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is global warming and CO2 good for the planet Earth?
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
Please tell me you're kidding.
I heard a man say that "All that is good is of God, if it is not good it is not of God" If God is ...
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
Rhetorical question? You seem to have your answers already. Welcome. You are in the right place.
Does The Universe Have Intention?
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
IF it does, these intentions would truly be beyond the intellectual capacities of we "mere mortals". One thing we can readily discount is; as evident on this world alone, the creation of creatures who must consume other creatures to survive and the rise of humankind as a dominant species with those needs as well as the need to destroy their own kind for too many reasons; these intentions would in any way altruistic.
Are Religious persons allowed on this Agnostic site? I am new, and have not come across one yet....
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
Allowed? Yes. Accepted? Probably not unless they present a sincere desire to understand us, which I find very unlikely. More likely they'd be here to spread the "good news", upon the very mention of they'd be beset by demons of buybullical proportions!
Why are religious people so insistent on having religion in politics and start calling you crazy, ...
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
Wow...I came in late...all the good answers I had are taken...delusional, evangelical, believing they are right and representative of the ultimate good for everyone...
Your religious experiences
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
My experiences with religion have always been bad, some horrific, growing up agnostic in the evangelical southern baptist south. I have had many varied spiritual experiences but none I could relate to a religion. Philosophies, yes but never a religion.
Solid point
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
Its so sad so few of us can see the irony, too. *sigh*
What's your favorite childhood TV show or movie?
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
Star Trek or Dark Shadows. Hard choice there!
What is the non-theist replacement for "I'll pray for you?"
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
Based on my own experiences, I can say "I know your pain" (and possibly elaborate) or "I can't imagine what you're going through". Being spiritual by nature, either way I might add "I am with you". I'd then follow with any tangible assistance I'd readily offer adding, "If you need me, just call."
Agnostic: Are you a atheist?
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
I was beset by several "evangelical atheists" when I first came to this site so I feel your pain. It is interesting very few have commented to your post. Imagine that. Ironically, these very people who demanded I become an atheist or already was one confirmed my conviction to NEVER be one. The antithesis of the theist, their common ideal of forcing beliefs on others I find both absurd and repulsive. I know those of us who don't know everything are a great annoyance to those who do...but I can live with that.
How do you personally define the word "spiritual?" To me, it does not mean a lack of dogma but still...
DangerDave comments on Dec 9, 2017:
Being an (Agnostic) Spiritual Humanist...I'll try to be brief! I agree with your premises and find them among the most important aspects of my definition so I'll see no need to reiterate. "Spiritual" is definitely a word that needs to be "taken back" from the religious. Still, we cannot deny the causes and effects of the religious experience, especially understanding we are discussing 90% of the population. While in most cases we can dismiss the religions themselves as mythology, we cannot deny the psychological and social impacts of this "spirituality". In that I "believe" in all gods...as the sum total of the behaviors of their believers. Given the brutal history of many, if not most, religions even with the majority of believers' "best intentions" these are powerful and terrible gods indeed! If the theists took a close look at the religions they support, from the obvious hate mongers to the seemingly benign missionaries who force the starving to convert to their deities for food, many might consider the errors of their faith and find a path to a spirituality of reason. To quote from the Spiritual Humanism website (link) : "While it is impossible to remove age old traditions from human culture, we can redirect them by redefining their underlying significance and meanings...By using a method of scientific inquiry we can define the inspirational, singular spark inherent in all living creatures." My spectrum of the word "spirituality" has to include, but is not limited to, emotion and creativity. Even negative emotions fall into this realm in that overcoming them results in some of the most joyful and self defining times of our lives. Still, my greatest spirituality is in the absence of emotion, a "oneness" with the universe which provides the greatest source of creativity I've known. This I achieve in several ways, but here I'll mention doing so by a focus: either on a specific concept or absolutely nothing at all. The former has brought some interesting variations to concepts and solutions to wide varieties of issues and problems. The latter has resulted in some of my greatest achievements in the arts and creative thought. Here I do enter the realm of metaphysics, a seemingly taboo subject for many on this website. My favorite pet theories include Carl Jung's collective unconscious to more modern concepts of a cosmic consciousness. Probably the cornerstone of my spirituality is I do not have to know. I experience as both a physical and spiritual entity. "Being" is more important to me than knowing, with a clear understanding much of spirituality is unknowable and may always be beyond the limitations of human intellect. http://www.spiritualhumanism.org/what.php
What colors do you like for Agnostic.com's T-shirt?
DangerDave comments on Dec 8, 2017:
Do you really have to choose? You can't have a selection of colors?
Help pick a design for our T-shirt!
DangerDave comments on Dec 8, 2017:
I'd say definitely include the ".com". Better advertising and, without it, people will just think the wearer is self-identifying. I'd consider a catchy quote or byline but that's opening another can or worms.
What's the best/worst present you've ever received?
DangerDave comments on Dec 8, 2017:
Best present: A Kay 3/4 SG-style bass, my first "real" instrument. Worst PresentS: SOCKS!!! I've secretly donated many more than I've ever worn!
If you could were offered free lessons in a subject of your choice, what would you want to learn?
DangerDave comments on Dec 8, 2017:
I'm spread so thin artistically already but I've often considered photography and videography lessons...BUT... I at times regret formally studying music. Yes, I learned a lot but I also learned the terminology of the very techniques I'd been using in composition since my early teens. My best "classical" compositions came from the heart, not in trying to write by the rules. Danny Elfman (who left the very strange band Oingo Boingo to become one of the most prolific movie score composers of all time) said "My education in film music came from watching tons of films." So yeah, I'll stay a "punk photographer". I have often wondered how The Ramones might have sounded had they been classically trained...but never for long! If you're ever serious about the Chinese Diti lessons I am qualified now to teach you though!
