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There is a problem far bigger than Trump in this country and it is the very reason he is Pres today. Can we PLEASE stop screaming about him and start screaming about stuff that will actually give us a chance in fixing our situation? Our govt is CORRUPT. We are living in an Oligarchy. We are bombing 7 countries. While it may be hard to stomach, we MUST unite with rep voters to resolve these issues. Instead of calling Trump voters names and pushing them away, reach out to them about the things we agree on. The majority of reps want medicare for all. The majority of republicans want a living wage. The majority of republicans know our elections are a sham and while they believe its voter fraud and we believe its voter suppression, we agree they are crooked. If we united on that one thing (elections) alone it would go a long way in getting us actual representation in politics.If elections were legitimate democracy will resolve all the other problems. Our unity is the one weapon the establishment fears (rightly so) and promoting our continued division via Trump bashing only serves the enemy.
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jniece 6 Nov 12
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The blind greed of Wall Street and big businesses infusion of into politics has very nearly destroyed the practice of true democracy in our country.the focus of short term profits against the future needs of a balanced society has destroyed the moral compass of the Republican Party and opened the door for Russian and influence into our once great political system.corruption is the new norm in government and we must swing the balance back to honesty,justice and truth.history will judge Trump and his supporters as harshly as the nazis.

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There is no fixing while he is in the white house... So priorities first ms helper.

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You're funny lol

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I've drawn a line between two conservative factions: normal Republicans and the psychotic Trumpublicans. We can probably work together with normal Republicans but there's no working with the psychotic Trumpublicans and they're the ones who've been in power. They're a disease and they have to go for any hope of normalcy to be re-established.

Hopefully things will start to change in the wake of the midterm shakeup.

"normalcy"? I'm very curious as to how Trump is any more "psychotic" than Obama .I mean, drone assassination, and torture aren't psychotic? How was Obama any better than Ted Bundy or Jim Jones? Obama and Bush dismantled our constitution and murdered and tortured people. Not Trump. It was the first black pres that let the voting rights act go. Not Trump. Obama imprisoned and deported more immigrants than all other pres's combined. Please elaborate.

Trump is not just ignorant of everything he needs to know, he does not care. He has no empathy. Desires only to uplift himself. He really thought he could be a dictator and people would love him for his lies. He believed it would take no work. His family isolated him growing up and cleaned up his messes, not teaching him he needed to learn to do it. Now his money comes from global powers--the ones we would not want to be cozy with. Our allies do not kiss him as his buddies do. He can't have that. His pouty tantrums have him getting away with some destructive things. Thank goodness most have been stopped. The ones he has done are hurting us economically. Hopefully, his supporters will soon see how destructive he is.

@jniece Thank you for that. Your response is a perfect example of how irrational Trumpublicans are. Thank you for making my point for me.

@jniece Also, according to your profile you call yourself a progressive. I can't even begin to explain the cognitive disconnect suggested by a progressive defending Trump. That's like a Xian defending Satan.

@Sgt_Spanky I'm not defending Trump! I can't stand his ass. I'm simply pointing out that nobody gave a crap about the horrendous shit going on in previous admins. The system is the problem and the only reason people are taking notice is because an openly bigoted misogynist is in WH rather than a wolf in sheep's clothing like Obama.

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The people clinging to Trump love what he loves, right be damned: power. That they think a 3 yr old can carry leadership, seems to show that they are also low in intelligence. We must go around them because they have the facts and don't care, like Trump. We must lead and put out structures that build, not tear down. Leaders and judges have to keep blocking Trump's destroying democracy. Dems and Rep must lead. Talk, construct, and lead.

Please explain how Trump is "destroying democracy".

@jniece How about his attack on the free press. Our ONLY gaurdians of democracy. Also he has given the military police powers. The first major step towards fasisum

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The gop starting with newt gingrich have worked very hard at the divide and conger strategy thrown a little fear and loathing couple with the religious right and we get trump.
But that is not the majority as you correctly state. I agree we need to get big money out of our government and we need to come together not just to fight the corporate and wealthy but the racism and bigotry.

unfortunately confronting the racism problem would end any collaboration we hope to achieve on the issues that are important to all of us. The religious and race problems can be dealt with legislatively once we regain control of our govt. For there to be any hope for success we have to stop blaming and shaming the other parties. After all, when it comes right down to it the people are to blame. That includes dems reps inds and libs. So, if we gotta hold our noses and collaborate with some unpleasant people to take back what is ours so be it. It's a small price to pay for the immeasurable amount of good it will bring to the entire world.

