lol sounds great!

You speak like a Trumpster.

Bernie "conned "us? He was the only one telling us what the real problems are.

He was not weak. He was not silent. The system was already rigged before he got in the race and he knew it but had the courage to run anyway. He helped to wake up the electorate as to what the real issues are.

Bernie had to be careful not to split the party.

@dare2dream keep telling yourself that and you're going to get the same results. Which is exactly why we can't change the system. And while you make my case for me you refuse to see it. "be careful not to split the party" "helped to wake up the electorate to the real issues" Take a trip through memory lane and try to recall what charges he made against Clinton and the democratic party! Those charges were made in an attempt to split the party, for them to vote towards a progressive nature over a corrupt system for the likes of wall street and corporations. You in no way shape or form have it both ways in a sincere reality. Sincere being the key word here. Sanders became just another jab for the democratic party towards the 2 party system. Feel free to replace any issue in this Caitlin Johnstone article and you have what's going on today. [medium.com] A lot of politicians get on camera and tell us what they think the problem is. Then they vote for the opposite to fix it, because they don't want to fix it. And yes, Sanders was extremely weak. We have evidence from since the 90's of the Clinton neoliberal politics and shady dealings that Sanders could have used against Clinton in the debates while he continuously only used a mere few.

@William_Mary I don't know what you've been through personally to make you so anti-Bernie. But to me he's the leader of the progressive wave and Ocasio-Cortez's win was just inspiring, a sign of things to come, that money doesn't always win you elections which it traditionally has. If you listen to Kyle Kulinski, he was one of the founders of the Justice Democrats and they worked out its easier to take over a corrupt party than try to win on a green ticket, due to the difficulty of being able to vote Green in some states as they don't have a candidate on the ticket. Plus sooo many people unfortunately always vote Red or Blue, they don't have the time or inclination to seek out 3rd parties. So I hope you can get back on Bernie, he's the only one who is now a household name who has good values and isn't a sellout.

@CockadoodleDoo evidence! I don't know what more you need! You're stating the evidence yourself and can't see it. Ocasio-Cortez's is quite inspiring, but she's in a party within the very same corruption Sanders spoke of. Without others to back her up she will most likely be silenced and ignored much the same as Sanders has been for decades. It's going to be a constant up hill battle for her because she doesn't have green party people to help her. Kyle Kulinski, a Young Turks affiliate. How did Cenk work out for us? He turned that group into another fake news source. Say one thing and vote the other thing. Marvelous. You're trying to sell me he's not a sellout when everything that happened tells us he did. You are admitting the party is corrupt while asking me to support it. Seriously!?! Instead of providing me a statement I already know, "Plus sooo many people unfortunately always vote Red or Blue, they don't have the time or inclination to seek out 3rd parties." you should be asking yourself why that is. Which is why I'm fighting against it! And the media, 4th estate, that should also be fighting against it rather than for it. And you. I'll tell you why. the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) have rules designed to block alternative-party candidates from debating? Because of Jesse Ventura's 1998 independent campaign in Minnesota. Ventura was dismissed as "not viable" with a tiny percentage in the polls until he was allow to participate in a gubernatorial debate. His poll numbers soared and he went on to win the election. When the CPD (controlled by Dem & GOP leaders) saw what happened in Minnesota, it raised the requirement to 15% in the polls in 2000 so that Gore and Bush wouldn't have to face Nader and Buchanan in the debates.The CPD's rules aren't meant to block nonviable candidates. They're meant to stop alternative-party candidates from becoming viable. After Obama's surprise win the democrats weren't going to take a chance of Clinton losing again. So they put in what they thought was the least likely opponent, who made a deal, as we later found out towards the end of the primary, to go soft on her. They made one big ass major mistake, miscalculation though. They had no clue that so many people would actually get behind a socialist! People switching from the republican party to vote for a god dam socialist!?! In swarms. Independents where needed switching to democrat to vote for one. The millennial movement! Those in the age groups of 50 and up!?! Yea, you want me to remain silent and ignore the truths of our government, media, and election corruption, rather that get notice to my fellow Americans that there can be a better choice. That doesn't sound familiar to you? You have to step out of the illusion to be able to fight it. All the green party needs is the same support we gave Sanders! And to get them out there like Ventura was able to participate. It's difficult for a reason. Break the reason!

@William_Mary : So you say you are a be a real progressive socialist. But you fault Bernie. So, who are you for? Who do you back? Hillary?

Sorry. I won't vote for a corporate backed Democrat or Repub. Neither will represent me or my concerns. The Democrats will have to run Elizabeth Warren or Robert Reich or the like or the Dems are not going to win in 2020. And it will be THEIR fault.

@dare2dream how dare you! Hillary!?! Why I oughta slap you so hard you start 2dreaming. I find Warren to be another piece of window dressing for fake progressive politics. This is a woman that got stabbed in the back by Hillieary over the blackmail bill, knowing she is a total neoliberal war monger, she, Clinton, lied about her vote for the Iraq war, she, Warren, held out on her support throughout the entire primary, to give it to the very person she should be fighting against over a supposedly fellow progressive candidate. Warren is just another mouth piece of the illusion. Reich did the same thing all through most of the primary. Spoke up Sanders and why he should be the candidate. Talked down Clinton from his time as part of the Clinton administration and the flaws it created. Then in the end like so many other mouth pieces, gave lips service to Clinton. News flash! There was another choice out there. A real progressive candidate that champions peace people and planet. I went by way of peace people and planet. Jill Stein of the green party. Us X Sanders supporters have been slowly educating the US to their existence. In Ohio alone for the primary's going on now, we have almost doubled the people in the green party. It's growing because people want change and starting to get knowledge of the party. If you're against all that like you say, you'd be a good addition to my group here. Feel free to join and add your insight. "Out Of The Illusion "

Trump is 72!

Yeah the Democratic Establishment is corrupt a.f. Super-delegates are a joke. Check this out
[selinavickers.com]

I totally agree.

@PalacinkyPDX : If Bernie will be 87 at the end of a supposed second term, SO WHAT?

If the Dems put forth another corporate sponsored establishment candidate for prez, it will be a choice between two evils again. Really evil and so so evil. It's still evil and neither would represent my interests.

@PalacinkyPDX : Let's run another non-establishment candidate. Elizabeth Warren? Robert Reich? Somebody like them with Bernie's message. I'll back them.

But if the Dems run another establishment candidate backed by corporate special interests, THEY will be splitting the party. What happens because of that will be on them!

@dare2dream Sorry @PalacinkyPDX, I agree with dare2dream. Look where voting the lesser of 2 evils has gotten the country to date. At least Trump and his Republicans are sooooo bad that people are now having to genuinely listen to progressive voice. Ocasio-Cortez's campaign had a powerful (cheaply made) video and they did a lot of door-knocking. This is the way to get through to people, people are tired of poltiical spin, and the Democratic establishment have no policies other than "Trump is bad" - because they're all sellouts too.

@PalacinkyPDX : I agree with you that will happen. But who are you FOR? Are you saying you will vote for a Democrat who is beholden to the 1% just to keep tRump out?

Remember, the lesser of two evils is still evil.

@PalacinkyPDX : I see. I agree. We are not far from fascism. I see our system is rigged and there seems to be no way to get the power necessary to improve things. I'm despairing.

I find it strange that socialism has a bad reputation on a country that has never had it. Things are different in the UK.

So you don't care about the working class. Just yourself.