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Another mass shooting. This one in Dayton, Ohio. Not many details. But a long gun in a historic area, so probably bars and restaurants open late, maybe some street music and people having a good time even at 1:30 in the morning.

At least 9 dead.

Feeling Great Again, yet?

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15,292 people were fatally shot in The United States in 2019
And Where I live, Ireland where we have gun control
3 people were fatally shot in Ireland in 2019
Do we really need to debate if gun control is a good thing

dermot235 Level 7 May 24, 2020
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I wonder, in these instances of mass shootings and domestic terrorism are people tasked with studying what has actually happened to the perpetrator that the perpetrator gets to a point where he now perceives this as acceptable course of action? Is there underlying psychopathology in most, if not all of these cases? Are there forensics people, researchers really looking into causative factors? It may be impossible in some of these cases to understand the ununderstandable, but I would imagine there has to be something that can be learned scientifically, behaviorally.

Agreed....that's why Timothy McVeigh should not have been murdered by lethal injection....can't force a corpse to tell the truth about all the others involved with the giant truck bomb he parked next to the Murrah Federal Building with kids playing in and out of the day care there.....We are learning from Dylan Roof why he is proud to murder Rev Dr Senator Pinckney and 8 of his bible study members all black who welcomed Dylan for an hour there before he opened firing bullets into all their heads....after a few shots he was asked why ? He answered YOU TAKE OUR JOBS AND OUR WOMEN....racism is alive & well in S Carolina and the White House....racism defines the conquest of Native Americans murdering Red Skin People and raping black women to sell their babies until 1865 on Broad Street downtown Charleston S Carolina just 9 blocks South of the murder scene

You'll hear in news reports following these instances snippets of information, "Investigators say..." But are there full reports, comprehensive analysis of events? Since this seems to be a growing threat to the public's sense of safety, we need to be studying this further. People can then come along and take events such as these and manipulate the reality of what has actually occurred which can cause further fear and terrorization. I think with full case studies made accessible to the public it's much easier to debunk false rumors.

Certain aspects of these situations may appear forever questionable, as some of the information relating to previous incidents appears to have not been fully known or can not provide specific answer for. However, in general given overall full information of the scenario you can accept it as the truth. Some of these cases just come across as not making sense. I don't know. I think we are owed more disclosure in this cases.

A history of domestic violence is one of th common threads.

@LucasfromGR I hadn't heard that was a common thread. I did hear just like yesterday that in virtually all of these cases the perpetrators have interest in committing a mass shooting previous to doing it. Seems like a very straightforward, obvious clue. Hopefully some of these red flag type laws can stop people like this.

@LucasfromGR Okay this is old news already, but I have to follow up. Just found a book that approaches this issue from exactly the perspective I am thinking. It's written by someone holding a masters in forensics psychology and explores the various occurances of mass shootings going back to first one 1949. Not light reading though.

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Maybe if the psycho felt "Great Again" he wouldn't have been such a miserable excuse for a human.

I wonder how many of those who support victim disarmament realize it's the same issue as banning abortion. People are unhappy, and therefore go down a path that leads to something regrettable. Banning one tool will not prevent people from taking out their unhappiness on the innocent. It will just make it harder for people to solve the actual problem.

Janus819 Level 7 Aug 5, 2019

Banning assalt rifles might stop them taking out their unhappiness by shooting everyone

@dermot235 Assault rifles are fully automatic. They have been banned for decades with the exception of grandfathered pre 1986 guns, and even then there's a lot of paperwork and the inelasticity of supply makes them ridiculously expensive. The term you're looking for is "assault weapon" which was made up by politicians to sell victim disarmament. It is based purely on aesthetic and convenience features. We had a ban on those too for years, and it didn't stop anything. When people really want to commit murder, they don't care which tool they use so long as it works. Unless you're a mass murderer yourself, how do you know that they wouldn't just use a bomb or something?

