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Some people see the writing on the wall... others whistle past the graveyard.

WilliamCharles 8 Apr 18
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Not all Republicans are Christians..... as IamSure not all Democrats are anti-Christian (for lack of a better word). At the end of the day, we are all Americans.

IamNobody Level 8 Apr 18, 2019

The right claims to love America, but a sizable portion of them seem to hate close to half of their fellow citizens.

As far as the notion of anti-religionism, this is my view.

:-----:

"People are =/= to their religion

I am most definitely an infidel in that I have no belief in any god or gods. A person’s individual godview is the most basic right possible that a human being can have. I personally reject Islam, Judaism, and Christianity (among others)…but do not reject Muslims, Jews, and Christians. A person’s religion and religious culture are most predictably based on their family of origin, where they were born (geography), and when they were born (i.e. no Xians pre-Christ).

I stand with all people on the planet willing to work together as a species to live peacefully with each other and our environment. That does not change regardless of the actions of some who think their ‘godview’ justifies any number of horrible acts.

I reject those who use such acts to demonize people who are damned for nothing more than ‘guilt by association.’"

~ LanceThruster

@WilliamCharles I don't know Lance Thruster and probably would rather know what you think instead. I can tell you what I think. It's not my job to talk anyone into anything. People will believe what they want to believe. Works just fine for me for as long as I get the same courtesy from someone else, not trying to talk me into their agenda.

@IamNobody LanceThruster is me. It's the online name I write under so I like to attribute the quote accordingly. I am WilliamCharles at Facebook and LanceThruster is my political page there.

I think I represent humanism quite well over there and acquaintances from all godviews from all over the globe. I just made friends with a wonderful Anglican minister because we shared similar views on Notre Dame Cathedral.

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Been there, done that. First of two warnings - refrain from trolling this group.

Could you maybe define "trolling" then? Is your cognitive dissonance such that you deem any GOP thought not in line with your own "flavor" verboten?

I mean, you've got Michele Bachmann declaring that Trump is ordained by God "Himself" based on his own godly cred.

Why distance yourself from your base? Own it, fer chrissakes.

But it's not "trolling". It's the truth.
Hurling a threat just because you can't handle the truth says way more about you than @WilliamCharles.

The current incarnation of the republican party has been completely hijacked by believers.
Republican atheists, as few of them as there are, have NO voice in the party.
That's also the truth.
I'm not a liberal, or a democrat. I used to be a registered republican until 1983, when Saint Ronnie and the "moral majority" corrupted the GOP.
I became an Independent then, and am still an Independent today.
The GOP has only gotten worse with the influence of religion.
You can't deny that, and the republican atheists can't get the party back either.

Barry Goldwater was one of the last of the REAL republicans.
He started the "Golden Fleece" awards.
No republican does that anymore. Why not?

These are all legitimate questions. How do the republican atheists propose to get the party back to it's core values, and not just bash Obama and the ACA?
I honestly don't think they can do it.
Religion has become too entrenched within the party and the atheists have little to no chance of getting it back on track.

I'm not trolling you either.
I am completely serious.
Everything I hear from the RA sounds like the rest of the party, just without mentioning gods and religion.
Still supporting "trickle-down economics", which has been repeatedly proven NOT to work.
Still interfering with female bodily autonomy.
The list goes on.
The real republican party has been gone for decades.

@KKGator I've had enough discussions with you to see you are also trolling this group. This is a group supporting the Republican Party. It is not an unregistered voter group. First of two warnings for you.

@WilliamCharles You've reached two warnings. This is a group that supports the Republican Party, not solely challenge it. Goodbye.

@repubatheists I am not trolling. I am attempting to engage in actual discussion with you.
Since when is disagreement and discussion considered "trolling"???
Or are you just labeling it "trolling" because you don't like the questions?
Or is it just because you cannot reasonably defend your party and it's positions?
If that's the case, just say so.

Your "warnings" are lame. If you can't handle discourse, that's on you, not me.
I haven't done anything to warrant a "warning". I haven't been disrespectful.
I haven't made a single untrue statement.

Btw, I AM a registered voter, and haven't missed casting a ballot since I became eligible to vote in 1979.

Do what you have to do. Humanists are supposed to be about letting their worldview go head-to-head in the arena of ideas, not operate from inside a bubble.

I felt you occasionally brought up good points. I prefer that. One sharpens one's own positions by evaluating rebuttals and counterarguments fairly.

You seem to want to merely "preach to the choir."

When someone in here bemoans, "Why aren't there more Republican atheists?"... this is why.

Even on simple inquiries not involved in trolling in the slightest, like when I ask you to offer some champions of your economic system you endorse I could read... not a single name (unless it showed up later).

Instead, it's just the meme mindset of your Fox Noise watching elders. Just as puzzling, and just as easily refuted.

But keep telling yourselves that you're steely-eyed pragmatists able to discern truth everyone else seems to be missing.

It's no more compelling than any of the rest of the bunkum you've thrown against the wall hoping some of it will stick.

@WilliamCharles “Republican” doesn’t imply any particular religious belief. Same for “Democrat.” The right at this time doesn’t commune with the left, but that’s hardly the right’s fault. Antifa isn’t known for sending rose bouquets to their targets. Much of the left’s agita is hokum, as the Jussie Smollet hoax and the Nick Sandman public pillorying illustrate. In a capsule, those two events explain why Republicans outrank the other party when it comes to tolerance.

@ArturoS

The sensible wing of the left is far more sensible than the "sensible" wing of the right as far as I'm concerned. To pretend Smollet taints people concerned about hate crimes is just nonsense. Sandman doesn't ring any bells. The anti-abortion kid?

@KKGator I have had discussions with you. I'm not giving you warnings out of no where. Trolling a group is not a "right" 🙂

@repubatheists Again with the accusation of "trolling". I reject your accusation as patently false. I do not "troll". I may challenge positions, but that's reasonable engagement. I also find it interesting that you're being so threatened by legitimate debate. It smacks of being the "snowflakes" the "other side" is so often accused of being.
Again, I have not been disrespectful, I have not trolled you, or the group.
I fail to see what I've done to warrant your "warning".

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