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Monogamy vs. Ethical Non-Monogamy. Ready set....discuss

wrknbuzz 4 Oct 19
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Monogamy seems historically to have stemmed from a time when marriage in all it's forms was basicly a form of registered ownership of one or more women by a man. The current overlay of romantic love as a part of the marriage contract is historically very recent. So a loose non monogamous set of relationships based on mutual trust and friendship could be quite possible and workable.

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There are a few instances in nature of monogamy. The only one I can think of is the bald eagle but there are others. I don't believe man was meant to be monogamous. I see polygamy as a more natural condition where multiple partners all love each other. In northern Europe many couples don't bother to get married because they realistically believe that they will eventually grow apart. The bond for life isn't life affirming it very well may be life choking.

SamL Level 7 Oct 20, 2017

Another example is the emperor penguin. The last study I read estimated approximately 3% of all known animals on earth practice strict monogamy. Humans don't even practice it very well. See statistics on divorce and adultery.

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I've never been in a relationship, so speaking pretty much as an outsider, I wouldn't recommend it. From what I've seen of relationships, it wasn't what I expected growing up as a kid. Most of the relationships I've seen: one partner doesn't like the family or friends of the other, or doesn't like a huge chunk of the other's life, sometimes they whine at each other as their most common form of communication, they break up and get back together multiple times. I've really only seen 1/10 relationships that I deem to be successful. And that's just between two people. Throw one more into the mix, and I doubt it will work out as intended. It would take some seriously level-headed people who have shed any and all pre-established notions of monogamy implanted by religion, community, family, media, etc. Otherwise, I don't see a good success rate anytime soon in our state of cultural affairs.

Fact is, there's already a good success rate. I'm not one to put much stock into statistics, I believe numbers can most often be used to prove whatever you want. However, the numbers I've seen would point to the fact that poly failure rates are no higher than mono failure rates, and roughly 3% of Americans are successfully living in non-monogamous relationships. 3% may not seem like much, but that's almost 10 million ppl and that's just in the US

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To each their own 🙂 I'm exploring polyamory myself currently. As long as no one is being hurt on purpose then all is good!

I don't know about that. That "on purpose" qualifier is tricky. Like it absolves the "hurter" of any guilt, blame, or responsibility. If two people were woodworking, and one was carrying a wooden beam and accidentally hit the other it would still hurt. And I personally know people who will still seek some form of retribution, even if it's just a quick, "Hey, fucker, watch where you're going." And sometimes that's a healthy thing. There are some people who will bottle it up and lash out when it's least warranted and sometimes inappropriately. So, when it comes to human behavioral and emotional dynamics it's even more complicated by things like distrust and the intangible nature of the predicament. Even if it wasn't Person A's primary intent to hurt Person B, but they know they will with their actions: Does it make it Ok? Is A absolved of any blame or responsibility? Does B still not hurt? Is B not justified in seeking retribution? Would it matter at that point who is justified? I could go on. And if we add more gray area to the mix: Person A will in one way or another have to hurt B (by cheating on them or breaking up). Hurt is never good, justification and intent/purpose aside. Now let's add Person C, too many variables for me. Bars. If anything, your experience in a polyamorous sitch will hepl shed some light.

FuckReligion - I think her point was more along the lines of maintaining open and honest communication with all partners. It still doesn't prevent hurt, nor does it absolve you from all the blame, but one of the most important aspects of polyamory is the ability and willingness to discuss your feelings openly with your partner(s) and respect each others boundaries. If my wife honestly agrees that she is okay with me dating another woman, she may very well feel anger and jealousy if I do. Together we can discus it, reconnect and affirm our love and commitment to each other and hopefully move past it. But let's say she's okay with me dating, as long as I don't sleep with someone else. Making the conscious choice to cross that line is a breach of trust and respect. Hurting her in this way would be purposeful even if not malicious. I would also argue that hurt can lead to healing and growth, so saying it's never good...I can't get on board with that.

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I think honestly is more important than monogamy. Humans are not naturally monogamous, but it is a cultural more mostly likely conceived to reduce conflicts and jealousies within villages in times past. Also, in part as a way of subjugating women, as most of ht etime it is only meant to apply to women.

Monogamy is (or at least was) not culturally universal. Monogamy is a nice romantic idealized notion, that is far from the reality of how humans actually behave.

Humans are animals with instincts, and instinctual drive often overcome intellectual desires, because our reasoning abilities are still relatively new by comparison with the sexual drive, and I have said it elsewhere on this site, but just because (some) humans are capable of rational thought does not make us rational beings. People do stupid things that they know are wrogn all the time. Our instincts which helpe us survive on the savanna, are still operating and come otu as "emotions."

The question of monogamy comes down to how much does your intellect have control over your animal instincts? It is different for everyone, but most people simply are not capable of being monogamous, simply because of the way they are hard wired and they do not have the intellectual control over their instincts well enough to keep such a commitment.

So, although I too night like a monogamous partner/spouse, I don't think that is a realistic expectation. So, insist on honesty. As long as my partner/spouse isnt' keeping secrets from me, I can feel secure about having strong relationship.

Secrets and lies drive wedges between you and honety helps keep you closer together.

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Although we are not biologically monogamous, I am 100% monogamous in a relationship. Extra curricular activities many work for other couples, but not for me. Sex outside of a relationship is always a potential threat to the pair bond. I am not comfortable with it at all. When I am in a relationship, of course I will notice an attractive man. Then I can turn to my partner and make love with him. The sex is much more than a physical pleasure and release. For me it does strengthen the pair bond.

But what about non-sexual romantic relationships?

A romance outside the relationship is a huge threat and it is indicative of something not being right between two people.

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