I don't understand how someone can waste so much time "praying". I prefer to call it a talk with an ...
DangerDave comments on Dec 8, 2017:
hehe...if you're a southern baptist with any income you have to tithe to be "heard" too. Hey kids, that's 10% of your babysitting and paper route money. Its tough being an xian, especially with such a mean daddy.
What's your favorite thing about the winter season?
DangerDave comments on Dec 7, 2017:
Before Vegas it was snow-birding to Florida.
What is the main reason why you are not religious?
DangerDave comments on Dec 7, 2017:
Welcome Alexa! I have a realistic view of the world and, with that, I can clearly see the reasons for religion. The primary one seems to be social engineering. I see the effects as well: damaged psyches, communities, regions, nations...and in the case of the spread of xianity the destruction of entire cultures and the subjugation of continents. The most horrendous events throughout our known history can be traced back to religion...so none for me, thank you but no thank you!
We meet in real life. How do you greet me?
DangerDave comments on Dec 7, 2017:
I'm a hugger and, knowing you as I do already, you'd get a full on hug...not something I'd do with most women in this day and time in our current political climate. Most women in my family were huggers till we reached our "untouchable" teens. Shortly after, I moved to some very physical social circles when hugging members of the opposite sex you'd just met was customary. Hey, it was the 70s. We might be doing much more before the day's end!
How can we say we have free speech in this country when any one can get fired from any job in the ...
DangerDave comments on Dec 6, 2017:
Well, you can still SAY we have freedom of speech... Let's face it, our freedoms are eroding. This one I place the blame squarely in the laps of "us" liberals, who seem determined that no one offends anyone else. I am gratefully not among these fragile little snowflakes. I come from a time when you could say the "N" word and it wasn't necessarily an insult. I thoroughly enjoyed and always shared good Polish, Irish, blonde and Helen Keller jokes...and yes, I'm an Irish blonde. I don't get it but this isn't the greatest of our liberties I miss most. I'd have to say that the ability to make a decent living of a 40 hour work week ranks much higher.
It seems to me that the people on this site know the Bible, Quran etc. better than those that follow...
DangerDave comments on Dec 6, 2017:
"Those who believe the buybull have never really read it." I know its paraphrased but if anyone knows who is credited for this quote please let me know! I was calling BS when I could first understand bible stories. Snakes don't talk. You're not going to gather two of each animal from all over the world in a day. No once could survive being in the belly of a whale three days and live. And trying to hear these stupid stories and sing "Jay-Zeus Loves Me" was both difficult and contradictory, listening to a preacher screaming over a few thousand watt amplifier in the next room to all our parents all the many reasons we were all going to "Hey-Ya'll". My thoughts on that were if in the unlikely event I ever went to "Hey-Ya'll" I'd just say "Hey, Ya'll !!!" to all my friends. I was a really weird kid in our southern baptist community. Coincidence? Not really. Most of the religious just repeat the few passages pounded into their heads at their chosen cults (or churches). If they ever change their minds there are other similar cults they can attend or they can even choose from several other thousands of sects (denominations) with an entirely different set of select passages. Its not like the religious want to know anything. They just want to be told what to believe.
What makes you leery about someone?
DangerDave comments on Dec 6, 2017:
"Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit." the Desiderata My immediate "leery". While I rarely have GQ days people who are sloppily dressed and/or odoriferous in public. On getting to know people, let's just say I gravitate to artists and lovers of the arts (well, yeah, being an artist!). Not a requirement but I've seen seen too many without some eye, ear or even taste (double entendre intended) for the arts (visual, performance, culinary...) to be decidedly two dimensional and boring. Know-it-alls. Religious (or non) fanatics. Politicians. People who jump in front of me in checkout lines. This is just a partial list but I'm sure you get the idea.
What are you rated?
DangerDave comments on Dec 5, 2017:
The whole spectrum, depending on current company.
How could Adam and Eve sin if they didn't know sin yet?
DangerDave comments on Dec 5, 2017:
Buybull-ically, when they ate of the tree of knowledge they arguably committed the first sin, though Eve gets the double down because she tempted Adam to eat of it. Why any benign god would have such a temptation available to his new favorite toys is beyond any reason, as well as allowing the "snake" access to the garden. Apparently this omniscient god missed the snake sneaking in. More contradictions. I share The Skeptics Annotated Bible everywhere such abrahamic absurdities arise. Enjoy! http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Do you rescind your support in the face of wrong doing?
DangerDave comments on Dec 5, 2017:
In a heartbeat. I'm no sports fan but I went from Democrat to Independent the minute it was confirmed they'd rigged the DNC primaries. Now for the weather?
What’s your view on free will?
DangerDave comments on Dec 5, 2017:
I'm an adult and I'll exercise my freewill within the bounds of the law with what minuscule remaining resources are at my disposal that our society and our government allow me. Among the many reasons I moved to Nevada was I like to smoke dope. I'll spare you the many others just by saying in general I wanted to get away from the xian conservative controlled southern states I'd lived in all my life. The move itself was an exercise in freewill. Giving freewill to a child is an entirely different matter. They do need to be taught and protected from many things they would instinctively want to do. To compare them to adults is comparing apples and oranges. I certainly hope you're not suggesting more restrictions on adults using children as an analogy. If you are, who is deciding what's "harmful"? You? Some other new government agencies to pile even more restrictions on us?