OK First. You don't need to school me on the difference between Automatic weapons and Semi-Automatic Weapons. They are BOTH assault weapons. And Semi-Automatic guns are use in MASS shootings and they kill a lot of people. And your point about if they want to commit murder then they don't care what tool they use. But they will use a tool that is easily available. That's why they use Semi-automatic riffles. If you had BOMB owing rights in the US and you could buy a BOMB in a store, then they would use a bomb, but fortunately you have not got an amendment in your constitution that allows for the ownership of BOMBS. In Ireland where I live we don't sell Semi-automatic weapons in stores and we have had NO School shootings in the 98 year history of out republic. I mean NADA. NONE. Not one. And you can own a gun in Ireland but you have to get a licence that's approved by the police and you have to have a Gun Safe in your home and you can own a hand gun and a hunting rifle and a shotgun for sport shooting but you can't carry it in to a state capital government building like you can in Michigan. And when reasonable rules about gun ownership were introduced in Australia, School shootings disappeared. So if you want to defend the type of gun control or lack of gun control you have in the US on a "our guns are our freedom basis" that's fine. But don't delude yourself that it does not result in gun DEATHS. Gun deaths in the US last year were over 15000. In Ireland it was 3. This gives my children the FREEDOM to go to school without the fear of being shot. I can go to the cinema FREELY and know that nobody is going to shoot the place up. and when I vote and elect a politician to represent me, I know that nobody will turn up to my "state Capital building" to intimidate them with Guns. So I guess to sum up. Banning ONE tool has stopped people murdering each other in most countries, and having reasonable gun control has resulted in deaths from guns in most western developed countries being a tiny fraction of what they are in the US. These are the FACTS Janus. Just plain old facts. FACTS that the NRA know about but are not interested in.

@dermot235 You hadn't said assault weapons, you said assault rifles. There's a difference. Speaking of which, are those "hunting rifles" all bolt action, or are there more scary semi automatic rifles in your country than you implied?

Knives are also used in mass murders. Or have you forgotten about those? How about the "truck of peace" that murdered 80+ people? How about the box cutters that were used for 9/11? For someone who pretends to know so much about mass murders you sure ignore a lot. For that matter, many are done with handguns, including in Australia despite your claim that they haven't had mass shootings since they banned guns. In fact, their violent crime was already dropping and did not accelerate due to the gun ban.

When we're discussing matters of death, you have to keep in mind that guns are not the only things that can kill you. Specifying "gun deaths" in your statistics only means you're ignoring what's actually important, which is violent crime. The places that have banned guns do not have significantly lower violent crime statistics than before they have guns. And if you want to compare across different populations rather than different times, in America the places with the strictest gun laws also have the worst violent crime statistics. "Banning ONE tool has stopped people murdering each other in most countries" ROFL not at all.

But these are just FACTS that the tyrants know but aren't interested in. All they know is it's easier to oppress a disarmed population. Which reminds me, how's Brexit going? Last I heard y'all were finally technically out but still have to follow all the rules, which was always the worst case as the worst if both worlds. Have your tyrants in Belgium acquiesced to your pleas that they free you yet, or is that still how it is?

OK this is going nowhere. You just won't accept that you can kill MORE people with guns than knives. Do you really believe that if someone walked in to columbine with a knife they would have been able to kill all those kids. You have to know how crazy that sounds. So just do yourself a favour and check out Murder rates in School Mass murders. It happens in the US all the time. it DOES NOT happen in the rest of the developed world. You can't escape that FACT.

Now you are showing you ignorance. I live in Ireland. Not the UK. So we are still in the EU. We are not leaving. So your brexit comment are misplaced. Get a MAP. IRELAND

You said that Gun control states with the strictest laws have the highest crime rates. NOT TRUE. See map attached. The darker the colour the Higher the Murder rate per 100,000 of the population. The South has the highest murder rates and have the most Pro Gun Laws. I have no idea where you are getting you "FACTS: from. Maybe it's the NRA

@dermot235 "You just won't accept that you can kill MORE people with guns than knives." It's a relative thing. If you have a gun and everyone else has knives, you'll probably kill more people. If you have a knife and everyone else has guns, you're screwed. If you have a knife and everyone else has fists, again, you're better off. We've tried disarming the criminals. The better solution is to let their intended victims be armed.

