Not true, read this- [en.m.wikipedia.org]

While these laws are not yet enacted in every state, more states are hopping aboard and are working on their own red flag laws, hence it is not impossible for authorities to come in and confiscate firearms, and there already are some situations that have occured where people were killed over these pointless laws, but of course those on the left think they are the best thing since sliced bread came along. I had done a post recently in "Pro Gun Rights" on one such example where police killed a man in his home who wasn't even a threat. Red flag laws are going to be ripe for abuses to occur...

@SpikeTalon hundreds of people are killed every single year when they're completely unarmed by a so-called responsible gun owner. Red flag laws could have perhaps at least taken the weapons away from mentally Disturbed people, but of course that violates their second amendment rights. All gun nuts believe that if every single household in America had AR-15s loaded and ready to go sitting around their houses that they would be zero crime.

@Kojaksmom If said gun owners were law abiding and responsible, then they wouldn't shoot anyone, what you described are criminals. Red flag laws have already gotten people killed, they are hardly an alternative, and are ripe for abuse. All you need is to have someone get mad at you and then they want to get revenge on you, and use red flag laws to make up false claims. Peoples rights would get violated left and right, and all it takes is one paranoid or disgruntled anti gun rights individual to cause trouble. The last part of your comment is inaccurate too. I'm a gun rights advocate and I don't even own an AR-15, nor do all fellow gun rights advocates suggest everyone get that kind of rifle. You said that if everyone had an AR-15 laying around their homes they think there would be zero crime, for that matter all the gun control legislation proposed or already enacted by the gun controllers also does not make crime go away, so I'd say the door swings both ways on that. States like California New York Illinois and New Jersey have their fair share of gun violence and all of those states have some of the strictest gun control laws on the books, but their laws do not deter criminals from acting out though...

@SpikeTalon in America we have more guns than the military in our society . how come our crime rate is massive? The only thing we have in this country is mass murders, and crime. Explain why there are more mass shootings in this country than there are in others

@Kojaksmom That one's easy... we have alot of criminals who as youths were brought up in dysfunctional families and once they reached adulthood they had no respect for others let alone law and order. Human beings are the problem, not inanimate objects, but we often look to shift the blame on something else as doing so is easier. Many other countries deal with mass shootings too, it's just that our media sources purposely keep stories of mass shootings out there to keep the public fixated on it. I believe you know Lancer on here? He would readily tell anyone about the gun related violence in Australia. I can't explain that any other way, you can't blame inanimate objects because you may not like them, human beings are the fault here. A big part of the problem I think stems from bullying, as quite a few of the past shooters were bullied at school. While there is some good in human beings, I can't help but think by and large humanity has been a plague in this world. You can take away all the guns you like, you can pass all sorts of feel good legislation that you think may help curb gun related violence, but those with criminal tendencies have no regard for laws and will still commit acts of violence and acquire weapons on the black market. If human beings do not modify their attitudes and overall outlook on life especially the lives of others, nothing in our society will change regardless of all the enacted gun control legislation. I came to the realization long ago that humans are the problem when it comes to violence, I'm just waiting for that much to dawn on others...

@SpikeTalon guns are not inanimate objects . guns are machines that do nothing but kill people. Lancer might tell you whatever he wants to, but Lancers words do not cancel out statistics .the United States is always going to be number one in gun-related violence because everyone and anybody could get one with little or no training. America is also one of the most hostile, greedy, anti humanitarian country in the developed world. I think all people suck,and Personally don't trust anyone with a weapon. the most stable intelligent person raised by a little fluffy housewife and a authoritarian macho father ( the perfect infallible family according to conservatives )can be pushed to the limits to acts of violence in the heat of passion. I'm not saying people don't play A Part in violence, of course they do. In America, gun rights activists don't support extensive, expanded backgroud checks. In the past, conservative Republicans enacted assault weapon bans, and mass violence did go down. You may hate gun laws, but if they can save even one person's life it's worth it.