Do you think dreams have any real meaning?
DangerDave comments on Dec 4, 2017:
Absolutely! I've done considerable reading on the psychological causes of dreams. As a counselor, I was instructed to have our clients keep dream journals and was instructed to do so myself when I was in rehab. Of course, not all dreams have meaning but many are subconscious, often symbolic, responses to our fears, desires or are related to outstanding, often traumatic, life events. An example: I had a recurring and very frightening dream from my youth to rehab of a huge disfigured giant chasing me I had no hope of outrunning. I'd always awaken when he was just about to catch me. While many details were given by my therapist, most with astounding accuracy, the basic interpretation was I felt overwhelmed by my situation and the giant was a representation of the problems I faced, indicating a deep seated fear I would be overcome by them. I'll offer this article as a brief layman's introduction to psychological dream interpretation. It has some good references if you'd like further academic studies. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dream-analysis-psychology_us_59b6e640e4b0a50fd051fd03
Should gambling be legal in the U.S.?
DangerDave comments on Dec 4, 2017:
If I'm a zealot about anything, its personal liberties. No one can claim to be truly free if they are met with ANY restrictions beyond infringing on the personal liberties of others. (That concept is an ethical quagmire in and of itself I won't go into at this time.) I would suggest having therapy readily available for addicts but, here in Las Vegas, there are as many free GA groups as there are casinos. Those who have a problem and want help can find it. Those who have a problem and DON'T want help are going to indulge the addiction, whether its legal or not. Clandestine gambling halls and sports books are virtually anywhere anyone is so inclined to find or create them. The benefits of gambling in Nevada are amazing. There are no state income taxes and other taxes are comparable to those of other states, yet our public services and infrastructure are among the best in the nation. A large part of the tax revenue that makes this possible comes from the gambling industry. On a personal note I was concerned my OCD would create a gambling problem I'd have to deal with just as I have my other addictions. I'm proud to say I (as of yet) have only gambled the "free money" most casinos give you on a first visit. I've walked away from every one when the money was gone except one. There, I played slots for two hours till I was bored and cashed in the $30 remaining of the $50 they gave me, wishing I'd done so when I topped out at about $120. I only got the membership cards (with the free money) for the buffet discounts anyway. The food is always awesome and abundant. Now there' an addiction I have to watch our for!
What do you do when you get bad news?
DangerDave comments on Dec 4, 2017:
It depends on the news but I certainly do my best to rectify the situation to the best of my ability. Some things, such as death, cannot be "rectified" in and of itself but I will try to find my own consolation in consoling others. I'm am now in the midst of several struggles from a series if unfortunate events. I've done what I can over the past month to resolve these during a head cold that turned into a serious infection. The lost time at work definitely didn't help and, though I managed a full week last week, I'm so far behind on my financial solutions I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Still, I carry on to the best of my ability and know that light will be out there somewhere IF I continue working to get there. As far as your situation goes my input is do what you can. Check in on them often. Simply showing affection and concern can work wonders for the attitude, and hence recovery, of the injured and otherwise distressed.
What is your favorite cake you bake?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
Do poptarts count?
Life's too short... (finish the line).
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
...for fussing and fighting my friend. Ok, so John and Paul said it first...and I paraphrase...
Do you support legalization of weed?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
One of many reasons I moved to Las Vegas. I don't have a medicinal card but I do get some indica at times for aches and pains along with my sativa for recreational and creative flow...and video games. Here a year later I've yet to exhibit any of the aberrant behavior as seen in "Reefer Madness".
Are the religious willfully ignorant?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
I like "willfully ignorant". To paraphrase Bill Maher from "Religilous" there are otherwise intelligent people who must go through some serious compartmentalization to believe in talking snakes and blood for sin. That way of thinking has always been so inconceivable to me but apparently that puts me in a small minority of the world's population.
Tough One: What is One of Your Completely Original Thoughts?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
I MAY have some but I tend to lean toward "nothing new under the sun"...aside from those on the cutting edge of research, of course, of which I am not one.
Just read Agnostic.com`s question on FB "Do you believe in magic?" Not as cut and dried as we might ...
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
It depends on your definition of "magic". I consider what I do as a performer, teacher and counselor to be among my primary "enchantments". I consider my theatrical voice training to be at the forefront of my "magical" skills. Inflection, tone and carefully chosen words can be very convincing and cause dramatic changes in the listeners' points of view. Of course most of this is readily explainable in scientific terms. Semantics aside, the ability to change perception, and sometimes lives, is a very profound skill.
I'm an organ donor
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
Me too but they'll probably use me for research at my age. My body is a shell anyway. I'll have no further need of it.
Can Atheists/Agnostics Have a "Spirituality" that Does Not Depend on the Supernatural?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
Being an (Agnositc) Spiritual Humanist my vote is a resounding YES!!! Meditation is a definite example of my spirituality. I wouldn't call myself a Buddhist but I do agree with many of their philosophical concepts, especially in the "oneness" that can be achieved through meditation. Being a performing artist (composer, choreographer, lyricist, writer, etc) I "wander" in the ethereal from whence I find an abundant source of inspiration. I've expounded on those ideas in a previous post: https://agnostic.com/discussion/3890/spirituality-for-agnostics-and-maybe-even-atheists
Isn't the idea about the rapture silly?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
VERY silly. I wish they would "rapture" though. The world would be a much better place without these religiots!
brush with death
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
First, thank you for your service. I have the greatest respect for those who put their lives on the line for my simple freedoms to even be able to post in a forum such as this. I was a drunken carouser in my younger years and took on several opponents who beat me to near death. I'm just now overcoming one of many near fatal infections (I have lupus so I am prone to them) which went from common cold symptoms to fading sight, energy levels and cognitive abilities very rapidly. Even though I was brought up in a fundamentalist Southern Baptist family and community I have always been agnostic and quite sure the "buybull" was asking me to do just that. I have never felt a compulsion to pray during those experiences but instead did what felt would best allow me to survive.
