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I'd like to know if others in this forum agree with me on this.
KKGator comments on Jul 31, 2020:
How would you propose those actions be brought to reality? No sarcasm intended. I'm just hoping for a viable plan.
Fernapple replies on Jul 31, 2020:
There is a difference between sarcasm, and hoping for a viable plan ?
What are your feelings about cologne?
Fernapple comments on Jul 28, 2020:
Don't really like it. Though it has its uses, they tell me that if you are close enough, and down wind enough, to smell someones cologne, you are close enough to catch covid, so its a good warning sign. And why does clothes wash have to be scented. You go into the store and are offered. "Fresh ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 31, 2020:
@Lorajay Well Ok, cotton and wool then. Though I think that Nylon smells of nothing.
TL;DR - if you were going to use the Socratic method in some street epistemology to talk to a person...
Fernapple comments on Jul 30, 2020:
I would say that if you have never been involved in such talks with theists, then you have been lucky. And that a better way to spread the idea of sceptical thinking, is to set a good example of being a good human being, while being open about your lack of faith in the supernatural. However ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 31, 2020:
@prometheus Yes I agree with all of that. Though with regard to the teapot, you have to remember that when he said that, almost anything in space was effectively invisible, and things like orbiting telescopes were not even deamed of in science fiction.
Vote for one of these? I've been bored. Six pieces in a week.
Fernapple comments on Apr 9, 2020:
Top comes of to make a small pot.
Fernapple replies on Jul 30, 2020:
@PondartIncbendog Birch, but with fungal markings.
Who else is a TIME TEAM - BBC series fan? You can watch all 19 seasons on YouTube. [youtu.be]
Fernapple comments on Jul 30, 2020:
Video says, not available in my country, sadly.
Fernapple replies on Jul 30, 2020:
@Lorajay Thanks.
[businessinsider.
Fernapple comments on Jul 29, 2020:
Fear of mediocrity, that it will just become a repetitive drudge, neither wholly failed nor successful, yet still a binding commitment.
Fernapple replies on Jul 29, 2020:
@Unpretentious No but people may still fear it, and it can be a pain, if your endevour is one where the benefits only go to the small percentage at the top, and those who crash out escape.
I do hope people are aware of this reality, but here's a map.
barjoe comments on Jul 29, 2020:
So I'm sure there's crime throughout the rest of Portland. Trump brought Martial Law to a few Square blocks, as you point out. Has that alleviated crime in Portland?
Fernapple replies on Jul 29, 2020:
@barjoe I see.
Common foods that could secretly contain insect fragments- [rd.
Fernapple comments on Jul 28, 2020:
Rodent hairs are also found in most foods, for the same reason. Remember the old rule, peel it or cook it, never eat salad and never eat anything that someone else has prepared. Meh, a bad attack of the runs is a better way to go than most.
Fernapple replies on Jul 29, 2020:
@Pralina1 I love you, but I love the rich wonder of this world even more, sorry.
I do hope people are aware of this reality, but here's a map.
barjoe comments on Jul 29, 2020:
So I'm sure there's crime throughout the rest of Portland. Trump brought Martial Law to a few Square blocks, as you point out. Has that alleviated crime in Portland?
Fernapple replies on Jul 29, 2020:
It does not say crime, it says protests, and the federal forces in question are not responding to crime.
Common foods that could secretly contain insect fragments- [rd.
Fernapple comments on Jul 28, 2020:
Rodent hairs are also found in most foods, for the same reason. Remember the old rule, peel it or cook it, never eat salad and never eat anything that someone else has prepared. Meh, a bad attack of the runs is a better way to go than most.
Fernapple replies on Jul 29, 2020:
@Pralina1 That's the point, they don't look like bugs, they are bugs.
Humans are predators.
FearlessFly comments on Jul 28, 2020:
. . . btw, at a Chinese 50th wedding anniversary, I had shark-fin soup -- didn't care for it. :O
Fernapple replies on Jul 29, 2020:
You may have heard this story before, but its a fairly good one. It is said that the Romans tried to impress Cleopatra with a feast. She said that she did not think much of the food. To which they replied that they had served all the most expensive dishes they knew of, and that the whole feast had cost a fortune. She then called for a glass of vinegar, took off one of her pearl earings, disolved the pearl in the vinegar and drank it. She then said, that that was the most expensive drink there, and it was horrible.
Common foods that could secretly contain insect fragments- [rd.
Fernapple comments on Jul 28, 2020:
Rodent hairs are also found in most foods, for the same reason. Remember the old rule, peel it or cook it, never eat salad and never eat anything that someone else has prepared. Meh, a bad attack of the runs is a better way to go than most.
Fernapple replies on Jul 29, 2020:
@Pralina1 If you don't like eating bugs on your food, try prawns.
Is human morality (ethics) hard wired or is it a learned behaviour? Or an a adaption of both?
Fernapple comments on Jun 10, 2020:
Since all higher social animals show some forms of morality, which is to a degree certainly hard wired, the real question is. Why would humans be the exception ? Everything has to be hard wired at the bottom of it. As Marionville below says. "Human survival from out earliest ancestor's time has ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 29, 2020:
@Atheist3 Please enlarge on why that should be important.
Anyone surprised? [businessinsider.com.au]
Fernapple comments on Jul 28, 2020:
Of course, why would an organization which built its wealth by exploiting the weak and vulnerable, creating poverty across half the world in order to enrich itself. Then refuse a hand out from a wealthy nation as well.
Fernapple replies on Jul 28, 2020:
@powder Well yes, although by organization, I implied bigger and more multinational than any nation state.
