"The world's richest men ," includes Elon Musk , Jeff Bezos , Bill Gates , and the Facebook guy , who's name has slipped my mind at the moment . Not just talking about rich people . Specificallly stated , "THE world's richest men ." All four precisely fit . Just as I said . What is also true , is , if you change what someone else says to fit what you want people to think , than yes , your comment fits what you said . Just not what I said.

That, or his really gross mushroom dick. I mean, I heard it was just awful.

But, nothing of their choice right?

@Word Correct. But you wouldn't know that because you can't be bothered to do any learning on a subject you know absolutely nothing about.

@JeffMurray what is the difference in your ideal of no free will and a "God" that is all-powerful that everything is "God's " will not yours?

@JeffMurray before, the valcano erupted because it was "God's " wrath. But now we consider it just an action of nature and tectonic plates moving.

Before. it was all about being "God's" will not ours, now we scientifically discover sparks of brain activity that IS the decision that we are unaware of and just observe the decision taking place?

@Word I can't help you learn as you have demonstrated no inclination or desire for it. Keep talking unintelligently on the subject; some of us are getting a chuckle out of it.

@JeffMurray oh, so your brain spark makes you laugh at me and you just get to sit back and observe with no choice in the matter?

@Word Pretty much. That's pretty simplistic, but that's the basic idea.

@JeffMurray you cannot help but laugh, now that's funny right there!

@JeffMurray now if you could just train your brain spark to do what you wanted. You might could just enjoy laughing all the time.

Is there any research to go about training a brain spark to do what you want it to do?

@JeffMurray just think of all the murders that could be prevented if brain spark training was possible. Then people could control the brain spark before it made them kill someone.

@Word -- Brain spark. Isn't that something like what they called shock therapy?

@evidentialist might work, but I am referring to antecedent brain activity to <perceived> volition.

@Word Even if "training" it was possible, knowing what you wanted, thinking about training your brain, and carrying all that out would also not be a choice, so you're still talking nonsense.

@JeffMurray you should think that one thru again

@JeffMurray no, I am not talking to you, I am talking to that little decision maker in your head.

@Word I'm sorry you don't understand. Talking to someone as ignorant as they are adamant is really tiring.

@JeffMurray no, I understand perfectly. I am trying to reach your decision maker to help it understand. The phrase is not very well thought out. , "Even if "training" it was possible, knowing what you wanted, thinking about training your brain, and carrying all that out would also not be a choice, so you're still talking nonsense."

@JeffMurray I know, it's not your fault. your little "decision maker" is making bad choices for you and it makes you look bad