Do you believe you will see your love ones again after you die? Why?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
This is a tough question and one that can have many responses. Citing cases of near death experiences (NDE) I'd say most definitely! But are these really seeing loved ones or the hallucinations that can be expected in a dying brain? It is interesting to note that people who have had NDE also report seeing THEIR deity, prophet, etc. This line of reasoning would have us believe EVERY religion is "right" which in and of itself is a major contradiction of most religious beliefs. We cannot know until we die so I suggest you live your life to its fullest potential. This will not only make you the most complete human being you can be but, if you do have loved ones you'll meet in the "great beyond", they will certainly be more impressed!
Who believes as i do of aliens visited earth and they were made out to be gods, only because of ...
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
I keep it open as a possibility but there was a time I was sold. I began reading Erich von Däniken ("Chariots of the Gods", etc) at about the age of 10 and, looking for "reason beyond religion", I was completely taken by this line of thought. Surely there are enigmas in earth's history but those do include the ingenuity and resourcefulness of our distant ancestors. A case in point is our "Dark Ages", when abrahamic religions all but ended serious scientific inquiry for over 1000 years. Today I find the possibilities of ancient advanced civilizations (such as Atlantis) equally compelling.
Age & Romance: How Low (or High) will you go?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
I am thrilled to announce I have a new 19 year old act lead and almost as happy to announce she is in a committed relationship. While I often enjoy romantic adventures with my act leads those excursions do tend to complicate the business of the act itself. Still, she fulfills any emotional and "romantic" needs I have at this point in my life simply in sharing our mutual interests in performing arts, as well as the development of her skills and the discovery of how she works as a performer. Of course getting to spend time with someone with such mutual and unusual interests and aspirations is a definite plus, something that has been sadly missing from my life for several years now! Its nothing nearly romantic but she has encouraged me to "get my act together" again, to rehearse and be well prepared for our rehearsals. (This is a primary reason I haven't been around awhile and I'm here now merely for the fact she had to cancel our weekend session.) I have always been attracted to young, beautiful women...especially creative, intelligent and charismatic ones. Hugh Hefner is my hero. Still, since my twenties and three failed engagements, I make it clear marriage is not on the table and any exclusivity in the relationship is not a requirement. So, for me at my age ( 58 ), X < 30. Call me a "dirty old man" if you will, and I am a "Dom" of an entirely different meaning as well, but it works for me.
Advice on writing a book? Have any?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
You've received some great advice and I have very few additions. Being a writer (primarily fiction) and having been a high school English teacher (out of necessity as a Music teacher in many small private schools) I became very aware of grammar, usage and form. From that standpoint I'll take a look at your post as if I were speaking to a student. The first apparent problem you have is run on paragraphs. Whenever you are presenting a new line of thought, or a differing view of the same line of thought, its time for a new paragraph. Use a space between each and, if you're writing the work itself, an indentation. I suggest five spaces. Avoid overly long sentences and, when you must use commas in a long sentence, use a semicolon to clearly show additional information; these simple changes to your style will make your concepts much easier to understand. Reread your work, paragraph by paragraph and sentence by sentence, to ensure you are expressing complete and coherent thoughts. Reread as if you were speaking to someone. If you're experiencing any difficulties in understanding it is almost certain your reader will. A final recommendation is RESEARCH! You are hoping to write an original work on a subject in which many academic works have already been published. Be sure to cite your sources, of course. Finally, I'll offer my college textbook on grammar and usage. There must be similar resources on the internet but I studied and taught in a time when there was no internet. Three desk essentials at that time were a good collegiate dictionary, a good collegiate thesaurus and most definitely the McGraw-Hill Handbook of English Grammar and Usage. I kept all these within easy reach and referred to them often regardless of the topic, both fiction and non. https://www.amazon.com/McGraw-Hill-Handbook-English-Grammar-Usage/dp/0071799907
Energy Cannot Naturally Be Created or Destroyed! isn't this scientific principle proof of Eternity?!...
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
Being Agnostic and a priest of Spiritual Humanism, I find the concept of life energy being "eternal" intriguing though we cannot fathom eternity, locked in space and time in our mortal, physical shells. Theists will scream "YES!!!" as loudly as the atheist will scream "NO!!!!" but the simple fact of the matter is no one can know with complete certainty. I've read a lot of research from both sides and, while I don't pretend to understand it all, both sides come to the debate with their own preconceptions. It is definitely one of the most biased areas of debate about human existence, largely because this concerns one of the most important core beliefs of both theist and atheist. I feel no compulsion to argue the unknowable and find the very concept both absurd and self-serving. Instead, I am content to live in a wondrous, ever evolving universe with a simple understanding that in this life we are far more than just physical beings. I am however a proponent of the "energy of self" side and offer these simple explanations as reasons, though hardly absolute proof, for this belief. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/5-reasons-you-wont-die_b_810936.html
If you could change ONE thing about yourself, what would it be?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
Age. I want to be 18 again and know what I know now.
Post a lyric that empowers or motivates you. "I'm the one at the sail, I'm the master of my ...