Bloody summer in Mojacar.
Allamanda comments on Jul 27, 2020:
I'm struggling with all those same-sames, I'd planned to be in Spain to be COOLER this summer (and yes that is possible, as I live in the Tropics and Galicia hasn't gone over 90 yet this year). We are all stuck on the Covid Mobius strip...
Fernapple replies on Jul 28, 2020:
"Covid Mobius strip" I love it, round and round, and over and over, and back to where you started from with nowhere to go but round again. LOL
Allamanda on here posted about Donald Culross Peattie the other day.
Allamanda comments on Jul 27, 2020:
I'd ordered a book of Chet Raymo's from that other post - but which of Peattie's would you recommend?
Fernapple replies on Jul 28, 2020:
I would recommend, especially if you like plants, 'Flowering Earth', some of the science is way out of date now, but it is such a wonderful read. Part botany and part biographical using his own life as a metaphor for the growth of life on earth, with some wonderful passages about the North American flora, and in many editions wonderful art deco period wood engravings.
Bloody summer in Mojacar.
Fernapple comments on Jul 27, 2020:
We are all bored and unable to work, its getting to be a club with a lot of members. I don't know why people rush to the Med in summer either, I always go south in winter and early spring to escape the cold to somewhere warm. Why go somewhere roasting hot when its nice where you are and then sit ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 27, 2020:
@Lorajay And I guess you have to spend Christmas at home. I like to get away from that especially.
Do masks help stop the spread of the C19 virus?
Fernapple comments on Jul 27, 2020:
Just posted this on another line too. That's the idea, a nappy (diaper) for your face. Should have always been a legal requirement when going out in public, even before the virus, given that the mouth always contain more dangerous germs than the anus. Much safer too to kiss someones anus ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 27, 2020:
@FrayedBear Google will provide a wealth of such. But of course if you are selective in the sites you visit, to make sure you stay within your echo chamber, then, what good is it for science to put evidence out there.
This site's business model perplexes me.
AmyTheBruce comments on Jul 26, 2020:
Maybe names are being gathered for the Great Purge. 😁 Wouldn't that be a hoot?
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
@Lorajay You are a nice lady, don't go there !!!
Ordinarily he's insane, but he has lucid moments when he is merely stupid, Heinrich Heine
Healthydoc70 comments on Jul 25, 2020:
The world appears as an unweeded garden where things rank and vile flourish-Mary Wollstonecraft
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
@Healthydoc70 Don't worry, we are by definition realists, and for the most part stoics.
This site's business model perplexes me.
AmyTheBruce comments on Jul 26, 2020:
Maybe names are being gathered for the Great Purge. 😁 Wouldn't that be a hoot?
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
@Sgt_Spanky Have you ever noticed that there are no 'tens'. Maybe when you get to ten that's when you get the knock on the door in the middle of the night, by a couple of hooded strangers, and you are never seen again. LOL
This site's business model perplexes me.
Apunzelle comments on Jul 26, 2020:
There is no business model. The site owners are doing this as a service to us. Isn’t that awesome?
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
@Sgt_Spanky Yes that's a good idea.
This site's business model perplexes me.
Fernapple comments on Jul 26, 2020:
I am told that we have a couple of benefactors who pay the bills. If that is true or not I am not sure.
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
@Sgt_Spanky I was told it by a couple of 'nines', who had been here a long time and may know more. That's all I got.
I'm getting bored here, I no longer see the mission of this site
LeighShelton comments on Jul 26, 2020:
it does seem to have got a bit dull
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
I blame that on Trump. Why not he gets blamed for everything else, and if he has done nothing else he has certainly dominated this site for a long while.
“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man ...
Fernapple comments on Jul 26, 2020:
When you are 6 you think that your parents know everything. When you are 16 you think they are the most stupid people on the planet. 26 you think they are improving a little. 36 you see how you were a little unkind. 46 you see how wise they really were. 56 you think your judgment at sixteen, may ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
@OwlInASack I met a friend in the town the other day, and she said. "When I first spotted you walking down the street, I though I had seen the ghost of your father."
“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man ...
Fernapple comments on Jul 26, 2020:
When you are 6 you think that your parents know everything. When you are 16 you think they are the most stupid people on the planet. 26 you think they are improving a little. 36 you see how you were a little unkind. 46 you see how wise they really were. 56 you think your judgment at sixteen, may ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
@Marionville I am sure your mother was a lovely person.
Colour everywhere in the garden now, with a super wealth of peacock butterflies, on Buddleja and ...
Flowerwall comments on Jul 25, 2020:
This butterfly must be a product of Japanese kawaii. If you look at it in just the right way it appears as an extremely endearing, sweet charcter with the most soulful eyes. Okay maybe not a product of kawaii, but possibly an inspiration for the style? I can see how that could be.
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
Yep, I see it.
Ordinarily he's insane, but he has lucid moments when he is merely stupid, Heinrich Heine
Healthydoc70 comments on Jul 25, 2020:
The world appears as an unweeded garden where things rank and vile flourish-Mary Wollstonecraft
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
You are using up a lot of good quotes, which could go at the top of the page ?
I'm just gonna leave this here. : UFOs
Fernapple comments on Jul 25, 2020:
Maybe they are just redefining terms. UFO, Unidentified Flying Object, is a term which should really never have had anything to do with aliens, and should have remained just a technical term in aviation, saying just what it says on the tin. Then you don't have to do a double think if someone asks ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 26, 2020:
@PondartIncbendog Exactly.
“Closet” Agnostic/Atheist.
