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Hi - a question around the brou-haha over The Bell Curve and Charles Murray from awhile back.

I don't have any of the information in front of me, and am loathe to try to "study up" on the whole matter to make a comment, but in replaying some of it in my mind, there's a basic question:

If I recall, Harris said here and there that certain things were basic science and "facts". How did Harris approach this when it came to evidence of a connection (correlation? causal? dunno) between IQ and race? I ask because while I respect Harris in general, I tend to grit my teeth when scientists seem to reflect a lack of awareness that in some branches of science, what may be termed irrefutable evidence or facts may ultimately turn out to be mis-framed. I don't have any particular example in mind, but does anyone recall roughly how Harris approached this?

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The shit spewed by Ezra Klein is a great example of Fucked News. Klein is evil. As are any who attack science without reason.

Sam is all about science. As it Murray. Too many imbeciles have gone all ad hominem instead of actually using their frontal lobes.

JacarC Level 8 Aug 18, 2018
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I asked this question:

"...If I recall, Harris said here and there that certain things were basic science and "facts". How did Harris approach this when it came to evidence of a connection (correlation? causal? dunno) between IQ and race? I ask because while I respect Harris in general, I tend to grit my teeth when scientists seem to reflect a lack of awareness that in some branches of science, what may be termed irrefutable evidence or facts may ultimately turn out to be mis-framed. I don't have any particular example in mind, but does anyone recall roughly how Harris approached this?..."

Does Murray account for, or examine, difficulties in testing for intelligence, such as language barriers? Or severely deficient educational systems which may impact a test subject's ability to respond (or are IQ tests truly immune to this?) It may be that intelligence correlates with "race", to some degree or another. As to causation I don't know. It may be that intelligence is based in genetics, to some degree or another. It may be that environmental and social factors are also factors. My impression has been that to take all questions in this area as fully settled, and to assume that there can be no possible mis-use of the results of the science, is a bit much, if that's roughly what was going on.

In any event, I didn't ask for views as to Murray's views, and I don't recall how much of them Harris agreed with, but I wanted to get an improved idea of how he (Harris) framed the science.

kmaz Level 7 Aug 15, 2018
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No real racism here. Very disappointed with all the lefters condemning science.

And concluding only stupidness.

JacarC Level 8 Aug 14, 2018

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