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Is it just me or has anyone else noticed in the chapter "We Agnostics" Bill goes out of his way to force his belief in god upon the new man. I have consistently followed the instructions in the book and have "tour guided" many men through the steps (as well as remaining sober myself) without the need for "the unconvincing argument" aka everything after the asterisk in that chapter. It seems a little heavy handed to demand an answer to the question "God is everything or he is nothing. What was our choice to be?" I honestly believe the nonbeliever members should have told Bill to soften the approach even further. "Bill, nobody likes to be god bit" Dr. Wm. D. Silkworth.

DaveAaron 5 Feb 27
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realneal54 Level 5 Mar 23, 2018

I had to read the first 164 pages before my sponsor would begin step work with me. Did not like it all that much.


I had to look but I'm not sure our "little book" (I don't recall the title but it wasn't "little book" ) from '85 was ever published for public purchase.

The description of this Little Book, first published in 2013, describes ours very well though.


DangerDave Level 8 Feb 27, 2018

Thanks for the book referral. I am in EA and, while there is a lot of god stuff, it sounds like AA has more. Does AA have a similar Twelve Traditions with #3 being: "The only requirement for EA membership is a desire to become well emotionally."

No to my knowledge. I'd think not. It's something I'd expect to find in EA literature.


Absolutely, and many institutions and 12 step programs seem to identify that as well. I began working as counselor with a 72 page "little book" for our clients with a paraphrased 12 steps and a much more modern approach to them. It was very "liberal" in its approach to the HP and was my first exposure to the concept of "Group Of Drunks/Druggies".

I think Bill W may have been affected by the beliefs expounded by the Oxford Group (specifically in the need for god to get sober) but he is very clear on his own. Still, I think it is clear to the unbeliever who are better able to formulate the HP beyond the limitations of the big book.

DangerDave Level 8 Feb 27, 2018
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