@Kojaksmom There are plenty of man made objects in this world that could qualify as killing machines, guns are inanimate objects that require a human being to pull the trigger in order to use, so they are no different. Once again, my point isn't whether how much gun related violence our country has, because that reflects on the types of people who live here, alot of those in this country have problems with depression etc and act out, so we should be asking ourselves why are so many depressed and violent prone? I have no choice but to be opposed to the typical gun control legislation because it's not making any meaningful impact in society, people continue getting killed and all the Democrats propose is more of the same. Some of the worst shootings occured in heavily blue states, but their laws have not and will not matter to criminals who think it's a joke. I have no reason to believe Lancer lied about his claims, as he had firsthand experience with such. It's not so much about me hating said laws, but rather I think they are pointless and are not zeroing in on the real cause of the trouble.

I have been on both sides of this debate now. As a teenager through most of my school years I pretty much supported gun control measures as I come from a long line of Democrat family members. I can clearly recall a project I did in high school that supported more gun control legislation, and looking back on that compared to what I believe now it makes me sick the public school system is using kids to advance a political agenda. With the current gun control laws on the books, I predict the violence will go on until we remedy the depressed and angry people in our country.

@SpikeTalon so what you're saying is if your whole family was at a family reunion it is just as dangerous for you to be attacked by a lone person wielding knife than an AR-15?. We are caught in a vicious cycle. every time there's gun violence the National Rifle Association is extremely happy. The tendency is for gun sales to increase dramaticall. Perhaps we need to stop putting assault weapons in the hands of angry, stressed out ,depressed people .perhaps it's greed, absolutely zero family / work balance, no paid maternity leave ,0 safety net for people who truly are at risk, lack of healthcare, the inability for people to work a job and earn a living, Tax breaks that make it only easier for the Filthy Rich to become more rich, a school system that that comes in near last in the developed world .The United States of America is incredibly user-unfriendly country .I have friends who live in England who are afraid to come here because of our gun laws. It stresses me that we live in a country that pushes and encourages all people to be fully armed. If you asked people in England or Australia if they saw someone on their property what would they do. Australians and the english would go out and see what the person wanted or was doing. if you asked Americans what they would do in the same situation, they would report they would ask them to leave if they didn't they would shoot them.

@Kojaksmom I've yet to encounter a member of the NRA who is/was thrilled over someone getting killed in a shooting, not sure where you heard that one from? I wholeheartedly agree with not arming mentally disturbed or angry people, but the thing is with thriving black markets as long as people have the money they could get their hands on weapons regardless of what laws are in place. There are alot of factors to take into consideration as to why people are depressed and angry, and some of those you mentioned are probably true. I'll take this country any day, those countries you named are not exactly friendly towards individual liberties namely free speech. I have a relative who lived in Italy and immigrated here back in 2002, and one thing that inspired him to move was our gun laws that consider citizens first as opposed to what the government wants. My point there being made is that while I'm sure there are some foreigners who don't agree with our laws, there are equally some out there who do. I don't own any property yet, but if I did and someone trespassed on my turf without warning and especially if I didn't even know the person, I would warn them too to get off my property and if they didn't I would be ready to defend myself if necessary. Animals do this daily, protect their nest/cave/dwelling etc, so why shouldn't we humans do the same? Afterall, we are an animal too.

@Kojaksmom To go along with my second to last comment on this thread, the following is from another Australian in the conservative group I host, there are quite a few non-Americans out there that can appreciate our freedoms that so many of us here take for granted. I think it's a sad day when more non-Americans realize how ridiculous it is to blame guns for crimes than alot of my fellow Americans do-

From a non American who can appreciate the 2nd amendment. The fact that Freedom involves responsibility , and the sense to know “ I’m living in a city with millions of people. All with their own story and reason for doing shit ..highs lows , loses and scores and to trifle with a persons choice to pack some possibly life saving lbs of metal and lead to there pearsonage ....or not be bothered because its against their beliefs “ guns are bad”” wouldn’t be caught dead with one. seems a no brainer .. leave the assault rifle alone .... Keep me out of the hands of gangs , Muslims, Drug cartels , deranged deprived of empathy serial killers and those capable of premeditated murder on a whim. People guilty of violent crimes with little or no remorse . Which any logical person can deduce is a fantasy. Banning assault rifles is not the answer... humans are responsible for the premeditated murdering of countless of their kind. Blaming the tool only makes you a bad repair person.

