While sitting pondering of my own lamentations ; just how primitive are we as a species ? Epcecially with Darwin’s concept of evolution and natural selection and how unskilled and unsuccessful I am with it and I couldn’t help but notice just how primitive the process really is even happening without us really noticing it and just how “raw “ this process this really is ( and no I’m not implying the use of force here) but a mere observation and it has been said “ you give a man a fish and he eats for a day but if you teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime ( couldn’t help but noticing how true these words resound) the reason I say this is we as a human species are still in a “ rat race “ to out do out shine and to generally beat or “ competitors “ in life ; but I see some things designed to help in this process ( which comes at a steep price) to me this still seems primitive; whatever happened to a civilized society? In my opinion I think we are still miles away from being “civilized “ if we have to charge for something that is natural but still very fundamental in life; why not show our fellow human without charging any fee( we still don’t know why they don’t understand this basic concept that should be innate and natural to us ) without the speculation but with hard concrete facts ( I’m not implying a cookie cutter method here) ; though it may still too late for me to understand it ( and to be honest I do feel like a piece of trash thrown to the side and rejected ; is there still hope for me ?( due to depression and ADHD)
"Civilized" really only means living in cities.
That may be one of the definitions ; but I’m referring to the definition that pertains to : “a : a relatively high level of cultural and technological development; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained” ( from Webster’s Dictionary)
We are still small tribe savanna based mammals. And most of us are trapped by the genetics of "us and them." The initial advantage of loyalty to the group now results in billions indoctrinated into believing absurdities that no longer support wellbeing of the species.
We are as advanced as we can observe.
We are getting better and very fast.
Think that any low class citizen of a minimum organized country today have access to better health, hygiene, food and even tools/leisure time than the richest king of 300 years ago.
Hunger is going down, literacy is evolving, production of knowledge is accelerating, violent death ratio is decreasing.
There are hiccups and stones on the way, but we are sustematically overcoming them.
The real problem is people that in the name of fear or ignorance try to push back and say that we are getting worse.
Go for the real numbers not your feelings.
This is not my my feelings ; sure observation may not equate to causation but however take a look around do comparisons to nature than tell me if we are as advanced as you say.
@AShep82 compare to what?
We beat up most of our diseases, the best natural environment (wild wheat on Babylon) can maybe provide for some families per hectare, we are in a civilization where 1% of people needs to work on food production the other 99% can do other specializated works.
We can use sources of energy that we didn't even could imagine 500 years ago, we are absolute top of food chain, we can hunt any other apex predators in their habitat. Actually we handicap ourselves and avoid actively using all tools on our box so it is more challenging.
We have cultures and we can beat our instincts based on racionality, we developed the scientific method and 300 years after we put the first object out of our solar system.
We use math and physics to find with precision pieces of rock light years distant.
We can "see" atoms that are smaller than light itself.
You feel we are not advanced because you look what we can be, but look where we were before
@AShep82 compare to nature where any animal can die of infection with a scratch, while we can fight again cancer with fair chances?
Or with any animal that can live In a very narrow climate area where we can live from the poles to deserts?
But I think you missed my point here; I’m just going to lay it out for you here in plain ; the point is that we as humans still exhibit remains of our evolutionary ancestors ( Animalism/primal) traits than compare that to wildlife nature ; I.E ( ADHD,finding a mate,anger) I could go on and on with other examples just enough for you to get the point.
End point Behaviorism
Basic psychology bro
Point blank now ; we still exhibit the characteristics of the “ eat or be eaten “ philosophy; now compare to wildlife I.E lions in a pride or any other wildlife in nature and our evolutionary ancestors compare to us now as a species ; do you not see this philosophy if eat or be eaten still oporating in today’s society.
@AShep82 ah, of course we will always be, culture will always evolve ahead of biology, and it will accelerate even more
@Pedrohbds yes science has the capacity to treat some things but not all ; you take superbugs for example you take antibiotics to kill these organisms and yet these organisms would adapt to the anti biotics ; sure we have the technology to use even atoms ( even weaponizing atoms I.E the Atom Bomb) ; we can make these advances but we cannot elimanate common ancestral characteristics such as anger and any other traits from our primitive past( just speculating with this but why not tweak with the Double helixes in our DNA strands and /or find something on a molecular level to do so ) I’m am definitely not saying for humans to become sociopaths but for the sake of our advancement why not eliminate all primitive aspects from our genes.
@AShep82 do we want to change the characteristics and imperfections that makes us humans and not computers?
@Pedrohbds it does seem like sterilization; I am thinking of it as genetic house cleaning eliminating all the negative traits we no longer have a need for I.E our tailbone’s , do we really need it ? What purpose does it serve , anger do we really need it if we as a species have the capacity for logic and reasoning ; our brains have served us immensely from its infancy until now. Just several examples though as to make a point and not prattle on ( might as well write you a book at that point) lol
@AShep82 well if you have one of this traits, do not reproduce.
This kind of talk og eliminating some genes is dangerous can go to very dark places.
@Pedrohbds it makes sense to me to eliminate any Unnecessary genes from ( the ones we don’t need any more as a species ; if it means evolving to the next stage ; wouldn’t it make sense?
@AShep82 you might want to get rid of something, some people won't want, some people will want to have biologic children even having a way over average genetic problems, who can stop them?