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I am not qualified to join the 2% or higher club but I could use some genius help before I get fired. I work at a fabrication shop I get to build some neat machines. But I stuck a press brake and haven't had any luck fixing it. It works on a cam driven by an electric motor engaged by a hydraulic clutch. The metal stuck is 5' long at a 1/4" thick the machine is an 1/8" before bottom dead center there is no more room to finish out the stroke. I've been applying steady pressure to the first gear in the gear reduction sequence with little movement. I've suggested we use a dry ice alcohol mixture to contract the work piece and dies to give it room to finish the stroke but I can't accurately figure the math to convince my boss it will work. Ideas?

EricHunt 4 June 7
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Thank you all for your help I got it. I used dry ice that freed it up enough to complete the stroke it only needed a few thousands of an inch.

EricHunt Level 4 June 9, 2018
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Look for other work. That's all I can contribute.

Dingodog Level 7 June 8, 2018
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Look for other work. That's all I can contribute.

Dingodog Level 7 June 8, 2018
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This was my text a friend....

My first question is obviously is there any way to reverse direction?
But my guess is that may not be practical as inertia is a big part of the equation.

The TCE of the materials (die and ran too!) Are all factors.
Chill out a 5' ram and that's a LOT of reduction in stroke and thus force on the die.

TCE x delta-T x delta-L = reduction in stroke length. Would think you could reverse direction if you chilled the 5' ram by only 10-20F.

An AC blowing on the ram might do that in a couple of hours.

RavenCT Level 9 June 8, 2018
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Obvious answer is: "punt"

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A picture of the clutch and gears I'm attempting to back up

EricHunt Level 4 June 8, 2018
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Is it hydraulic?

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I will be the very first to admit , I have absolutely no experience with fabrication machinery , and experience provides education in how to handle mechanical problems , that general knowledge would not provide . I gather , you have had training in your specific field , and have been taught the formulas which apply to this problem . In general terms , as you've already pointed out , cold makes metals shrink . Likewise heat makes them expand . Oil helps to reduce friction , which causes metals to heat and thereby expand , which may have caused the problem in the first place . If I ran into a similar problem I think I would try to attack it from all four points . First , let it cool . Second , apply the appropriate viscosity of oil . Third , as you already mentioned , chill the parts which are too big . Four , heat the parts that are too small , to get them to expand . Unfortunately , I don't think you can run the equipment for very long , in this state , if you can get it running at all . But you may be able , once they are loosened , to remove the problematic part . That said , it would make more sense to me , to remove the offending part , take it to the shop , and either make a new part , but the correct size , or , if possible shave down a part that is a trifle too big . I am sorry , I can not provide you with a specific formula , as I don't have that training . To keep from getting fired , you may consider asking your boss for instructions , If he knows the correct answer , you may pump up his ego by asking him . If he doesn't know the answer , then he doesn't know any more than you do .

Cast1es Level 9 June 7, 2018
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Search youtube?

gater Level 7 June 7, 2018
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