I don't think the crisis is so much about population and land, but about population and resources.

@Piece2YourPuzzle If we have land then we have resources. We’ve just gotta nudge some people into understanding that if they like eating then they need to contribute to their own cause.

But also if we as as a society is to survive then we need to actually put a cap on population sizes within a certain radius or we need a Third World War hopefully one without nukes to reduce the numbers.

But that’s just my opinion once again.

@48thRonin land mass is going to shrink with climate change. We have already went over the tipping point of no return, governments refusing to acknowledge this and take actions to slow it down. Large parts of the planet are going to become to hot for human life, also taking vast amounts of farm land. Flooded out or also to hot to grow in. Willingness to accept this for our future families as you seem to be willing to do is not acceptable in my opinion. Quite frankly, that's exactly what got us here.

@William_Mary Well as you said we’re beyond the tipping point and if it’s completely accurate then mega cities will be nothing but a death bed for civilization because those are the areas that have contributed the most to the global warming crisis.

And yes some land mass will be lost and some areas will dry out but as long as there’s storms then there will be fresh water and we have the technology to turn salt water into fresh water.

We also have the knowledge and technology to grow food and maintain animals in harsh conditions.
And it’s not that there are people out there still driving a 1972 Cadillac that will result in global warming killing off large groups of society nor is it the government.

It will result from billions of people who being clueless and just expecting things to be there.
These are the same people who call and order food to be delivered during blizzards and lose their shit when no ones delivering.

And it may sound completely horrible but our civilization would benefit from loosing them and our government and society needs to not focus on maintaining places like New York and Los Angeles.
But instead places that will be able to support life with some adjustments.

And like how I feel or not this planet isn’t in a warming process it’s in a thawing process because before whatever hit this planet down in the Gulf of Mexico which created the ice age.
This planet was tropical and sub tropical for over 90% of its land masses.

The planet is simply returning to its normal state and all we’ve done is accelerated it which is something that I remember hearing about since the 70’s. But as usual no one wants to be preventive so here we are freaking out at the last damn second as always.

So no I’m not worrying about stopping the inevitable but instead adapting and overcoming. Which is why I’m moving more towards the center of the country.
And I’ve advised all of my family in Hampton roads Va to do the same and if they don’t that’s their decision.

Once I’m settled in I’m going to prepare for everything that I’ll need and for the worst that could happen. And if it’s not enough then this planet has had 5 mass extinctions and has bounced back so what’s to stop it from having 5 more?

@48thRonin we've had technology for decades to eliminate the issues we are facing today. But what good are they if you can't get the governments to enable them, as they do the bidding for the oligarchs. Expected? Right, we expect our government to do the right things for society. I guess I'll just keep fighting for future generations as you give up, dig in, excepting defeat. I believe our youth deserve a good fight from those of us who excepted to long. Their world should deserve that for our ignorance of not waking up sooner.

@William_Mary I hear you that nearly all governments have chosen to be paid instead of ensuring that their own grandchildren would have something worth having.

But the problem that I have is that I’m watching the world attempt to stop something that can’t be stopped by just now adopting preventive measures.

There’s an option but it’s extreme and would result in the loss of a billion or so lives and that’s to force several volcanoes to release sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere along with ash cover.

This would result in a moderate and temporary ice age so to speak and it would buy us the time that we’d need to put these other measures into place and hopefully buy us more time to get where we need to be.

But this is being considered as too drastic (???)
But in reality we know that it would have a drastic effect on the global economy and well what will the Kardashian’s think as well. Which is why I kinda welcome the giant meteor for the most part if for nothing else than to hopefully clean the gene pool.

@48thRonin ummm, why not just enact the new green deal.

@William_Mary Because it’s framework that’s designed to create a compromise not an actual plan to be forcefully implemented.

I’m just saying that that we still have fossil fuleled vehicles being produced in greater numbers than electric or hybrid. And there’s no way remotely possible to replace them as well as I wanna see the government stop people from driving their gas/diesel powered vehicles without a war.

And just how does anyone plan on moving goods and cargo without using fossil fuels because the last thing that we need is for the Somali’s to get ahold of a nuclear reactor because how else are you going to move a freighter across the ocean without fossil fuel?

The plan says by 2030 but it would take at least 30 years to adapt our infrastructure. Sorry but it’s a great idea but it’s 50 years too late

@48thRonin our military uses the bulk of fossil fuels our society is accountable for. And I understand the use of fuel in transportation all to well. I've worked in it for the past 15 years. "It's 50 years to late" you're answering my questions and making my points in a lot of areas. Great strides can be accomplished in the social aspect of fossil fuels alone to begin a turn around. Other social transportation also. Again referring back to the limitations on technology our society has been engulfed in for the benefit of the oligarchs, on purpose. I don't want to quit riding my motorcycles either. But I'd welcome a regulation on times I can to a degree. Trade our cars in for electric cars I can afford. For the good of the future.

@William_Mary Just looking at what we’ve been talking about I feel that places where the population is larger than one million within a 5-10 mile radius that they should have to go electric first.

For one most people in those areas either don’t own a car and if they do it’s only one. Mass transit is already converting over, taxis are starting to go towards better efficient hybrids and if these cities were to do as Portland Oregon has by turning their sewer system into water generators then that would compensate for the needed electricity in order to charge electric vehicles.

There’s a lot than can be done to prolong our existence but I still feel as though unless we’re willing and able to sacrifice something of ourselves and I don’t believe that we’re ready yet