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Science and religion

There was a time when science and religion went hand-in-hand. At one point, the most educated were the religious. They often encouraged discovery. So when did this falling out happen particularly with Christianity?

Many of the most scientists were also religious themselves. Why have so much of the religious challenge so much of what is established in science?

If each generation are interpreting holy scripture reflective of its time, then why has it become inconvenient with certain subject matter still today?

Vipyr82 7 Mar 11
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Stephen Hawking said that people will always cling to religious beliefs because most people neither understand nor trust science.

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To the extent that science and religion "went hand-in-hand" one of the two always held a tighter grip, and I think we all know which of the two that was! Religion has always exploited our ignorance. From the medicine doctor claiming to hold sway over evil spirits to the so-called prophet claiming divine inspiration and the ability to perform miracles, religion has preyed upon the credulity of the race.

Science and religion (as we have known it) cannot peaceably exist in the same brain, nor the same world. As Neil DeGrasse Tyson observed, "God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on." Pretty soon, religion will go 'poof!' Those religions that so many venerate today will join the graveyards of all the dead religions that have come before.

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When exactly did science and religion go hand-in-hand? Must have been before Galileo. Must have been before before Socrates was forced to drink poison hemlock for asking too many questions and corrupting the minds of the youth of Athens, as well as the impiety of not believing in the gods of the state.

@TheMiddleWay "As long as science deals with mystery"[?] Seriously? Science always deals with mystery or, as it is more often called, the frontier of our knowledge. Religion, on the other hand, is forced to retreat from its preconceptions with each knowledge-expanding scientific breakthrough. When religion is not wasting its time in combat with science, it spends its time rewriting creeds, dogmas and superstitions. Given this, of what possible use is religion? If it must inevitably bend to science, why must it even exist? As the Great Agnostic of the 19th Century, Robert Green Ingersoll noted, “Every new religion has a little less superstition than the old, so that the religion of Science is but a question of time.”

@TheMiddleWay I tend to agree with you ... there's always more to learn. And yet, it's a bit like the infinite halving of a distance, don't you think? As our knowledge of the cosmos increases, at some point the 'room for religion' occupies a space so tiny and insignificant that it might as well not be there.

@TheMiddleWay I tend to disagree, or would at least prefer that we qualify the term religion with ‘as we understand it today.’ If religion—and here we must insert the dominant faiths we know today—survives (much less remains relevant) in the centuries to come, it must adapt. It will either evolve or join the graveyard of dead beliefs. The Abrahamic deities, God / Yahweh / Allah and Christ, will eventually join Ra, Zeus, Odin, Baal and the myriad other forgotten gods in obscurity.

So then, what are the gaps that the religionist points to today as ‘evidence’ of his/her god? Miracles? Most certainly not—only the most unscientific and superstitious would insist that a supernatural deity interferes with the laws of the universe. Morality? We now know that the foundations of our morality—namely empathy and reciprocity—are found in other mammals, and are therefore a function of evolution. Consciousness? At some point we will determine, perhaps through the field of artificial intelligence, the required functionality for self-awareness. Origins then? Only hardcore fundamentalists reject evolution, and once science can determine how life got started, the only remaining question involves the universe itself, or, as you’ve alluded to, a multiverse.

The issue I take here is that the gaps are not only receding, but are increasingly unknown even to religion. Science is the only true method to identify knowledge gaps. Religions carved out their positions and placed their stakes in the ground. But religion cannot claim that all newly identified unknowns—thank you science—belong to their domain, or in the realm of their god.

The death of religion as we know it, is inevitable, and science is not the only threat to its existence. The very nature of religion—that of an authoritative, hierarchical philosophy—is in question, as the collaborative, collegial and cooperative character of science gradually permeates society and becomes the norm. Our species is evolving, and we are growing weary of top-down models as a society. Religion, in this context, cannot behave as it does today—it cannot have prophets or prophecies, no sanctuaries or churches, no sacred traditions (no sacred anything!), no miracles or holy texts, no such thing as ‘divine inspiration' or 'revealed wisdom.' If such a philosophy can be made and branded a 'religion,' I might even endorse it!

@TheMiddleWay A beautiful response ... I may still disagree on some points, but your points are well taken. With regard to your point about the increasing participation of science in philosophy, I offer the following quote by Stephen Hawking: "Philosophy is dead. Philosophers have not kept up with modern developments in science; particularly physics.”

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There is a pretty good book that covers the sudden change from religion controlling science and learning and knowledge taking control. Link below. Generally Scots decided that the bible ought to be in english and folks should be able to read and interpret it. They introduced government funded basic education to teach children basic reading so they could read the bible written in plain english. This eventually spilled over to the university. Where once the only university studies were bibical based and for that matter in latin with maybe a side of anatomy for physicians, now englsh was used and science was studied for the sake of science.

[barnesandnoble.com]

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One of the main reasons science and religion went hand-in-hand is that the cleergy were the some of the few who could read. They also were the few who could translate the scrolls of the ancient Greeks and Romans. They had knowledge formed decades befor to lean on.

I agree with #GirlwithSmile, once thee church discovered that the earth was not the center of the solar system, they became reluctant in changing their own thoughts. welcome to the Dark Ages.

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It got worse when Trump became our president.

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I think a lot of it happened when they found out that the Universe didn't revolve around the Earth. The Church weren't great fans of a few things happening at that time.
But there's lot of stuff on Wikipedia:
[en.wikipedia.org]

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