If it's not worth you knowing the actual statistics, why should I take your advice to look them up? Actions speak louder than words. Or is it just that you know you can't escape the FACTS about victim disarmament that I've presented?

Oh right, I forgot only Northern Ireland is technically in the UK. But since you're so high and mighty about your geography knowledge, what is Puerto Rico's relationship with the United States? Without looking it up.

I didn't say states, I said places. I was talking about cities, like Chicago and Detroit. New Orleans. D.C. New York City.

You obviously not interested in the FACTS. anyone can Cherry Pick a City or 2. That does no negate the FACTS on states. And Ireland does not have a relationship with the UK the way Puerto Rico has with the US. We are totally independent as a republic.
And you keep talking about arming the intended Victim. School Children are the intended Victims a lot and they can Carry Guns. Would you arm a 6 year old. We are talking about disarming the Perpetrator. Lick I said before and you never addressed this. In Ireland we have strict gun control and we have NEVER had a VICTIM of a school shooting. NEVER, Not one in the 98 year history of our republic. We don't arm our potential Victims to help them protect them selves. We have gun control and IT WORKS. NO Victims of school shooting here, EVER

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Can anyone here say "Mental Health Issue"? 😒

White Nationalist Issue.

@BufftonBeotch I think you're talking about the Texas shooting. Now that guy was a messed up bag of rocks for sure. He'll never be set free into society again.

So, does that mean that taxes should pay for proven, effective mental health treatment for all? Sounds expensive. Besides, what would for profit prisons do if there was effective social and mental health services.

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It will never stop. Nobody has the backbone to stand up & change the damn NRA control of everything & everyone.

Respect for the US is long gone.

I’m a life member of the NRA As is my son and 2 grandsons and I’m damn proud of that. You liberal idiots always try to blame the NRA for all firearms abuses the NRA had nothing whatsoever to do with.

@Trajan61 I'm Canadian, & don't consider myself an idiot, thank you.

@Lilac-Jade Thanks to groups Ike the NRA we have a lot more rights here in the US when it comes to gun ownership and self defense that you do in Canada.

@Lilac-Jade Hell in Canada you don’t even have the right to carry a pistol In remote areas to protect yourself against dangerous wildlife and definitely don’t have the right to carry a pistol for self defense. I’ll take the US over Canada any day.

@Trajan61 Yes we can, we just have to qualify & get a license. My husband always had a rifle for the wilderness when we were younger. We see no need for handguns.

As for self defense, its pretty damn bad when you have to be afraid of your own people.

@Lilac-Jade A 357 magnum revolver would be a hell of a lot more convenient to carry if you were a fisherman or someone not engaged in hunting who was out in the wilderness. Unfortunately every society including Canada has their share of criminals looking for an opportunity to rob, rape or otherwise victimize someone. Here in the US carrying a handgun gives you a better chance.

@Trajan61 Yes, we do, & many have learned it from the US, or they have come in from the US.

@Trajan61 Do you really think that liberals are idiots? Seriously, i am curious?

@LucasfromGR A lot of them are definitely idiots especially ones like AOC, Omar, Talibe and Pressley.

Trajan really seems to get off calling people idiots. Someone should do a word count on how many times Trojan61 says the word idiots. Could take some time for that figure to come in. Might even be higher that the number of gun deaths in the US last year. That was over 15,000 BTW

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OH America is Great Again, We are suffering terrible race hate, socialism hate, news hate, and love for Russia.

EMC2 Level 8 Aug 4, 2019
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Maybe reincarnation is real and Charlie Manson is flying straight up the nostrils into these racist kids brains to wage race war AGAIN ???.....REMEMBER the mailbox bomber driving all over the country to connect the dots on the map with his bombs ? His family lived in Pine Island Minnesota and FBI BATF traced the credit card gasoline purchases to his family house and caught him near his most recent purchase

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glad i live in the uk

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Making America great again... one mass shooting at a time. 😡

MojoDave Level 9 Aug 4, 2019

You are so full of crap!

@Trajan61 ??? Do you know what sarcasm is?

Hey Trajan61
Do you ever do anything else other than insult people and name call them. Are you capable of debate??

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