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Sadly, this falsehood is still going strong.

Melbates 7 Mar 30
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Yeah, we had a smallpox outbreak because of these antivax assholes

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As a baby boomer that traveled a lot in the 60s, I got vaccinated a lot and often. Vaccines then were much more toxic and the reported incidence was very low compared to the present. In the last 20 years, they have become much less problematic. That does not mean they are problem free, but if they were responsible, the tendency should be inverted. However, this is not the case. (see [cdc.gov] ). One of the reasons the numbers have increased is that the screening and diagnosis protocols have improved. The other point to keep in mind is that ASD is present in places where vaccines are a luxury. One thing is for sure, there is more than one reason that determines if a person has autism and, in some cases, it is a combination of genetic and environmental factors that cause it. The vaccine hypothesis proposed by Wakefield did not make sense, I really don't know what he was thinking.

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Sadanty Level 5 Apr 4, 2018

You were fully vaccinated with three shots. Kids receive 80 by puberty now and you can't see where people are counting at this enviromental factor? You realize Wakefield's research was discredited not because his data was falsified but his financial had a conflict of interest. The CDC that you cite here has a revolving door at the top with Merck. They are no more credible than Wakefield. The american vaccine schedule is a corporate for profit conspiracy. If this is somehow news to you than I think you should brush up on the topic. It's blatant. The CDC assertion that vaccines are safe and effective is not backed up by science. I will say this. Vaccines are powerful and should only be used where science and Hippocrates meet. Vaccines with no liability for their outcomes would be accurately and honestly be peddled by street thugs.

@EricWalton Vaccines are not one thing or one type, there are many different types of vaccines and they are also prepared differently. Depending on what vaccine we are talking about, the issues will be different. Blanket statements do not apply. Wakefield's research was based on a very small population, 12 kids exposed to the MMR vaccine, that was the basis for his hypothesis, Wakefield used that word to describe his work ( see : [thelancet.com] after the publication in The Lancet. Hypothesis: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation. You can see the original Wakefield paper here: [sciencedirect.com] . They observed "Onset of behavioural symptoms was associated, by the parents, with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children, with measles infection in one child, and otitis media in another. " In other words, his results were meaningless from a statistical point of view, he was irresponsible and unethical in making that hypothesis without considering the uncertainty behind his observations. Thousands of man-hours spent on research during the last 20 years have shown that Andrew Wakefield's hypothesis was wrong. It is not just the CDC. By the way, while in North America and Europe private companies are responsible for the manufacture of vaccines, in many countries the vaccines are manufactured locally by a government agency. They have not backed Wakefield either.

As early as 1999, it was clear that there was no relationship between MMR vaccine and autism (see [doi.org] . So today you have people who don't vaccinate their kids because a proposal made based on a study that looked at 12 kids that had received one specific vaccine developed in the 80s.

As to me getting three shots, actually no, before I was a year old (1959) I was injected with 5 different vaccines as my parents traveled through Europe. By the time I was 10 (1969) I had two vaccination booklets full of seals certifying different vaccinations. All of them contained preservatives which are not used today in North America, for example, Thimerosal.

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Big pharma would clearly rather talk about anything other than their profiteering at the expense of our health. They're failing so badly at keeping people healthy (great for profits though) I can only imagine the opposition will grow.

EricWalton Level 3 Mar 30, 2018
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Unfortunately, most doctors aren't educated thoroughly enough on the early signs of an infant at risk for ASD. Most parents will report that everything was typical until one day it wasn't, until questioned. At that point, you realize the signs were there almost from the beginning.

PhoebeCat Level 7 Mar 30, 2018

Not always. I know Autism and it's warning signs thoroughly. I'd been working with Autistic kids for years when my nephew was born. He was sharing smiles and laughs and kisses, playing with toys, and loved toddling after the family cat. Then, at 15 months, he got the MMR, DTaP, and chicken pox vaccines. The following morning he woke up screaming and headbanging. It took two years of Biomedical interventions and Speech Therapy before we heard him say another word. And he's never gotten back all his old love of people.

And yes, he's been diagnosed with Autism.

@TaraMarshall speaking of nephew's, mine is autistic, as well. Showed signs from birth.

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He received no internal reinforcement from interaction with people so he stopped. Nothing to do with a vaccine.

@Melbates, in my family, we're Regressive Autism, not Developmental. And that's PRECISELY the demographic that's increasing.

My girl did everything on time, turning, smiling, rolling, walking. She had a 10 apgar at birth.
However she had a horrible & immediate reaction to the DTP vax, which was recorded on site: splotches, vomiting, diarrhea, fever. Of course no one was around to hold our hands for the aftermath.
For years we paid out of pocket for speech therapy. Thousands of dollars and hours of our lives. There were times I was terrified she would never learn her colors.
She was 5 before we could have an entire conversation with her.

FF years and various articles out about the connection between gut health and cognition.
Indeed she did have gastrointestinal issues.
Gut health is EVERYTHING. You(global) think vax don't affect digestive flora?
This is simple deduction.

I also find it suspect that Big Pharma is this sacred cow that no one is allowed to question because of Wakefield & "science". WHAT "science"?. Paid for by who???
Ever wonder why there hasn't been pharmaceutical funding of autism? Follow the money.

Thankfully she is mild on the spectrum, one has to spend a great deal of time with her to see it, but it's there.

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LOL, not exactly what happened.

Clarification?

@Melbates, among other things, several of his fellow researchers clarified that they did find vaccine-variant measles virus in the intestinal samples from the Autistic patients. And it's been replicated three times I know of

@TaraMarshall seems you are the one who is misinformed. His claims have never been reproduced.

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

@Melbates, I've READ THE STUDIES. You are reading propaganda.

@TaraMarshall please provide proof.

@Melbates, that requires my computer, so Monday. But Wikipedia isn't even REMOTELY a reliable source of information. I used to be one of the editors, when it first started out. I was a witness to the Canadian military incursion at Kennewake, along with my grandparents. I still had my old journal at the time. Other editors kept "correcting" it back to the Canadian government's cover story.

They know what side their bread is buttered on.

@TaraMarshall I get the feeling you're a conspiracy theorist. Nice talking with you. G'nite.

@Melbates, only when there's actual evidence of a conspiracy. I don't think anything of Area 51 or chemtrails, 9/11 probably wasn't an inside job.

But when I was a witness to events that I KNOW did not happen as described, or when it comes to injecting substances designed to cause an immune response into people who largely have immune dysfunction, I tend to get kind of prickly.

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