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Jesus the judge- The bible is clear that judging other people is not only wrong but is also a sin! Jesus judges almost everyone he comes in contact with and also confesses their sins in front of other people. How would you feel if your pastor told the whole congregation every sin you had told him in confidence? Why does Jesus point out other peoples sins in front of everyone especially the Jewish leaders if his intentions were to save them from their sins? How can Jesus be so forgiving if he is out pointing the finger at everyone?

IpraiseMYSELF 6 June 2
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Sorry, but you would not win that argument with a knowledgeable Christian. They would simply point out that only God has the right to judge, and Jesus was God. He told others not to judge because they were not divine and so did not have the right to judge as He did.

Heraclitus Level 8 June 7, 2018

Yes, I have heard that line of b.s. before. But the problem is that if Jesus came to be the perfect, sinless sacrifice then he had to obey all the rules while here on earth, right! He can not choose what sins he wants to obey and ignore the others and still be sinless. They say god has the right to judge but not when he is supposed to be leading by example here on earth. I don't know how many times I have heard Christians tell me that Jesus shows us the way, or "what would Jesus do." Obviously Jesus would judge everyone and then tell you not to! Why should I be held accountable for sins if god himself can not even keep the same rules? You can not have it both ways either Jesus sinned as a man and can not be the Christ or gods laws are unjust because he can not even follow them.

@IpraiseMYSELF An interesting argument, but I don't think you will find anywhere in the bible that Jesus was supposed to be leading by example here on Earth. That's just a false assumption that some Christians make, though what you say is a good retort to the "what would Jesus do" question. Also, I have never heard a Christian say that Jesus came to be perfect, rather that he was God from birth, or even in heaven before birth, and hence always perfect. However, the interesting implication of your argument, given your assumptions, is that God has to obey the same rules that we do and so has no right to judge us. If that is true, then there can be no Judgement Day, and no heaven and hell. Thus, there is no salvation and all of Christianity is completely undermined.

@Heraclitus Your lack of knowledge about Christianity amazes me! The fact is that the only reason Jesus came to earth was to be a sinless sacrifice. Let me guess, you must have gone to a catholic church where they spoke in Latin so YOU AND NO ONE ELSE KNEW WHAT THE HELL WAS GOING ON! LOL. Sorry for being so blunt, but all of Christianity is based on the fact that Jesus came to earth to live a sinless life, and die on the cross as a sinless sacrifice. The whole bible preaches this in the fact that the Jews are waiting for the Christ still and have denied Jesus as the Christ because of the hundreds of biblical scriptures they believe the Christ MUST fulfill. The most important being sinless according to the laws of Moses. The Jews do not accept Jesus as the Christ because he did not keep the Sabbath day! The Christian cult even makes their followers chant a special prayer of initiation where they proclaim that " I believe Jesus was a sinless sacrifice for my sins." The reason you think I am making assumptions is because you have not done your research and are uneducated on this subject. That's ok though because that is what this group is all about, educating people on the lies and corruption of the Christian religion. I'm glad you are bringing these questions up because there are many people who have no idea what Christianity is actually preaching.

@IpraiseMYSELF That's not at all what I said. Try reading it again. If Christ was perfect from birth, of course he was sinless.

@Heraclitus You said Christ was not supposed to be leading by example here on earth! You don't think being a sinless man is leading by example, and then preaching to others to "follow me" is leading by example. You also said that Jesus was not to come to be perfect but that he was god from birth and is always perfect. This sounds like a play on words that a detective may use to try and incriminate an innocent person. But I will play your game. If god is always perfect then you are admitting that Jesus did not sin because he is always perfect. Why did he break the commandment that he placed as law in the old testament of the Sabbath day?

@IpraiseMYSELF Read it again. What I actually said was that I didn't think you could find anywhere in the bible that Jesus said he was leading by example...and you can't. You may interpret something that way, but that is your own subjective interpretation. He didn't say it.
Secondly, you are interpreting the words "Follow me" in a very particular narrow way and insisting that all Christians must interpret it the way you do. From experience, I disagree that all Christians narrowly interpret this the same way you do, especially when it comes to passing Divine Judgment on people. "Follow me" can mean many things, such as in Matthew 4:19 and Mark 1:17, and it certainly doesn't have to mean that "you have to do everything exactly as I do it."
Thirdly, you are the one who said that Jesus "came to be the perfect", not me. If Jesus came to be perfect rather than always was perfect, then it follows that he was once imperfect. If he was once imperfect, then it follows that he was once sinful and could not have been the sinless sacrifice that you claim. You either didn't mean what you said, or you are contradicting yourself.
Fourthly, I do not believe that Jesus was perfect. But, if you have read the bible then you already know the answer to your own question since Jesus answered this himself. (Mark 2:27 New Living Translation: "Then Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath." ) Jesus did not agree with the narrow legalistic Sabbatical interpretation of the Sadducees and Pharisees. In fact, he disagreed with them often. Now, you might disagree with Jesus and agree with the narrow legalistic views of the Sadducees and Pharisees, but that does not mean that Jesus agreed with you.

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It's all made up bullshit (no disrespect.) I see know reason to discuss it...but that's just me. I was born & raised Pagan so it's all aramaic to me.

MissaDixon Level 7 June 2, 2018

Yes, it is all bullshit. But if we do not open their eyes to the truth we will have to suffer through this religious persecution forever! How many more people need to die because of religious wars? How many people need to suffer in jail because of Christian liars? When will we stand together and fight against the hypocrisy of the Christian church? We can not afford to let this religion destroy our nation any longer!

@Countrycuz666 (air high five! and lifting a horn to you in greeting.)

@IpraiseMYSELF Peoples of the Book (who still ARE following the Book) really can't be helped. It's 2018, they already know better just choose to not do better.

@MissaDixon I disagree because I followed Christianity for ten years before my eyes were opened. If it wasn't for Pagans who showed me the truth I could still be a puppet! Now it's my turn to give back like they did for me!

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Interesting perspective. Never thought about this way.

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The 11th commandment thou shalt Do as I say, not as I do

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