Fernapple comments on Jul 23, 2020:
You are under no moral obligation to share your unbelief with anyone. It need be no more than your own private mater, and there is no need to feel you are being dishonest in any way by not telling people about it. Most of the people in most of the churches, probably do not believe, but they are ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 25, 2020:
@JeffMurray It may be a trans-Atlantic thing as well. Our Christian culture here is quite different from that of the US.
I'll say good night, all you sweet people.
Fernapple comments on Jul 25, 2020:
Good Morning. I hope you slept well.
Fernapple replies on Jul 25, 2020:
@Spinliesel Yes well too. And it is a fine morning here.
Religion does three things quite effectively: divides people, controls people, deludes people.
Fernapple comments on Jul 24, 2020:
Should though perhaps be the other way round, deludes, controls and divides, do you not think ?
Fernapple replies on Jul 25, 2020:
@yvilletom Sadly true.
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Fernapple comments on Jul 17, 2020:
Nice photo, but there is something wrong with your word processor.
Fernapple replies on Jul 24, 2020:
@2bisgoodenuff Yes, and space bar seems not to work. Does not bother me, but some of the pedants on here can turn really nasty, just warning you. LOL I still have the mental scars.
“Closet” Agnostic/Atheist.
Fernapple comments on Jul 23, 2020:
You are under no moral obligation to share your unbelief with anyone. It need be no more than your own private mater, and there is no need to feel you are being dishonest in any way by not telling people about it. Most of the people in most of the churches, probably do not believe, but they are ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 24, 2020:
@JeffMurray Oh I would not say they have lied to me, I live in the UK and have little contact with Christians, it is in part just an assumption based on hearing old stats about how many priests are secretly atheists etc. Although the couple I have spoken with admitted that they did not literally believe, but were only culturally attached. Many of the so called culturally attached show the most appalling double standards however, and see no problem with supporting a system which does support literal belief, even though they are not part of that themselves. A case of not caring what it does to the minds of others, as long as I can enjoy my hour of entertainment on a Sunday.
The garden seems to be filling up with Peacock Butterflies now.
Allamanda comments on Jul 23, 2020:
They almost seem too exotic for so far north! Beautiful!
Fernapple replies on Jul 23, 2020:
Yes, after the painted lady they do seem to be our most colourful type. Though it has to be said that, having seen a number of tropical butterflies, that though they are often larger than North European types, they are often not as colourful to my mind.
“Closet” Agnostic/Atheist.
Fernapple comments on Jul 23, 2020:
You are under no moral obligation to share your unbelief with anyone. It need be no more than your own private mater, and there is no need to feel you are being dishonest in any way by not telling people about it. Most of the people in most of the churches, probably do not believe, but they are ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@JeffMurray What storm1752 and Larry-new said, although I have to admit that I have no idea what goes on inside the brains, or lack there of, of church goers. It was just a wild guess for the sake of the metaphor, but I would not be amazed to find its true.
This is a time and a place quite new to me, never even heard of it, a wonderful reminder of how rich...
tinkercreek comments on Jul 22, 2020:
Great info, and I was also prompted to look up the BCE designation. In case I'm not the only one unaware of this, it is Before Common Era and replaces the religious label of Before Christ, and has been used for centuries!
Fernapple replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@JackPedigo The common era has official status, thanks to the UN.
Snoopy on Theology, found my copy at: [craigmotor.files.wordpress.com]
Fernapple comments on Jul 22, 2020:
I may be wrong, but if so, who is right ?
Fernapple replies on Jul 23, 2020:
@girlwithsmiles Yes but which believers ? I tend to think that the china teapot followers are on to something, but then again there is something to be said for Pastafarinans but it has to be a tea pot not a collander or the juice would leak out. Then there Jedi. Too many choices is no choice at all.
“All those conclusions of ours which profess to lead us beyond the field of possible experience ...
Freedompath comments on Jul 22, 2020:
I am not sure I agree here...just have to think about it more!!!
Fernapple replies on Jul 22, 2020:
That's right, you can apply logic to the foundations supplied by experience, and if your logic is good, be reasonably confident about the results.
Have you read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? What are your thoughts on it?
RichCC comments on Jul 22, 2020:
I especially liked the explanation for the accidental origin of humanity on the supercomputer earth -- the Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B created to eliminate all the useless telephone sanitizers and such from their population. Then of course that their society afterwards collapsed from a dirty ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 22, 2020:
Beware spoilers, he has only read the first. LOL
I'll bid you good night with a simple question:
Fernapple comments on Jul 22, 2020:
Saved about four hundred pounds sterling, this last few months.
Fernapple replies on Jul 22, 2020:
@PondartIncbendog Yes of course, just send me all your bank details including security code, and I will see what I can do. LOL
Do you think majority Christians have
LenHazell53 comments on Jul 20, 2020:
The Whole Bible in 100 words. First God makes the world and then drowns it, apart from one floating zoo. Abraham goes to Egypt and Moses gets lost coming home. Joshua invents demolition and genocide. Judges rule, Ruth gets married and Samuel creates Kings. Esther kicks ass and how God gambles ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 22, 2020:
Best short summing after. "Goat herders guide to the universe."
I did not know where to put this but it, especially the ending is so funny. [youtube.com]
Babyoda comments on Jul 21, 2020:
I loved the CPR.
Fernapple replies on Jul 22, 2020:
Yes it was the CPR and the kiss of life that made me laugh too.
Reincarnation has always been a very interesting concept to me.