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
We are the others, We are the cast outs, We're the outsiders But you can't hide us, We are the others, We are the cast outs You're not out there on your own If you feel mistreated, Torn and cheated, You're not alone, We are the others Delain - We Are The Others
Who's child free and over 35?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
I am very proud to have not brought anyone else into existence to endure this insanity. I've kinda enjoyed my own from time to time but I was young in the 70s...so...
Depression is an infinite loop of thoughts. What do you think ?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
My depression was associated with alcoholism and addiction. Getting clean marked the start in my ever diminishing depression. Depression does not have to be infinite though it seems it is when you are experiencing it. Seek the source and deal with it accordingly.
Do you have a subconscious racial bias?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
Oh, mine are quite conscious. While I try to judge people as individuals, and only when I have an absolute need to do so, some racial and cultural differences cannot be dismissed. So as not to pick on any but my own, I'm from an Irish family with a long history of alcoholic men and enabling women. The Andy Capp cartoon strip has us pegged very well!
Agnosticism and Divinity
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
Though they aren't synonymous I prefer Spiritual to Divine. Being Agnositc, I don't necessarily attribute these experiences to a god but I don't completely dismiss the possibility. Yes, I do have a strong leaning toward Pantheism but I'm far from convinced. All I am convinced of is organized religion is a smoke and mirrors scam.
Please share one awesome thing about where you live. :)
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
The Vegas Strip. Of all the amazing things this town has to offer its my favorite. Always alive, always teeming with people from all over the world, always something new going on. And, unlike most other US cities, there is not a church on every corner. That's reason enough for this agnostic to love it!
Ignosticism, anyone? The basic idea that it's pointless to argue the existence or non-existence ...
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
So I am now an Ignostic Agnostic. I find the never-ending circular arguments of many of both theists and atheists both too absurd and too strangely similar.
How to deal with parents?
DangerDave comments on Nov 26, 2017:
Yes, it depends on the parents, you, when the confrontation occurs...many factors. My first confrontation came at about 3 when my mother tried to convince me buybull stories were real. The cognitive dissonance (snakes don't talk, you can't get two each of every animal from all over the world in one place, etc, etc, etc) coupled with her utter shock I was an unbeliever is still one of my earliest memories. I tried playing along but it was always to placate her. But too many stories of atrocities committed by this "loving gawd" and his followers were often too much to even pretend I pretended. I was utterly nauseated by the religion. I was about 9 when my mother told me at 12 I could quit church and, at that time, be old enough to sit at home Sundays while my family went to thump buybulls. It was a shallow victory, one I don't think my family would expect I'd take them up on and caused an irreparable rift which eventually was a main reason for me walking away from them and never looking back. Of course, my mother locking me in a room as I was dying of an infection at the age of 16 ranks up there too. Knowing she (truly believed she) was doing the "lawd's work" didn't make me any more understanding.
What kind of catalyst are we waiting on to change the human thought process and brain activity to ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 25, 2017:
More and more of us are organizing, not yet so much in unified movements but in our own "special interest groups" anti-war, social causes, womens' rights groups, etc. The world is awakening but if it is to awaken in time it these movements will have to find a means of unification. YOU can be the catalyst. Do what you are able to become an active part in these movements as you are called to them.
Thank you for this community! I’d just like to say hello, happy secular holidays and I hope to ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 24, 2017:
Welcome, Ary! I'll be looking for you in the discussions!
What kind of posts do you prefer?
DangerDave comments on Nov 24, 2017:
"Get to know you posts", such as this one, are among my favorites. I also enjoy the intellectually stimulating ones. within and beyond the realms of our beliefs. My "bonus" lately has been fewer posts and much less harassment of myself and others by the idiot fringe atheists. (Some peace may best be enjoyed in silence...but you asked!)
I have this hippy soul that tears at me when i think about work, bills, propaganda, and consumerism....
DangerDave comments on Nov 24, 2017:
Awwww....I consider it in myself more hedonism than hippydom but I know how you feel. It amounts to the same though: working to live someone else's dream when you're just getting by and you find all the "stuff" they're selling as happiness is really worthless beyond food and shelter. I'm an artist so my escape is easy. It does wonders to dull the pain of the 40 hour week!
Why do people think that the Bible is and has the only source of "truth"? What is truth exactly?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
In one word, indoctrination. But xians cannot agree on what this biblical "truth" means and, of course, this "truth" has no means of being empirically proven. Aside from the vast and varied philosophical debates the word elicits, "truth" can easily be described as "that which is real". The debate begins of course because few of us can agree on what "truth" is as we each interpret it differently using the only means we have: our very limited senses and intellect already fraught with individual emotions and past experiences.
Does anyone feel they are becoming addicted to this site? I pay attention to other people’s ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
Given the choice of this or Facebook at least there is some substance here, some "brain exchange", with like minded people. There are far worse addictions.
For the readers. What was the title of that first book which really turned you on to reading and ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
Dick and Jane...or whatever my first book was!
Hi everyone! You can tell me a good book about human psychology? About...feeling, emotions or... I ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
Care of the Soul - Thomas Moore The title is deceptive. Moore applies in depth psychotherapy to complex ethics issues using case studies and world religion allegory in an amazingly easy to understand narrative.
Do god and santa claus ever hang out with the easter bunny and the tooth ferry?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
There is a tooth ferry? Does it carry fallen teeth across the river Styx? Would you suggest to said dead dentition to be sure to arrive on the other side before paying the ferry fairy? Notice while I'm playing on a misspelling I'm also creating a subjective mythology, also coincidentally subject to the "rules" of another mythology. Some mythologies, as previously stated, are based in objective reality but the details of that reality is usually lost as more is added to the mythos.
