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USING THE BIBLE AGAINST ITSELF #1

1 John 3:4
King James Version
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin is transgression of gods law, if god exists.

If god does not exist, then the law is a fraud, and belongs to no valid authority, hence there can be no sin.

Go in peace, be human.

EarnestEccentric 7 Aug 2
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This law refers to the laws of the nation of Israel prior to 2000 years ago.

Now, there is the laws such as the United States of America code, each state laws and local county municipal laws.

Sin = crime, wrongdoing, fallacy etc.. That is all it is say. Have you ran s red light? Fail to use your blinker properly and timely? Then you have violated a law. You are a criminal. But the laws of America, sin is not the word used now days, but sin is the same, or synonym as crime. You could say sin is an antiquated word for what is now called a crime.

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@EarnestEccentric

A. First, "God" can be defined in different and in ways contradictory to different definitions.

A. Second, the original post reference the biblical text, so we look at it's definition of a "God" in reference to biblical/Hebrew text. Elohim:

  1. "Elohim" is found 2602 times in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh, Old Testament). (It is not used in the Greek New Testament.)
    The word is used for: the true God, false gods, supernatural spirits (angels), and human leaders (kings, judges, the messiah). [hebrew-streams.org]
  2. Refering to people that wrote the old testiment law: John 10:34-35 34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law,(A) ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a]?🍺 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God☕ came—and Scripture cannot be set aside🍸

A. Answer: In view of the context for the original post: People that wrote the laws are the gods.

B. Basically defined Law. In most all modern jurisdictions it would be a written script of some sort often codified.

  1. the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties. [languages.oup.com]
  2. The "law of Moses" is a common reference to the written laws that governed the nation of Israel over 2000 years ago. Scripture is a word basically saying something is in writing, from script.

C. "Law from God" in view of biblical context would be as basically explained above: The written laws governing the nation of Israel prior to 2000 years ago. Prophets, judges, kings [called Elohim or Gods] of old testiment were simular to modern day Executive branch and Judicial branch offices that would make executive orders [give prophesy] or change laws like modern Judges of America courts can do. So then, the writings of the prophets. etc. being in writing had simular value as being written laws.

@EarnestEccentric People are gods, gods exist, atheism illogical. Any more questions?

@EarnestEccentric Google search definition:

Bi·ble
/ˈbībəl/
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noun
the Christian scriptures, consisting of the Old and New Testaments.
"verses from the Bible"
Similar:
the (Holy) Scriptures
Holy Writ
the Good Book
the Book of Books
New English Bible
King James Bible
Authorized Version
Revised Version
Good News Bible
Jerusalem Bible
Geneva Bible
Gideon Bible
the Jewish scriptures, consisting of the Torah or Law, the Prophets, and the Hagiographa or Writings.
a copy of the Christian or Jewish scriptures.
noun: bible; plural noun: bibles
"clutching a large black Bible under his arm

@EarnestEccentric why are you asking me this?These words, heaven and hell are in a dictionary. As to people being gods, I would not say they are invisible. What god thingie AND stuff are you referring to?

@EarnestEccentric The flying spaghetti monster sky God is said to be invisible, you should ask the pastafarian people about the invisible god they created.

@EarnestEccentric Elohim in the style of the angels, Lucifer the devil most commonly known as Jesus the Christ leading the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers since their freedom from England July 4th, 1776.

@Word No they are not devil worshipers. The do appear to be descendants of the Knights Templers oddly enough.

@DavidLaDeau ...Egyptian metaphysical tradition and modern mystery schools, of which Freemasonry is one.

It is Freemasonry’s aim to educate an initiate on the god concealed in the unfathomable depths of his own essence, represented by the letter G in the middle of the square and compasses, symbolizing the divine spark within, the god essence of oneself.

“We shall find that the old Egyptians had so great a regard for silence and secrecy in the mysteries of their religion, that they set up the god Harpocrates, to whom they paid peculiar honor and veneration, who was represented with the right hand placed near the heart, and the left down by his side, covered with a skin before, full of eyes and ears, to signify, that of many things to be seen and heard, few are to be published.” [gaia.com]

@DavidLaDeau I don't have time to finish explinationright now but look for your self with these suggestions. ... then study "the kingdom of god within you". Then study biblical teachings that say the persons body is the temple of "god". Adolph Hitler demon posessed by a Jesus style God.

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Note that the author of 1 John is not Pauline in influence, but rather Jewish. This is a notable split between the earliest of Chirstians. The two very different theologies were merged to get a very disjointed and often conflictory theology, as in the Pauline theology the Law did not matter at all as Jesus fufilled the law perfectly. The author of this John disagrees profoundly.

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No existence of God = No existence of sin. Also no existence of heaven and hell. I would have thought that obvious.

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