Fernapple comments on Jul 21, 2020:
Many things are possible. It is possible that time goes round in a loop, and you live the same life over and over, it is possible that we don't really exist, because the universe and ourselves are just an illusion made by a program running on someones computer. Many things are possible, that is why ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 21, 2020:
@PondartIncbendog No.
Coronavirus: Is it an act of God? - The Jerusalem Post
Sticks48 comments on Jul 20, 2020:
Of course it is, along with hemorrhoids, athletes foot, dishpan hands, crabs (not the good kind), STDs, brussel sprouts, herpes, boy bands, bathtub ring, roaches (again not the good kind), dandruff, that embarrassing itch, rectal thermometers, those silly looking helmets bicyclists wear, fanny ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 21, 2020:
You forgot baldness. https://agnostic.com/discussion/517225/just-how-gullible-do-some-companies-think-people-are-my-e-mails-were-full-of-ads-this-morning-re LOL
[youtube.com] I hope you younger people listen to this.
Fernapple comments on Jul 19, 2020:
Why younger people, surely the old are just as suggestible ?
Fernapple replies on Jul 20, 2020:
@TheoryNumber3 Oh, but sadly I do think young people are exposed to a lot of that sort of thing. I guess that you could sum the post up, by using a variation on the old saying. "Don't go looking for a guru, you might just find one."
Destroying trust in the media, science, and government has left America vulnerable to disaster
barjoe comments on Jul 19, 2020:
I just can't figure out why if they distrust everything they trust Trump. I don't get it.
Fernapple replies on Jul 20, 2020:
Because Trump says he distrusts everything too.
A really good book that most of you would enjoy reading.
Fernapple comments on Jul 19, 2020:
So very true it is almost painfully so. And they often put in far more effort and talent into making their undervalued contributions, than the rich do into their overvalued ones.
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@Fred_Snerd Yes I know I started with a job in a factory working shifts, and I don't think that anyone who has not done it, has any idea of the thought time and effort that went into keeping fifty machines running round the clock, just to produce plastic parts. Fortunately I managed to earn a lump sum enough, just, to start a business, and I never looked back. But I would not want to put those years in again, yet some men did a whole lifetime there.
On the front of my chest there placidly sits a pair of quite unremarkable tits - too small to be ...
Fernapple comments on Jul 19, 2020:
Big mistake to think that the signs of age are unlovely. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, or even the snuggle up and hold-her.
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@FearlessFly That help a lot, but unlike great powers of appreciation, does not last until morning. LOL
A really good book that most of you would enjoy reading.
Fernapple comments on Jul 19, 2020:
So very true it is almost painfully so. And they often put in far more effort and talent into making their undervalued contributions, than the rich do into their overvalued ones.
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@TomMcGiverin And then like an orange person, lost a lot of it, through lazy incompetence.
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Fernapple comments on Jul 19, 2020:
Someone on here posted a remark about attitudes to precautions, and especially the so called freedom movement, but it is worth repeating as often as possible, if only because it seems simple enough for even the most stupid to understand. (Maybe not.) "How would it have been in 1941 if all the ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@LovinLarge Yes it is not exactly mindless, that is perhaps a bad choice of words, but I could not think of a better. It is only mindless in the sense that the rules can sometimes be arbitary, and you have to respect them regardless of that. Mindless respect for authority is never generally good. But that is where the blackout point comes in. If just one person, opened their shutters, there is only one light, which is not going to guide the bombers to the city, because one light does not make a city, it could after all be just a farmer in a field with a lamp looking for sheep. But if five or six people break the rules, thinking I am only one person, without even known one another or planning it, , then everyone is in danger, everyone in society sometimes depend on everyone pulling together as a whole.
A really good book that most of you would enjoy reading.
Petter comments on Jul 19, 2020:
What's the book titled?
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
I think it is Nickle and Dimed, at the bottom.
[youtube.com] I hope you younger people listen to this.
Petter comments on Jul 19, 2020:
A good lesson on the creation of "sheeple". The speaker sounded like Peter Sellers.
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@Petter Certainly if he's responsible for PondartIncbendog.
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Fernapple comments on Jul 19, 2020:
Someone on here posted a remark about attitudes to precautions, and especially the so called freedom movement, but it is worth repeating as often as possible, if only because it seems simple enough for even the most stupid to understand. (Maybe not.) "How would it have been in 1941 if all the ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@LovinLarge It refers to the writen bit not the video, but the point is, that sometimes it is in everyones best interest including their own, for the leadership to give a clear direction, and for everyone to follow it even if that means acting mindlessly. Its sometimes called the wisdom of Solon, (you will have to look that up). But what it means is that in America everyone drives their cars on the right hand side of the road, while in England we all drive on the left. Both work equally well, and generally everyone gets where they are going quickly and safely. But foolish people, could because of that, say that it does not matter which side people drive on, if both work equally well. But if everyone did decide that they would just drive on whatever side they liked, there would be chaos, lots of accidents and it would take everyone, including those who thought they could gain a small advantage by going on the wrong side, ten times longer to get where they were going. Some people may think that they gain an advantage, especially an economic one, by not wearing a mask, but if everyone puts a mask on all the time, however mindlessly. Then the outbreak may be over sooner, which brings everyone an economic gain in the long term, far larger than the short term gains. These people need to learn that sometimes obeying rules, for the good of society may hurt in the short term but you gain in the long run yourself because we are all part of that society.
[youtube.com] I hope you younger people listen to this.
Petter comments on Jul 19, 2020:
A good lesson on the creation of "sheeple". The speaker sounded like Peter Sellers.
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
Funny, you just quoted Shakespear to me on another thread, and by chance the same day, I made a similar reference to him, to PondartIncbendog, see below.