If you found out the Christian God of the bible was real, would you worship him?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
The evil of the abrahamic god is evident in the acts of his believers: jews, xians, muslims, mormons, etc, etc...the sum total of this god has amounted to the most destructive forces ever unleashed in the world. Worship it? NO WAY!!! I feel my civic and ethic duty is to stand against it.
New to the group and just want to say hello. My main interest is theoretical physics. I am not ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
*awaits the din of the ignorant atheists on this site who attack agnostics with circular, too often repeated arguments about unproven science and Easter bunnies* Not yet? Not to worry. They will find you. And they will be greatly angered when you are not greatly impressed by the insightless ignorance they confuse with boundless intelligence. Gratefully their numbers are low...though atheists outnumber agnostics here most are decent people. I'm a writer, composer and graphic artist. You could say I deal in theoretical realities. That would make us something of polar opposite colleagues. Goodta meetcha!
What movies do you find inspirational as an atheist/agnositc?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
"The Gods Must Be Crazy" is the first to come to mind.
Any one here a punk rocker? If so what bands do you like?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
@Saramarie got my favorite classics but I'll add Blondie, Siouxie, The Cranberries... I feel Green Day did a lot to redefine Punk for the new millennia but it was pretty much all over the place already, from the "pop punk" of Avril and Paramore to rockabilly like Stray Cats and Hellfreaks to....you get the idea.
Assuming Jesus Christ existed, I find it unlikely that he died on the cross. In those days many ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
I strongly lean toward it never happened. The buybull itself brings us the several of the first discrepancies throughout the four gospels. This is very clearly a mythology, a folklore that changed over the course of mere decades and within just a few hundred miles. https://www.thoughtco.com/contradictions-in-gospel-accounts-of-jesus-crucifixion-250140
Ask any Muslim "you think you as a man, equal to a woman?". "Yes we are equal" he will replies. ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
ummm, no, I won't ask him. I would offer him the truth about his fantasy, however. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
Doubt
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
Facts vs Faith. Reality vs Fantasy. And believing in which god? Ask any of the abrahamic sects to start here and ask them to repeat the facts of their faiths. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
What businesses should we not buy from?
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
Walmart, Papa John's and McDonald's for proving beyond any doubt trickle down doesn't work. That's all the specifics that come to mind but I'm just doing my outright best to leave the smallest carbon footprint possible.
Does the context of a verse in a religious text really justify it?
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
"Context" arguments are for theists, really. Do you want to see the buybull in its actual context? http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Do you think all religious are equal?
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
Equal? Not in kill count. That's topped by xianity in recent, reliably recorded history.
What an atheist or agnostic like yourself would do if you live in a Muslim country that legalizes ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
If you are atheist (or of any other doctrine) and you live in an Islamic society this is my advice: Judge carefully the laws pertaining to being atheist (or of any other doctrine) in your locality. Hide in the religion as needed but still seek whatever change you are able without endangering yourselves. Do not become "charged with anger" as theists do. Always seek the sane solution. Otherwise live your life as you will and help others when you are able.
If you are atheist and you live in Islamic society. this is my advise: don't try to change ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
If you are atheist (or of any other doctrine) and you live in an Islamic society... this is my advice: Judge carefully the laws pertaining to being atheist (or of any other doctrine) in your locality. Hide in the religion as needed but still seek whatever change you are able without endangering yourselves. Do not become "charged with anger" as theists do. Live your life as you will and help others when you are able.
I posted the question," Should we educate or exterminate religious people?", on several social media...
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
wow. I'm just pleased there aren't as many extremist agnostics as atheists. Although I do consider myself "liberal", if not radical. People who break laws (murder, child endangerment, harassment, etc) with religion as an excuse, use religion for personal gain to the detriment of others (every televangelist ever, etc) and those who use religious platforms for political reasons should all be jailed, as many (but faaaar too few) already have been. But yeah, there was an atheist who came through awhile ago who'd decided he wanted to go burn some churches. You two would get along nicely.
Paranormal
DangerDave comments on Nov 20, 2017:
Yes, I believe, have experienced and have learned to manipulate the experience in many cases. Some fall into the realm of the "paranormal" because current theories (psychological, neurological, social, etc, etc) to the best of my knowledge are as yet unable to explain these phenomenon. I do not necessarily associate these phenomenon with a supreme being but neither can I deny with any certainty they are not.
I don't know the ways of the Universe.but if a monotheistic God exist, he/she evidently has no ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 19, 2017:
This speaks of several theist theories, most notably Deism and some definitions of Pantheism. Google both those and you'll find related concepts as well. Enjoy the journey as well as the destination.
WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON ABORTION ?
DangerDave comments on Nov 19, 2017:
I have no meaningful position on abortion because I'm not a woman. It's her body, it should be her business.
How open are you about debate?
DangerDave comments on Nov 19, 2017:
None for me thanks. I'm just here to meet like-minded people, as we are in many ways. We've had some "exchanges". I wouldn't call them debates. Then, we can accept each others' points of view and treat each other with respect.
do souls truly exists?
DangerDave comments on Nov 19, 2017:
All we truly know is your "soul", described here as "self", is a complex array of electrical impulses. These are often stimulated by hormones released by proper stimuli and by the drugs, drinks...even food you ingest. An eternal soul? I personally believe it doesn't matter. And isn't matter. That complex array of electrical impulses has to go somewhere.
Which last longer, Christian marriages or agnostic/atheist marriages?
