@SkotlandSkye Yes, the main reason for not beleiving in animal rights is not speciesism, but because I do not believe in "rights" on the whole, since I do not believe in absolutes, except one which is that nothing should ever be beyond debate, even rights. In practice however rights work very well, but if you take them too literaly then they are as frozen as religious dogma, and we would still now be recognizing peoples rights to own slaves.

@Fernapple If you don't see all animals/Earthlings as equal...then, yes, that is speciesism. Saying it's not doesn't make it not.

@SkotlandSkye I do see all animal as equal the point was not believing in hu,man rights either.

Don’t insult orangutans in that manner.

My apologies, you are right, that is horribly insulting to a sentient species . . . . not sure we could refer to Trump as being sentient.