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Fernapple comments on Jul 19, 2020:
Someone on here posted a remark about attitudes to precautions, and especially the so called freedom movement, but it is worth repeating as often as possible, if only because it seems simple enough for even the most stupid to understand. (Maybe not.) "How would it have been in 1941 if all the ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@LovinLarge No, sorry, I did not mean on this thread, I meant on this site, it was about two days ago.
The irony of human life.
skado comments on Jul 18, 2020:
For example?
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
[youtube.com] I hope you younger people listen to this.
Fernapple comments on Jul 19, 2020:
Why younger people, surely the old are just as suggestible ?
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@PondartIncbendog Only like the Shakespearian fool, the wisest person in the kingdom.
[youtube.com] I hope you younger people listen to this.
Fernapple comments on Jul 19, 2020:
Why younger people, surely the old are just as suggestible ?
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@PondartIncbendog There are no fools like an old fools, for being taken in a second time.
The Four Desires Driving All Human Behavior: Bertrand Russell’s Magnificent Nobel Prize Acceptance...
skado comments on Jul 19, 2020:
“ Since power over human beings is shown in making them do what they would rather not do, the man who is actuated by love of power is more apt to inflict pain than to permit pleasure.” Well that explains a lot.
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
I wrote this above but thought it may interest you. There is another factor at work on those who gain power, especially political power, and that is fear. Since it is hard for those who gain power not to abuse it, even by accident. And they then find themselves in the position of riding the tiger; they can not get off, for fear of having to answer for what they have done, or having it undone by a reaction. While increasing irrational fear of falling or being thrown off, drives them to abuse the tiger even more, which in turn makes them more fearful, and so on.
Responsibility... What happened?
LenHazell53 comments on Jul 18, 2020:
Western society used to be based on a common consensus of rights and responsibilities, actions and consequences. Then came the 1980s and YUPPIE (Young upwardly-mobile Professional Person) mentality. Thatcher in the UK, Reagan in the US both preaching that greed was good, material things = success....
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@dermot235 No I do not think that you can, or would benefit from, banning advertising. But I do think that it would be very useful to promote awareness of its use and methods, especially in education. And also to promote a degree of healthy cynisim. One of the worst wrong turns that education took, when it was reinvented at the time of the pay for it revolution, by T. Blair etc. and for some time before. Was to promote only education to serve the skills needed by the capital economy, at the expence of life skills, which in the developed world, where we can so easily supply all we want, though at horrible expense to the planet and uor physical and mental health, are much more needed. Fortunately I think there are some good grass roots signs, and I will repeat. I would never call any generation, I long ago took on board the wisdom of Leo Tolstoy. But I do think that this generation may be the first one cynical enough to be immune, to some degree.
Responsibility... What happened?
LenHazell53 comments on Jul 18, 2020:
Western society used to be based on a common consensus of rights and responsibilities, actions and consequences. Then came the 1980s and YUPPIE (Young upwardly-mobile Professional Person) mentality. Thatcher in the UK, Reagan in the US both preaching that greed was good, material things = success....
Fernapple replies on Jul 19, 2020:
@dermot235 I was not taking about authoritarian dictators, only Fascism. Few governments did or have used the media as effectively as the facsist states, especially Germany, in the nineteen thirties. They made huge use of all the media, and especially of media experts, and capitalist media producers. While even the names themselves, were directly inspired by marketing ploys, being a vast act of rebranding, taking some old ideas like, empire, racism, and ultra -nationalism and giving them exciting new names, Facsism and National Socialism, to sell the products using the then cutting edge marketing ploys.
Responsibility... What happened?
LenHazell53 comments on Jul 18, 2020:
Western society used to be based on a common consensus of rights and responsibilities, actions and consequences. Then came the 1980s and YUPPIE (Young upwardly-mobile Professional Person) mentality. Thatcher in the UK, Reagan in the US both preaching that greed was good, material things = success....
Fernapple replies on Jul 18, 2020:
@dermot235 Yes I know that Whale bone products, leaded petrol, and DDT are now bannned,, but you asked me for proof that these things date back to the nineteenth century. As to the others, I think that every one of them has everything to do with advertising, since many of them such as deforestation occur to provide mass consumer products which are only desired because of promotion. Fascism was an almost purely media promoted product. And of course I do not think that it was easier to go to university in the nineteenth century, but it was in the sixties/seventies etc. and the new state was promoted, as education to serve capitalist enterprise. And PS. I have also edited my last post to include, brexit, mass consumption of refined white sugar, and plastics polution.
Responsibility... What happened?
LenHazell53 comments on Jul 18, 2020:
Western society used to be based on a common consensus of rights and responsibilities, actions and consequences. Then came the 1980s and YUPPIE (Young upwardly-mobile Professional Person) mentality. Thatcher in the UK, Reagan in the US both preaching that greed was good, material things = success....
Fernapple replies on Jul 18, 2020:
@dermot235 Why do you think that I am refering to technical products. Of course they have, improved. But while we are making lists what about leaded petrol, DDT, whale bone products, deforestation, facism, the rising tide of race hate, American gun culture, palm oil, trash culture, tabliod newspapers, internet disinformation, brexit, mass consumption of refined white sugar, and plastics polution. Oh and lets not forget, governments charging, "young people in the UK that have to pay exorbitant fees and take on Debt to go to college." PS. I would never call any generation, I long ago took on board the wisdom of Leo Tolstoy. But I do think that this generation may be the first one cynical enough to be immune.
Responsibility... What happened?
