I’m not recommending “subjective belief.”
I’m happy to turn ALL belief over to science.
The subjective part is about practice - not belief.
Believe science.
Practice psychosocial behavior modification.

What was that you were saying about strawmanning?

@skado No I did not misunderstand you. Those two are not mutually exclusive either, and I have never still never met anyone who believed otherwise.

Straw-manning me is not a way out of the hole, when you are caught in a hole stop digging.

@Fernapple
I bet it’s just a misunderstanding on either my part or yours or both, rather than anything malicious. And I bet we could talk through it carefully and clarify whatever misunderstanding there might be. And even if we see it differently, that’s allowed too. So what is this hole you think I’m in?

My post doesn’t mention “subjective learning” or characterize anything as “mutually exclusive.” Those are concepts you introduced and then argued against. In fact I made a point of saying that science and practice were “each other’s best ally.”

Where’s the hole?

@skado OK.

1. Your post does not mention subjective learning. "humans need both objective and subjective support." Skado.

2. You do not mention mutually exclusive. "as long as you realize it isn’t the only tool you need." Skado

3. Of course you made the point of saying that "science and practice" Skado (Subjective practice presumably.) are "each others best ally". That is what I take to be the whole point of your article, am I wrong ? Guess what, I do not disagree with any of those points. That is not what my comment is remotely about, as you will see if you read it carefully and properly. My comment is that what sort of a distortion of reality does someone have to live in, to believe that there is anybody who needs to be "told" these things. That is what I mean by straw-manning.

I solemnly await Skados next post entitled. "Why we need to take care crossing the road. For atheists who do not believe in road accidents."

@Fernapple
Help me understand what you mean by “subjective learning” and “subjective practice”.

I’m not familiar with those terms and am having a hard time envisioning what they might refer to. Could you give examples?

@skado I mean exactly the same thing as you subjective support, whatever that means. No alternate meaning just synonyms, probably sloppy casual synonym but I don't care..

@Fernapple

So… you can’t give an example because you have no idea what I’m talking about, but you can’t be bothered to ask for clarification before stating with full confidence that:
“No I did not misunderstand you. Those two are not mutually exclusive either, and I have never still never met anyone who believed otherwise. Straw-manning me is not a way out of the hole, when you are caught in a hole stop digging.”

Don’t look now but there may be a strange person or two in the U.K. Dig on, brother!

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@skado If nobody is supposed to know/guess what it means why post it ?

@Fernapple
I didn’t say nobody is supposed to know. I can’t guess how every possible reader might take my words, and then foolproof them beyond all possible misunderstanding. That’s what followup conversations are for.