War criminals bankrolled by the US.

"Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more.

Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.

We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.

Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?

Because of our perfectly natural dislike of being overwhelmed in our own homeland, we are called blind nationalists and heartless anti-Semites. This charge would be ludicrous were it not so dangerous."

[kinghussein.gov.jo]

"I grew up with the conventional wisdom believing that the Israelis were the "white hats" and that the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims were the "black hats." After 9/11, I wanted to know more about the conflict in the ME. I came to the realization that the narrative was totally one-sided. I largely credit many outstanding Jewish voices (my close friend Bernie the Attorney for one) for opening my eyes. I see on a daily basis the efforts by Zionists and their stooges to dismiss truth-tellers in the most reprehensible manner, up to and including threats of violence.

Truth needs no army of thugs to establish it; only lies need enforcers."

~ LanceThruster

Bertrand Russell saw things with a rationalist's eye.

"The trick of declaring war against the armed resistance and then attacking the resisters’ unarmed kin as well as the sur­rounding population with the most gruesome products of Death-Science”; this trick is not new. American Pioneers were pioneers in this too; they made it standard practice to declare war on indigenous warriors and then to murder and burn villages with only women and children in them. This is already modern war, what we know as war against civilian populations; it has also been called, more candidly, mass murder or genocide.

Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised that the perpetrators of a Pogrom portray themselves as the victims, in the present case as victims of the Holocaust.

Herman Melville noticed over a century ago, in his analysis of the metaphysics of Indian-hating, that those who made a full-time profession of hunting and murdering indigenous people of this continent always made themselves appear, even in their own eyes, as the victims of manhunts.

The use the Nazis made of the International Jewish Conspiracy is better known: during all the years of atrocities defying belief, the Nazis considered themselves the victimized.

It’s as if the experience of being a victim gave exemption from human solidarity, as if it gave special powers, as if it gave a license to kill."

Fredy Perlman from his essay, “Anti-Semitism and the Beirut Pogrom” – [libcom.org]

What comes to mind when I see someone try to put this all on the Arabs.

Is there any solution other than splitting Palestine into two parts?

@WilliamCharles What is the solution. I don't know. Why are Jews always trying to immigrate to somewhere? Are none of them happy where they are? The Balfour Declaration was a stupid idea that America went along with.

@Grecio I'd love to see a single state with a democracy for all its inhabitants but I feel that it is ultimately for the Palestinians to decide what choice to make, not the invaders.

I've only half jokingly suggested the solution would be "one side cuts the cake and the other chooses the slice." The usurping entity known as "Israel" would never do this because currently they hold all the cards and their covetousness would not allow it.

@Renickulous

I'm sorry you feel that way. Maybe you could point out the childish parts. Not trying to swamp anyone with info, but first hand accounts are generally thought of as useful. Don't know what burr got under your saddle, but also know I don't really care.

@Renickulous they had an option to vote that they didn't know. I already stated in the post you came from saying I was going to participate here and that I'd limit my input in order to try to learn more about their views. Now you're saying it's somehow dismissive not to try to educate them out of the starting gate. My examples were a tidbit from participants on both sides. The fact that you've got a chip on your shoulder for some reason is not my concern. You're welcome to share any info/argument you feel pertains to the subject at hand... if you have anything to offer in the first place that is. Did you vote in the poll?

@Renickulous you're a mind reader too? Wow, is there nothing you can't do?!? Wanting to know what someone else thinks is a starting point for a lot of things. If you ever demonstrate that you do think yourself, I might be interested in that as well.

Instead, you seem to want to fling poo because of whatever bug has crawled up your ass. The topic is the attack on the USS Liberty and what people think is the truth about it. I'll have to scroll back and see what precious gems of wisdom you have offered. Someone voted "Don't know." That might be as far as they take it.

I think it applies to our current relationship as much as it did back them. One rationale was it was a false flag to draw the US into the conflict on the Israeli side. Another was that it was an attempt to hide the fact they were murdering captured Egyption soldiers (which did happen). Regardless of the motivation, the Israelis committed war crimes against Amaerican naval personnel... and got away with it.

The history of the event and the contortions in covering it up speaks volumes about the exceptionalism granted Chosanistan. But please, continue with your amateurish attempts at oneupsmanship. The comic relief provided is worth it alone.

I'm online friends with an officer from the Liberty. He begs to differ. Wrote a book on it no less.

Please register your vote in the poll if you don't mind/haven't already. Thx.

James Ennes - Assault on the Liberty

[ussliberty.com]

So you're basing your assessment on your feeling that Israel wouldn't do that to an ally?

"More proof has recently come to light from the Israeli side. A few years after Attack on the Liberty was originally published, Ennes got a call from Evan Toni, an Israeli pilot. Toni told Ennes that he had just read his book and wanted to tell him his story. Toni said that he was the pilot in the first Israeli Mirage fighter to reach the Liberty. He immediately recognized the ship to be a US Navy vessel. He radioed Israeli air command with this information and asked for instructions. Toni said he was ordered to “attack.” He refused and flew back to the air base at Ashdod. When he arrived he was summarily arrested for disobeying orders."

[counterpunch.org]