LenHazell53 comments on Jul 18, 2020:
Western society used to be based on a common consensus of rights and responsibilities, actions and consequences. Then came the 1980s and YUPPIE (Young upwardly-mobile Professional Person) mentality. Thatcher in the UK, Reagan in the US both preaching that greed was good, material things = success....
Fernapple replies on Jul 18, 2020:
@dermot235 No products sold thirty or forty years ago were crap too, that was well into the period I am talking about. The media advertising problem started in the nineteenth century. Many physical products have improved vastly over the last forty years, no one who road a bus or tried to drive a car in the seventies would disagree with that. But cultural products are an entirely different matter.
[youtu.be] I thought this sounded like a good way to spend a bit of time.
Fernapple comments on Jul 18, 2020:
Eer. Maybe after another year of lockdown perhaps.
Fernapple replies on Jul 18, 2020:
@Donna_I No nothing to do with you, I will quite happily hug humans. LOL
Responsibility... What happened?
LenHazell53 comments on Jul 18, 2020:
Western society used to be based on a common consensus of rights and responsibilities, actions and consequences. Then came the 1980s and YUPPIE (Young upwardly-mobile Professional Person) mentality. Thatcher in the UK, Reagan in the US both preaching that greed was good, material things = success....
Fernapple replies on Jul 18, 2020:
Nice rant. Should be pinned to the school room wall, everywhere. I think though, that another factor was the growth of media, especially the high capitalist advertising media, where every product is going to do everything for you, if you only buy, it, and it does not matter if the product is crap, because it is the hype that counts, and the winner is whoever can sell the worst product for the highest price. Maybe the commercial world is catching up with the churches, who charge what they can, promise everything, and have no product at all.
Catholic Church Lobbied for Taxpayer Funds, Got $1.
LucyLoohoo comments on Jul 17, 2020:
OF COURSE NOT! They'd have had to sell some of their GOLD and illegally purloined artifacts!
Fernapple replies on Jul 18, 2020:
@LucyLoohoo Yes better to hope for something much more realistic. Say Donald Trump takes a degree course in science history. LOL
Catholic Church Lobbied for Taxpayer Funds, Got $1.
LucyLoohoo comments on Jul 17, 2020:
OF COURSE NOT! They'd have had to sell some of their GOLD and illegally purloined artifacts!
Fernapple replies on Jul 18, 2020:
@LucyLoohoo That's very logical, but also very wishful thinking, it would be nice to think you will get your way one day, but I am not holding my breath.
I really wish some people on here and in real life would stop telling others "GO TAKE YOUR MEDS!" ...
TheMiddleWay comments on Jul 17, 2020:
The internet gives people permission to be uncivil and say things to the screen they would NEVER dare say to your face. Fake bravery; true cowardness. That's how I view anyone that resorts to these type sof tactic. Kinda like the small minority on this board that consider teaching religion child ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 18, 2020:
No teaching religion is a form of child abuse, real and genuine, which can lead to life long trauma. Some other forms of child abuse maybe worse and some less so, while some forms of religious indoctrination are also worse than others, while very frequently the two are linked. I speak as one who has suffered both.
Potatoes make a beautiful flowers but doesn't help with their production.
RussRAB comments on Jul 17, 2020:
I'm reminded by viewing these flowers how many standard crop plants come from the nightshade family of plants. Nightshade plants also include a number of poisonous varieties.
Fernapple replies on Jul 17, 2020:
Eventually they make berries, that look exactly like small tomatoes or nightshade berries, both potatoes and toms do product the poisons though at quite a low level, don't eat the berries though.
To the people who either didn't understand, or were confused about my previous post.
Fernapple comments on Jul 15, 2020:
Sorry to say that modern consumer capitalist culture promotes narcissism, especially among people who are shallow enough to be taken in by it, and of course the West's failed education systems, do nothing to address shallowness. So sadly finding someone who is not a narcissist, is going to be harder...
Fernapple replies on Jul 17, 2020:
@Healthydoc70 I can not see a question or any explanation, certinly not a long one. Your six words. "I repeat, read Dawkin's Selfish Gene." Just came out of the blue, and seem to refer to no previous comment.
Dear lifelong atheists, how do you see yourself within the universe?
Fernapple comments on Jul 15, 2020:
Almost too small to be seen at all, except in a very very close mirror.
Fernapple replies on Jul 16, 2020:
@Fred_Snerd Yep that too.
If you think that religion is not a good thing now, then what about the future.
Allamanda comments on Jul 9, 2020:
There are times in history when whatever maintains the status quo, and it's often the retrograde forces of religion/tradition, actually can be reckoned to save a lot of lives. Whether there are any we can prove, or any that don't result in most lives lived in more miserable conditions than the ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 16, 2020:
@Allamanda Perhaps, hopefully.
If you think that religion is not a good thing now, then what about the future.
Allamanda comments on Jul 9, 2020:
There are times in history when whatever maintains the status quo, and it's often the retrograde forces of religion/tradition, actually can be reckoned to save a lot of lives. Whether there are any we can prove, or any that don't result in most lives lived in more miserable conditions than the ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 16, 2020:
@Allamanda The problem is that mainstream society and thinking tend to be progressive, and looking for improvement, which leaves religion no where else to go except the dark, as I say I am not looking at now but into the long term future. And mainstream society and culture have to be progressive now, because in democratic states at least, the only selling point that politics and even capitalist institutions have is thatt they will bring improvement, even when they are selling their product to the moderate right wing. Religion can only find its roll in the market place by offering an alternative, so that in the dark ages, when political life meant, organized theft, rape, and blood vendetta, then religion offered a peaceful, moral alternative,, but the rolls have been reversing now for five centuries or more., and because secular democracy must compete by offering improvement, then it forces religion to become increasingly the champion of crime.