Plus isn’t the world getting so insanely pc these days that . Hating and insulting an assault rifle , defaming and ridiculing the 2nd amendment is Un American ... bigoted , hateful , insulting comments towards assault rifles, will be made to face the full power of America’s judicial system. Do not utter a slur at assault rifles doing so is actually offensive and racist.. Most assault rifles are black. .. Born in using Trump speak ( Broadly.. factual) ... So it makes sense that the assault rifle needs to get woke. .. to no longer stand for the hatred and sheer blame with scant accounting of the facts.....blame the rifle for this school shooting and those latest school shootings .. Dead kids ...killed by other kids.with serious problems and .....a lifetime of treatment and jail time.........But they demonized the assault rifle ... don’t they realise it can’t shoot itself .... I... it wishes it could but no..inanimate , benign. Forced against its will to expel their lethal cargo .. spill blood , kill others.. innocents. Blaming the gun is being a lazy human.

@SpikeTalon second amendment rights is a well regulated militia. The Constitution does not specifically say each and every single individual should be armed with the weapon that could kill hundreds in a matter of seconds. Until it f** does, you're at the losing end of an argument . The Constitution does not guarantee that guns are sacred,they should be loved, protected, respected , admired and adored. This is the meaning of the term ammosexual. The Constitution speaks of Guns that were usef for hunting for food. Guns that were incapable of mass murder, and allowed on their properties only. From my understanding, it was not legal for people to bring guns into town in the Wild West. If you ask me, believing that your country is the greatest country that exists on the face of the planet that is above reproach is the most Anti patriotic thing a human being can do.

@Kojaksmom This is the whole 2A- A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Did you notice that last part there where it says the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED? First of all, the militia is the people and government is comprised of the citizens. The first part states we need to maintain a strong militia in case of war breaking out, the last part is quite clear and states the right of the people shall not be infringed. The gun control crowd loves to forget about that part. No, I'm on the winning side of that argument and that's why the gun controllers by and large cannot nor have not been able to restrict that right or achieve any big wins, because they are wrong about our rights. The people do mean each individual. Guns aren't sacred and I've yet to meet any gun owners who thought so, but gun rights are just that a right. This is where the gun controllers go wrong again when it comes to the term ammosexual, someone like me supports gun rights and not guns per se, as guns are inanimate objects. Human beings have rights not objects, and I fight for rights. It be one cold day in the imaginary hell that I fight for rights for mere objects, big difference there. On the contrary, the Constitution does not mention anything about hunting, please point out in the above where it mentioned to go hunting. During the days of the wild west people openly carried guns and hardly anyone lost their minds over that. Some towns may have banned guns due to those drinking at saloons, but alot of them didn't care also. I don't believe this is the best country ever, but I am proud of the country I was born in and grew up in, again big difference there. I for one do not believe in nationalism, but I do have basic patriotism though. Most Americans don't realize just how good we have it here.

@SpikeTalon and most Americans don't realize how the quality of life is better in other countries as well

@Kojaksmom Eh, I'll take my chances here, at least in the US the government doesn't control certain aspects of our personal lives unlike alot of the European and Asian countries. I don't think a utopia exists anywhere in this world...

Murder because of unrealistic hate is the root cause. A truck or a gun is the method used to accomplish the murder.

@Jk1960 MY POINT is you fix it all, but you first start with laws and rules. You are not going to fix racits and bigots in 10 years, but you can make it less easier by implementing good solid gun laws. Do not try your gun BS on me. It won't work. I am 71 b een all over the US and some of Europe. I never had a gun still don't, n ever will. You guys and your toys, why don't you get some caveman clubs and duke it out? People who justify the death and mutilation of people and animals for no other reason than misplaced hated are not welcome in my world.