DangerDave comments on Nov 18, 2017:
Christians (overall) 27%, Atheists/Agnostics 21% on the divorce rates but the rates of various xian sects varies greatly. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
3 main religions
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
I would have ticked "overly simplistic and often erroneous" had it been offered. For instance: "The purpose of these religions as in their goals were to allow human beings to be able to live together harmoniously with minimal hostility." Theists of those sects would have you believe it but it actually started as social engineering of the Hebrew tribes, then landless nomads. And if you're going to suggest the buybull represents a loving god proposing world peace you should read some of these: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
A lot of great thinkers here, much better than FB. Very glad I joined. Discussion without all the ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
Oh, the name calling and vapid arguments happen. Just like anywhere its up to you to decide whether to participate in, or even acknowledge, it.
How can one sin if they genuinely believe in the afterlife
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
Sin, repent, repeat. That is till you've been able to rationalize the behavior as "not sin", then go on to the next temptation.
Hello everyone This was my first day here and i probably ran my mouth too much. I should have lurked...
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
Its amazing the number of thin skinned atheists on Agnostics.com. There is a "block" button for the most offendable...and offensive. I'll personally "allow" them for a time, at least. Not only do newcomers need to be warned, I at times find them quite amusing in their single minded ranting. (They hate it when you compare them to fundamentalist theists, by the way.) I truly wish I'd seen your posts in question. It appears I missed a good belly laugh or a few. Regardless, be yourself here and, if someone has a well stated argument given in a civil manner, listen to it. Or not.
Have you ever been a Christian's pet project?
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
A few times. The most awkward time was when I dated a charismatic and went to her church to appease her. I was considering stumbling around, writhing on the floor, yelling gibberish and drooling with her and the rest of them but thought better of it. I never went back to church with her and, needless to say, that was near the end of that relationship!
Do you ever look at someone and just know they're a Christian?
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
Carrying a buybull usually is a dead giveaway...unless its a theistic satanist planning to burn it or read it backwards.
What's an example of UnIntelligent Design?
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
I'll add putting the sewer too close to the playground. heh
What are your thoughts on "Pantheism"
DangerDave comments on Nov 15, 2017:
First, let's get some working definitions of the word: pan·the·ism noun 1. a doctrine that identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God. 2. rare; worship that admits or tolerates all gods. (source: Google dictionary) While I of course have no proof, I and predominantly 1. but I can accept 2. as well as many other rational possibilities of a supreme being. (Notice I left out the "benign" you often see in the adjectives. My "jury" is DEFINITELY still out on that one!) 1. If a being is omnipresent it will be in all things, matter and energy, and be a sum total of simultaneous existence throughout all time. If omniscient, which I would say is another prerequisite for omnipotence, It would be aware of all thought, emotion and even instinctual drives of all beings throughout the universe throughout all time, again simultaneously. 2. In this framework, I see the man made deities as existing in the thoughts and actions of believers. I see most beliefs are benign but all we need to do is watch the evening news to see the inhumane malignancy of the gods of the abrahamic sects...judaism, xianity and islam. The OT from the start is clearly a tool of social engineering created by a ruling class of a landless nation, loosely scattered nomadic tribes. To make this work, they ingeniously made one of its first lessons abundantly clear: "if you eat from the tree of knowledge, you die!" Lucifer, a Roman god also known as the Lightbearer, was an obvious choice for the nemesis of their god. Since then the vast majority of wanton "EVIL" acts have occurred as belief in almost every sect of countless millions of individual "cults"; or synagogues, churches and mosques. We see what they (and thus their gods, in my opinion) do in small groups and banded together in large theopolitical movements of millions. Consider our current war in the Middle East. We said we were going in retaliation for 9/11, to find Bin Laden. We're still there over a decade later. Why? There are many factors but one is to keep our dependency on fossil fuels going for as long as possible...till we run out or destroy the planet, which ever comes first... BUT...support of many believers of all the abrahamic sects is seeing this is all happening as a part of their prophecies, that they're all doing the right thing by killing the "godless" gentiles, heathens and infidels...to some, its actually bringing on the "end times". So yes, in that context I see their god in its true light...even beyond the imaginary deity who flooded the world and destroyed a few cities here and there. But it is FAR from omnipotent! A sad case in point: after fighting each other and everyone else with a different opinion for centuries, none ...
i used to date a Baptist girl. She never would have sex standing up. When I asked her why she told ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 15, 2017:
lol...roflmao...we of the teen underground in our SB community shared TONS of baptist jokes but I never heard that one! One of my all time favorites: A Southern Baptist and a Methodist crashed landed on a deserted island. The Methodist was terrified and said, "I don't think they'll ever find us. We don't have a radio or any way to send a distress signal." The Baptist just looked at peace and said, "Well, I make $400,000 a year and I'm a tither. My preacher is going to find me."
Am I alone because i believe what i believe? I am if i choose to be this way... Hmmm. Awhile back i ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 15, 2017:
I think we're all alone in what we believe. over 1800 sects of xianity and even those of the same sects will argue biblical interpretation. Beliefs are very individual...no two people will agree on every point. I began my religious exploration at age 15, when I discovered the counter culture of our predominantly fundamentalist southern baptist area. I did a lot of suggested reading, attended rituals and had many lengthy conversations on individual beliefs. I was curious but never felt a compunction to convert to any of their faiths. I already had the basic beliefs developing I still have today but I was enriched with knowledge and companionship. One thing we had in common was our acceptance of the beliefs of others, an antithesis of the evangelical theists most of our parents were. I've never been a "true believer" though I have leanings toward Pantheism. While I believe "gods" may be defined as the sum total of the actions of their believers it is apparent many sacred texts are contradictory, historically and scientifically inaccurate and often very clearly the result of Iron Age social engineering. Dogs and cats ruling the earth? It could happen...and may already have somewhere in this ancient, expansive and diverse universe.