There's a virus in the world [youtube.]
FearlessFly comments on Jul 15, 2020:
NOT too subtle, eh ? :)
Fernapple replies on Jul 16, 2020:
Don't think the people they are talking to do subtle.
A very old mystery, and perhaps we have to accept that some mysteries will never be solved, but at ...
Triphid comments on Jul 15, 2020:
It's an odds on bet some twerp will come along with the totally ridiculous idea that the remains were buried there out of some religious ritual or rite. Some twerp always has to add the religiousness to how our most ancient ancestors would have lived but I sincerely doubt that ancient Hominids ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 16, 2020:
Yes the ritual think always seems to be a default possition for some archeologists, sometimes to a laughable degree.
If you think that religion is not a good thing now, then what about the future.
Allamanda comments on Jul 9, 2020:
There are times in history when whatever maintains the status quo, and it's often the retrograde forces of religion/tradition, actually can be reckoned to save a lot of lives. Whether there are any we can prove, or any that don't result in most lives lived in more miserable conditions than the ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 16, 2020:
That ignors the fact that religion does not always just put the brakes on, but that it sometime, often, pulls backwards.
To the people who either didn't understand, or were confused about my previous post.
Fernapple comments on Jul 15, 2020:
Sorry to say that modern consumer capitalist culture promotes narcissism, especially among people who are shallow enough to be taken in by it, and of course the West's failed education systems, do nothing to address shallowness. So sadly finding someone who is not a narcissist, is going to be harder...
Fernapple replies on Jul 15, 2020:
@Healthydoc70 Sorry I do not see the connection ?
Amor Fati [dailystoic.com].
Fernapple comments on Jul 15, 2020:
Nice idea and very true, but take it too far and it is just saying self delusion is all powerful.
Fernapple replies on Jul 15, 2020:
@Mitch07102 Yes it is a good quote and the way I try to live my life, but you always have to qualify to some degree. Just think of all the Christian sects who glorified pointless suffering, instead of trying to stop it, and even opposed medical advances like vacination and pain relief, because pain and suffering was what god wanted for you.
Brain creatures?
Grecio comments on Jul 14, 2020:
If you don't believe in the hereafter, why would you want to live?
Fernapple replies on Jul 15, 2020:
Life is not something you want, it is just something that happens to you. And like everything else, you just try to make the best job of it you can, and yes if you are sensible then like any tool you lay it aside when you are done without a thought. No problem if you are not indoctriated into a culture with an enhanced fear of death, like theist, and post theist cultures.
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Fernapple comments on Jul 15, 2020:
Lets be straight about this. At the beginning of the pandemic, the UK government discovered that it did not have enough PPE for all its hospital staff. So in order to stop the public panic buying PPE and making demands on the manufacturers, it put out the line that masks were of no use, even ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 15, 2020:
@Moravian Yes I saw one, (I assume Tory.) who was about the only objector to masks, standing up in parliment this morning, saying how having to wear a mask would put him off going shopping and how awful it was wearing a mask. Stupid, the jerk was wearing a suit and **tie**. Dishonest, I bet he has never done serious shopping, looked like the sort who leaves that to the servants to me.
Three Generations Of Ancient Warrior Women Found In Russian Tomb
brentan comments on Jul 14, 2020:
I wonder is there some historical connection or etymological connection between the Amazonian women in Scythia and the Amazon River in South America?
Fernapple replies on Jul 15, 2020:
I found this on Wikipedia. "The name Rio Amazonas was given after native warriors attacked a 16th-century expedition by Francisco de Orellana. The warriors were led by women, reminding de Orellana of the Amazon warriors, a tribe of women warriors related to Iranian Scythians and Sarmatians[18][19] mentioned in Greek mythology. "
I guess its now coming to the peak season for cottage gardens with us now, so I went out today and ...
JackPedigo comments on Jul 14, 2020:
These are great but I can't help wondering if and when the times comes and people get back to work will they still have time for the gardens. Funny, but the few times I went to our building supply store the parking lot was packed and many items are sold out including the greenhouse plants. Seems ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 14, 2020:
Yes, These three gardens I know of old, and I think they are retired persons, so they will carry on I would think.
I guess its now coming to the peak season for cottage gardens with us now, so I went out today and ...
MarkWD comments on Jul 14, 2020:
Love the way the plantings look against the brick wall in the first photo, something we don't see a lot of in tumbler prone California. I also like the way the pathway draws our eye into the second photo. Are all of these photo from around your own garden space?
Fernapple replies on Jul 14, 2020:
No they are not my garden, they are photos from the villages round about.
Not my research or authorship, but good details.
AlasBabylon comments on Jul 13, 2020:
This article is a good example of the kinds of pitfalls in thinking that we all are subject to at times, and reminds of us how we need to beware of such pitfalls. Of course, we were told early on that the large majority of cases of COVID-19 were not severe. Looks like that wasn't necessarily ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 13, 2020:
And we will not know the true extent of the long term effects, for perhaps twenty years.
Legit analogy.
Fernapple comments on Jul 13, 2020:
Tiger King ?
Fernapple replies on Jul 13, 2020:
@Apunzelle Thanks, not reached us here.
I posted this in another group but thought you may like.
Zoohome comments on Jul 12, 2020:
Cutie!! They are so much fun. Surprising to see it active during the day. What time was that? We had one as a pet here. Puffy was his name. I gave it to a vet tech that was crazy for all kinds of exotic animals. Not my style to give a pet away, but it was my son's pet and he wasn't giving as ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 13, 2020:
It was about 2pm, sometimes they are about in the day especially if it has been wet and cool, as it was.
