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Biden Invokes Dead Family Members Against Medicare for All and Corporate Media Plays Along

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Truth is, a vast majority on ACA would go bankrupt if in Beau's case. A good part of those with employer program health care also. I'll go out on the limb and bet daddy paid a good chunk of change to get Beau the best help he could. In which most in this group couldnt afford.

William_Mary 8 Sep 10
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I am really hoping biden doesn't get the nomination. I'm pretty sure my hopes are in vain.

Support for Biden seems to be the same support that Trump got when he said he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it. Biden can support or write whatever crappy legislation he wants like the 1994 Crime Bill, support wars, not support Medicare for All, be pro-corporation, etc etc etc. and still get support from Democratic Party voters just because he's "not Trump". Just like how a lot of people voted for Trump because he wasn't Hillary. At least Trump lied to his supporters about changing things. Biden is telling us that he will change nothing! He literally said if he's elected president that nothing will fundamentally change.

@Piece2YourPuzzle If he is the one the Democrats decide to go with I'll vote for just because I will not vote for trump and I will not throw my vote away just because it will make me feel good not voting for Biden. If anyone thinks 4 more years of trump is a good thing vote for him.

@silverotter11 It's your right to vote for whoever you want and I would never tell you otherwise. I have had people blast me for not voting for their candidate in the past. I believe in actual democracy and not telling people who to vote for and then blasting them for not doing so. For myself though, I don't believe in voting for someone "just because" or to vote for them in spite of the other candidate. No vote is "thrown away". I'm just saying that it seems that Democrats are using the same reasoning that Trump voters used, with a slight difference. It's another story and conversation even talking about if our limited choice in these elections is even practical with the way these parties pretty much choose their own primary candidates.

@altschmerz You would like 4 more years of trump?

@silverotter11 have we talked about conditioning yet? With all due respect, and I have a ton of it for you, this is a large part of the conditioning that keeps 3rd party candidates out of the electoral arena of all aspects. This theory started at the top of the food chain then spread out to all bellow by word of mouth. Some think tank developed it and the MSM poured gas on it to spread it like wild fire. It worked so well, the conditioning, that the MSM doesn't even have to mention it anymore. We do it for them now! All they have to do now is plant a seed like a picture, Jill Stein at a global conference, create a false narrative to the picture, and the voters run rabid with it ignorantly. Condition-narrative-managed perception-success-everything remains the same.

Have we talked about Caitlin Johnstone's 1-2 Punch, how democrats work with republicans like a boxers 1-2 punch? No matter who might win in the democratic party will it matter to what Trump has done. He has set the tone for the future and a potential democrat will do very little, if anything, to roll back the damage. Everything making the news right now that Trump has a hand in, in fucking up will shortly there after become silent in the MSM. I give you for example, Obama and his immigration policies. In which he sent more immigrants out of the country than any other president before him. And they were not the criminal types either. I'll also give you his drone and warring record. In which he vastly expanded. While not so much on tax breaks, but there was enough of that also, but over 2 trillion in bailouts in which was done through closed door agreements with representatives we never learned about for a few years later. What we thought was a mere 800 billion turned somehow into over 2 trillion that went over seas to off shore accounts for billionaires. Yea, that kind of makes 800 billion seem like a mere.

These were all issues Bush created that voters from the democratic support system were outraged over, yet Obama drastically expanded them within media silence. In which many of those supporters are still ignorant of, or compliant to, and love the guy for. Success-everything remained the same-until someone during that 8 years managed to put the whole picture together and exposed the truth. Independent journalism discovers we're further right-here comes Trump-his supporters were watching for 8 years-now the ignorance ball is in their court. And they took that power of conditioning and moved the country further right. Can I get a cycle from my groupies?

I'm going to continue to speak out for 3rd parties to everyone. Here, home, workplace, family, votes, with hope to change someday for those I leave behind. That change is not going to come from either establishment party! Or the libertarian party, and not likely from an independent from within an establishment party either, though many try. I'm talking about a truest member/s of 3rd parties like the greens or sep. Because I know the history of what everything above has brought us to today. A never ending cycle that only continues to move us towards full fascism for the benefit of a very few. Whether anyone realizes it, we are the Forth Reich right now. The US is the leading member in all aspects of the global Forth Reich for the benefit of the global elite. Trump was the test of time! Wait until you see what they have waiting behind him! It may be another decade to get this person through the threshold, but when he steps through, Trump is going to seem like a powder puff. It could even be Joe Biden. He has all the qualities! The little John McCain he is, is just dying to get out. And the establishment really seems to want to set him loose.

@William_Mary Oh! YEAH! Obama was a real disappointment. It seems Nixon's admin wrote the book and every admin since has simply upped the ante on behind the scenes dealings, lies and money manipulation. MSM learned a long time ago how easy the shell game is to play on Americans. The real place to start is in the local areas. Still trying to get an independant as county commish (I have worked on those committees) here in Kittitas. At least there was finally a woman elected as county commish AND a woman democrat won the congressional seat in 2018 both firsts for this district.
I am truly hoping biden is not the nominee. I totally agree with what you wrote above, just how the fuck do you get Americans to wake up? The really weird thing? When I point out to the Obama haters he actually deported as many immigrants as he did they don't believe me!!

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