Does a good relationship require 100% honesty?
DangerDave comments on Nov 13, 2017:
In my experience completely honest relationships are usually best, with exceptions. Relationships in which I kept BIG secrets were still good. I revealed most, was caught in some and if it didn't immediately ruin the relationship it soured the short life of it. Which brings me to an exception: when a "completely honest relationship" becomes a "where have you been, who were you with and exactly what did you do while you're there???" relationship its the most hellish relationship of all! Gratefully, most of my completely honest relationships have been of the opposite variety!
What created this me first generation?
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
VOTE and become politically active. Boomers generally suck, and I say so even though I am one! I am definitely not one of the rich though, or even well off, who are basically feeding off their own children as they ruin their environment and rob every benefit from them so even the best off of their kid as adults will be saddling not only their student loans for decades but all the corporate tax breaks for their entire, very likely short lives! Except, of course, the children of the 1% who, guess what? traditionally become the next 1% who are pulling the political strings. I just wondered what happened to us (boomers). Many of the very same Trumpiots who are blindly following the current political insanity into oblivion were once like me: supporters of a clean environment, equality on all levels, justice, honesty and the end of political corruption. I'm just glad I'm not among those who changed so dramatically and thrilled I never became a parent. I wouldn't wish this hellhole on anyone! No, they do not compromise. Not to sound demeaning but there needs to be a great increase in actively opposing these oligarchs on political, social and legal levels. Get active and encourage others to do so. This is your world now and you cannot let these ancient greedy tyrants continue to destroy it!
I like to pronounce New Age so that it rhymes with sewage.
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
It'd work in a punk or screamo tune!
Can Sex be Spiritual
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
I've never married and I've never been in a relationship where my mate would even consider it...unless it was with another guy. I could see her point but, alas, that didn't interest me at all! Still, yes, it happens as MsOliver pointed out very well. While you could term it "ritualized" I'm sure you could incorporate methods such as tantric sex, which I've found very spiritual, to groups where the union of the partner(s?) transcend(s) to a union to the universe. I was introduced to tantric sex in my teens by, of all people, a xian wicccan (don't ask me, she spent hours trying to explain the belief system to me) and I've since incorporated it in any LTR I've been in. Its a very uplifting experience!
Let's get to know each other better
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
I've been baaaaad about reading but my current I pick up from time to time is "The Re-Enchantment of Everyday Life" by Thomas Moore. I used to be an voracious reader but I've lately been into CRPGs of the interactive fiction varieties. I am primarily a musician so let me share my introduction and link from my question about music... "For my favorite genre, I've been a female fronted metal enthusiast since I heard Heart and Pat Benatar. Current faves range from rockabilly (Hellfreaks) and grunge (The Pretty Reckless) to melodic metalcore (Amaranthe) and symphonic metal (Delain) Metal (in general) which I became an immediate fan of when I heard Black Sabbath (Ozzy Osbourne's old band). Too many faves to mention but I will add Metallica is an all time favorite. Progressive Metal: RUSH!!!, Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP Novelty/Comedy acts: Weird Al, Steam Powered Giraffe "Power" Classical: Beethoven, Wagner, Stravinsky I can listen to and enjoy just about anything but, if its going to be repetitive, let's keep it in the dance club!" https://agnostic.com/discussion/2489/what-are-your-favorite-bands-performers-and-or-genres
The more time I spend on here, the more it feels less like a dating site and more like as social ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
Its a relatively new site and, as you see, they're working on it! I agree though...with the exception of just a few trolls its a great social site! Its good to have a forum of like-minded people. I'm interested in seeing how it grows and evolves!
The Clitoris is the Devil's Doorbell
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
I don't know I'll bother to read the article, however entertaining it may be... ...but xian girls have known for years there is a loophole... https://youtu.be/j8ZF_R_j0OY
The struggle to find a partner...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Some very good advice given here...my only addition is try to look at it as an adventure over a struggle. Try some of the advice given but get to know some people, as many as possible, before going out full blast for a partner. I've never been big on LTRs myself but still, my best mates I met when finding a mate was the furthest thing from my mind.
I have a theory of knowledge that I'd like to share and get some honest critique on. I think that ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Your theory fairly well describes the basics of Educational Psychology. However limitations go far beyond our senses and biases. There are several other factors involved which are neatly summarized in the first paragraph of the link below. You may find the entire article and some of its references interesting as well. Given the huge, varied and ever growing amount of information to process and the great variances of how it is processed, and why, results in the great diversity (and chaos) of humankind. Myself as an example: my studies in education and psychology were undertaken solely as a means of gaining a degree in orchestral music education as a fall back career. Some decades later I find I've retained much more about music than any of the social sciences. Now, some decades later, I've forgotten more about music than most people ever know. History, dates, composers' pets' names...I've retained what I feel is useful to me (theory, composition, etc) and left the rest by the wayside. A lot of "data" is shed not because it is untrue but because it is unimportant to the individual. On your final sentence, I wish! Most people, and I'd say especially theists, have no compunction to learn new things beyond possibly work skills, hobbies and the like. And challenge their beliefs?!? Forget about it! I personally agree with you though. To me, when you stop learning you stop living. And if any incoming data results in a change in my universal view, so be it. But, as our greatest minds continue to redefine the universe in terms I won't pretend to be able understand, I find no real compunction to understand the workings of the universe but instead stand in wonder at the diversity and complexity of it all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_theory_(education)

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