I found this little person in the garden yesterday.
Allamanda comments on Jul 12, 2020:
do people still put out saucers of cat-food for them? I remember them well from the early seventies in Bedfordshire, but not sure I ever saw one in Cornwall in the 90's...
Fernapple replies on Jul 12, 2020:
@Allamanda I think that the SW used to be a strong hold.
I found this little person in the garden yesterday.
Allamanda comments on Jul 12, 2020:
do people still put out saucers of cat-food for them? I remember them well from the early seventies in Bedfordshire, but not sure I ever saw one in Cornwall in the 90's...
Fernapple replies on Jul 12, 2020:
Yes people do. They are often quite unaffraid. Many years ago I remember that one came into the house explored and then took a rest on the hearth rug , before wandering back out again.
Time travel
LucyLoohoo comments on Jul 11, 2020:
I'd love to go back in time and meet Hatshepsut, the first female Pharaoh! (Of course, being fluent in ancient Egyptian would be a necessity.) I want to know how....after two thousand years....she was able to pull off becoming Pharaoh! Whatta' woman!
Fernapple replies on Jul 12, 2020:
Love her temple. Even up against the Taj Mahal or the Parthenon, it has to be a front runner for the worlds most beautiful building. The proportions and the way it sits in the landscape, if she did not design it herself she must have employed a genius architect.
This popped up in my memories on Facebook today.
Fernapple comments on Jul 10, 2020:
Only just out of the pond at that size, probably wandering about because it was off looking for its first home.
Fernapple replies on Jul 11, 2020:
@Kynlei Yes that confirms it, they usually do emerge all at the same time.
The garden is coming to its first full flush now, so I took a little walk round.
AnonySchmoose comments on Jul 10, 2020:
You have a lovely calming garden.
Fernapple replies on Jul 10, 2020:
Thank you that is the effect I aim for. It has taken quite some time because I also aim to just let the plants get on with it, but they get there in the end.
Poor guy can never catch a break.
Dead comments on Jul 9, 2020:
Except I think he is holding up the wrong finger…
Fernapple replies on Jul 10, 2020:
Of course, he would not get that right would he ?
I love being able to have reasonable conversations with like minded people (godless skeptics), but ...
Sgt_Spanky comments on Jul 10, 2020:
I've been in favor of more believers here for the two years I've been posting but any suggestion of trying to bring in some Xians to up the religious diversity of the site is typically met with resistance. For some reason, a lot of people seem to like an echo chamber. Not sure why.
Fernapple replies on Jul 10, 2020:
Bring them on, I love a debate. On the odd times one does get through, they always seem to be deleted before it realy gets going, sad.
Religion is the greatest scam
skado comments on Jul 10, 2020:
religious literalism
Fernapple replies on Jul 10, 2020:
That is what is being addressed, still the main sort.
Before the germ theory of disease became popularly understood, it was common to believe that sick ...
Fernapple comments on Jul 9, 2020:
If God and, " the things we don’t know the natural explanations of yet" are synonyms" then you may use either. But the vast advantage of, things we don't know yet, over god is not only that it is more exact, but that it does not come with the vast evil baggage that the God word carries, including ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 10, 2020:
@skado Oh dear I can't believe that you areresorting to the 'ad populum' fallacy. But anyway you are on for the bet, I just hope there are humans left in two thousand years.
For success don't join the march, just go to the pub get drunk and fall on the tracks OK.
Robecology comments on Jul 9, 2020:
Silly argument; "Evolution: That Famous ‘March of Progress’ Image Is Just Wrong" No, it's not. It served a purpose to educate those who believed in a sudden "creationism"... Jordi Paps is just a headline -seeking sensationalist, IMO. - - - - - - It originated as a Time-Life ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 9, 2020:
@Robecology Yes I hear what you say, and it is true that my interest in the pop science, did stop me thinking about the religious implications, but I was sharing it on a site, which is hopefully not used by the religious much. On a public site, in the sense of used by everybody, I would certainly have not posted it.
For success don't join the march, just go to the pub get drunk and fall on the tracks OK.
Robecology comments on Jul 9, 2020:
Silly argument; "Evolution: That Famous ‘March of Progress’ Image Is Just Wrong" No, it's not. It served a purpose to educate those who believed in a sudden "creationism"... Jordi Paps is just a headline -seeking sensationalist, IMO. - - - - - - It originated as a Time-Life ...
Fernapple replies on Jul 9, 2020:
Yes I like the image as well, always been fond of it. But like all such posts from the popular press they are only adding a small qualification, which is not new, but it being the popular press they are overstating their case and making too much of it. However the small qualifications are real and they may not be familiar to everyone, so I thought that the article was worth posting. Don't be put off too much by the style.
U.S. coronavirus cases rise by over 60,000, setting single-day record
AnneWimsey comments on Jul 9, 2020:
Anybody looking up "exponential"? I am talking to you minimizers/deniers here!
Fernapple replies on Jul 9, 2020:
One of the main features of "exponential" is that it does not matter how low the level is at which you start, the water still gets above your head very quickly. It has been said that only one person in ten really understands exponential. There is an old story, if you put bacteria in a test tube, and they double in numbers every hour, such that they will fill the tube to the top after fifty hours. Question how much of the tube is full after forty eight hours ? You don't need to work it out it is only one quarter. In other words the tube is nearly empty, three quarters clear after forty eight of the fifty hours are gone. It catches up fast at the end.

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