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Why is life considered so subjective? On one hand you have those who would say life doesn't begin until the heart starts beating or doesn't begin until the breach of birth. On the other hand some would say life is anything of independent movement. My point here is humans like to consider life only life when it's convenient for them. When a pregnant woman finds the fetus inconvenient it is considered not alive but when searching for life beyond our planet even the smallest microorganism is considered life. Life should not be determined through the lens of convenience but somehow this simple definition of life alludes a great number of people due to their own ever-changing amorphous selfish desires.

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I think therefore I am [en.wikipedia.org]

Ormonddude Level 4 June 16, 2018
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Life is life no matter if it's human or not perhaps the abortion thing is a touchy subject but it highlights the subjective reality of Life by convenience so I used it as an example. I suppose I could have made the same argument about male masturbation. Sperm is alive and you kill many in the concluded Act of masturbation but I'm not trying to Revere life in one way or another. I wanted to point out the intertwined relationship between the definition of life and the convenience of the one defining life.

Andrew8484 Level 4 June 14, 2018
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The question was why is life considered so subjective not why is human life considered so subjective I merely gave you the Polar Opposites of the argument from a baby at birth to the single-cell amoeba conclude what you will

Andrew8484 Level 4 June 14, 2018

Then I think I'm honestly just confused. The definition of life really isn't all that subjective until you bring issues like humanity or sentience into it. The line is the tiniest bit blurry, but it's nothing like what you imply.

The question you might be asking gets pretty interesting in a sort of philosophical sense. I feel like you might have done your question a disservice by bringing up the pregnancy / abortion debate. I promise, even the most ardent pro-choicers aren't trying to argue that fetal cells are not living matter. The question of when a human life begins is VERY different than trying to define what qualifies as life or living.

Trying to go back to what I now think you might be asking... Actually, give me a bit. I'm drinking quite heavily today (it's my Saturday!!) but I would very much like to talk about the idea of inorganic life forms. I'll hit you back up tomorrow. Or later if I'm dumb 😉

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I think life begins with the biological process of respiration/breathing, a process that doesn't occur in utero. It requires a beating heart to occur and involves inhaling oxygen into the lungs and exhaling carbon dioxide out of the mouth. When this process stops, life ceases to exist.

cyntemp Level 5 June 14, 2018

You are the best!

This answer is perfect! Concise and straight to point.

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If a woman is pregnant and no one intervenes that is life but if a woman is pregnant and someone intervenes in that process of life then it's considered not life sounds like convenience to me.

Andrew8484 Level 4 June 14, 2018

I feel like you might be being deliberately obtuse, here. The question is not whether or not it's life, it's whether or not it's human life. Or, further, if it's not yet human life, does it deserve the same protections as human life, because of it's potential to develop into human life?

It's obvious to most people that asking 'Are those cells alive?' is fairly unrelated to the abortion debate. You appear to be mixing two arguments here. If you want to argue that early fetal cells fall into your definition of human life, that's fine. You just aren't doing your argument any justice by complaining about the scientific definition of life or living matter more generally.

@synergy thank you synergy. My thoughts exactly

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I may be mistaken, but I don't think anyone is arguing that a clump of fetal cells isn't living matter - they're more arguing that it's not a human life yet. By the same token, pro-lifers aren't actually saying that all life is precious, they're saying that all human life is precious. The abortion argument (or even the birth control argument, for some sects) revolves around the question of whether or not living matter that has the potential to become a human life deserves special protections.

As for the scientific definition of what constitutes living matter - not to worry, you aren't the only one who wants a nice concrete definition. Science is working on it, and for the most part has a good handle on it. For fun sometime, buy even an undergraduate a beer and ask if a virus is alive.

synergy Level 6 June 14, 2018
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I consider life to be all inclusive. Birth and death are simply two aspects within life.

kenbur12 Level 5 June 14, 2018
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I do not currently have the words to speak to this crap that you just spouted due to the fact that I've already taken my nighttime meds and can barely see straight. I will though bookmark this post and return at a later time when my head is not so foggy

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