@jniece I agree collaboration is the key, what is the key to getting there? We have to define the boundaries all over since the gop and trump took control. Many general operating policies have been thrown out the window. I know it can be done, the Yakima River Basin Water Study Group came to an agreement for water management and the diversity of interested groups at that table was from both ends of the spectrum. No one group lost and no one group won, everyone got a piece of what they were needing. I know one thing, emotions need to go to the back burner what is happening now is not working.

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I'm not American, don't vote very often,don't watch television much and don't classify myself as left or right...so...from a relatively objective position I shall opine.?
Trump seems to be s symptom. Not a cause. There seems no point in complaining about someone who got voted in. You make your bed,you lie in it.
From what I could see, he was the best of a bad bunch. People had no real choice, so voted for change. You need more choice. A two party system doesn't cut it in that respect.

I agree with most of what you say. Though challenge the notion that democracy will solve your problems. Technically that only works if the majority is reasonable and agrees with your reasonable viewpoint. If the majority turn out to be bigoted narrow minded idiots. You're a bit fucked.
Just sayin'.?

The number of bigots in this country are dwindling everyday. It only seems their are many because they are being really noisy right now. The majority of Americans do end up being on the right side of history eventually but it sure is hard waiting for them to be ready for action. In a way the election of Trump has helped speed up that process so maybe he is exactly what dems needed to get going.

Your dumb and nuts. sorry but...

@Casey07 Not much of an argument. Poor spelling.

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A question I will ask is, how do you ensure a politician is free of vice and corruption for their life? How do you do that in a way that is fair and acceptable to all sides? How will we stop the nepotism of appointing whomever to high offices? Sorry, more than "a" question.
I believe that when I complain about something I need to have a solution to present as well.
What solutions do we have to offer?

IMO we need to return to the days when "Lobbying" was a crime called bribery. We gotta get all special interest money out of politics. If we take away the money requirement to get elected then the politicians will do what earns our votes instead of what gets them the most corporate money. We also gotta make sure the laws are enforced and prosecuted. I think we need term limits as well. So ancient career politicians can't spend decades in office gaining powerful connections that keep better ideas out. Anything we want can be done through real representation. That is the key. So the most important step toward that is fair elections. So I say the solution is money out, automatic registration, paper ballots, counting oversight.

No person is going to be perfect and free of "wrongs." If foiables don't hinder leading, then put it aside and support that person.

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Support local corruption laws. Take money out of government.

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Very truejniece. We must begin somewhere. Maybe a big opportunity since taking over the House. But we must be wary of the Democratic leadership too. Many opportunities to stop the bombing by our criminal Saudi friends in Yemem How many Democrats are complicit in that savage campaign?

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Diplomacy stated here ⬆

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I agree, we need to find unity and understanding. What’s happening now will never serve us

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He IS the corruption! We must never stop bashing him...we must watch him like a hawk and never let our guard down. There is SO much more we should be doing as well...I agree. WE THE PEOPLE have way more power than we use..he should be gone now. People fly across the damn country to join 60 thousand others for a damn baseball game but we don't gather in unison to take this demon down

Xena Level 6 Nov 12, 2018

bashing Trump only helps to undermine our ability to unite with the Trump voters on what we have in common. Clinton was corruption as well.The entire establishment is corrupt! You wanna bash something bash ALL corruption not Trump.

Well said!

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The representatives and senators had many chances to stand up to 45 and very few did. The country made the change at midterms. We’ll see what the next two years hold.. I’m sure it’s going to be messy.

What "change" was made in mid-terms? I saw same old crap here in California. Nearly all establishment politicians retained there seats here.

@jniece What about Orange County. Your like Trump, you say things with no reguard for facts.

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Sadly, greatness is behind us, There isn't going to be any more Washington, Lincoln, or FDR to look forward to.

Isn't that up to us? Bernie was just like FDR. That's why they stole it from him. And they got away with it because we let them. Shameful. We've been a generation of jellyfish. We get the candidate we deserve.

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Politicians will always be corrupt, they seek power like moths to a flame. The political perspective is the same as it was 100 years ago or 1000 years ago or 10000 years ago. The monetary elite run the country, all our choices will ever be is the lesser of two evils.

All politicians? I disagree. Most. But not all. Your right about the elite controlling everything but guess whose job it is to fix that? Yours and mine. The people terrified FDR, Johnson, and Nixon into social security, civil rights, and peace. Nixon was afraid the people were gonna break through the fence and get him in the WH! The system is upside down now. The people shouldn't fear the govt. The govt is supposed to fear the people and we been wussies far too long.

@jniece Just a couple of questions to get your opinion and perhaps a differing view, I'm not trying to start an argument.
Why do politicians seek office if not for the power the office provides? Even if they have good intentions to use that power wisely (to help the common person) do they still not seek power in order to effect change?

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