either. But if it's something bad enough that I thought Admin and SiteSupport were going to remove it later? It's going to warrant some thought.

I wouldn't mind bouncing ideas off other originators to see their thoughts on the topic? PM me or join the group if you are interested.

The heaviness or lightness of moderation is always a tradeoff. I have been on sites where it is too heavy (city-data atheism & agnosticism / religion forums) or too light (the now-defunct TheThinkingAtheist forums). Personally I liked the latter better than the former. On TTA, moderators evicted sock puppets and people trying to promote / sell things and people who did not debate fairly, but no one was ever evicted for an idea. The fascinating part of that, is that while for example you couldn't be booted for xenophobia or racism or homophobia, people arguing in favor of such things were generally incapable of avoiding ad hominem attacks, stalking, trolling, and other such behaviors, which got them booted anyway.

I am not sure why those pages went down or if they spun off someplace. People were rather more hot-headed there but I found it bracing and kind of miss it as one of my pit stops. It could have been more civil at times -- some users were gratuitously vulgar and frank -- but it's the one place I've been where I could take the time and effort to respond to something with full confidence that the thread wouldn't be shut down, moved, or removed -- or that I myself might be second-guessed based on some other member taking offense.

Until now, by my staying in the general fora, this place has at least approached that standard.

The problem with this direction your heading in, as I see it, is the moderation in each group is entirely up to the group owner so you have no idea what you're getting into if you post there. Presumably there will be a sticky post with group rules but it might be badly written, dated or disingenuous. The owner can be a decent human, or someone with thin skin and sharp elbows. In short, each group is its own "brand".

Do you really want to cede your brand to the group owners?

Seems to me you could have some overall community standards to which group owners agree to be accountable as a condition of being allowed to use the platform. Otherwise it'll just devolve into the Wild, Wild West. And that way users have some recourse if a group owner doesn't meet at least those minimum standards, plus, the Agnostic/Humanist.com brands are not diluted or sullied. Like it or not, if a group owner is an asshat, some of that asshattery transfers onto the site owners because you tolerate it, tacitly or otherwise.

You have chosen to create a social media platform, so it seems to me that this quest to get yourself off the hook for any moderation or even indirect meta-moderation, demonstrates a failure to understand what you've gotten yourself into. I don't think you can completely evade some police work.

Fair enough.

@Admin Applause

Good luck with that. You have have a lot more faith in human nature than I do. Same thing with feeling you can trust all the group moderators to be fair with all members. Now watch everybody feel they have to walk on eggshells instead of being honest or outspoken. It was nice while it lasted....The mutual understanding is that the mods have all the power and the other members must toe the line, that's the only thing mutual, certainly not the power situation. If someone gets treated badly by a mod they will have to leave the group and start a competing group on that topic. We already have too many groups, but it will get even worse.....But at least general forum is back, so people can post and comment there without any tyranny of group mods there. Thanks for that....