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ARISTOTLE WAS WRONG: STORY AND THE MIND

magicwatch 7 Nov 12
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The video is excellent. I have my reservations about some of the things said but it was well thought out and produced. Like #fernapple I don't think Plato's anti-art had anything to do with Fascism. The fascist relied on their misreading of Nietzsche. Unlike #fernapple I don't necessarily see a problem with myth...although it may affect those who want to believe, perhaps in a way that resembles the die hard followers of Trump.

It is the problem with reality that convinces Plato to exile most all artists. He thought of most art as the copy of a copy of an idea (which for him made them liars). The problem has to do with representation. The video accepts Plato's view of representation as our internal view of an external world/reality (as do most other historical thinkers with the notable exceptions of monists such as Parmenides, Bishop Barkley, Deleuze, and Speculative Realists in general). For these thinkers the world/reality is one, and all our representations of it are a simulacrum, the basic reality of the world is a simulacrum which functions as our material connection with the world, and their basic questions have to do with the basis or conditions that make such simulacrum possible.

cava Level 7 Nov 13, 2018

Ironically most of us would now think of Platos forms as being but themselves a work of Platos art.

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The video does not however mention the great danger in the arts, especially story telling, which is that an artist can adjust our dreams by quite deliberately pushing our biggest emotional buttons. And when that is combined with the fact that an artist can create a totally false universe within the story, which though it may be self consistent does not match with reality, or at least with the input we get from the none artistic world, it becomes very dangerous. To use the videos "tiger" as an example, supposing a village story teller told all the children that the village hunters had killed all the tigers in the forest, when they had not, and dressed that story with all the story tellers skill and dramatic license, until the children were enthralled. You can see the problem.

This is why books like the bible are so good at making evil in the world, while seeming to be so good to many people. And the greatest threat to truth, wisdom, and understanding has always been the huge volume of received folly we get from our cultures. I do not wish to go down Plato's route, but have to point out the big glaring error in the video, which is when the narrator equates fascism with anti-art, in fact most dictatorships and fascist movements are among the heaviest investors in the arts, (Stalin spent vast sums, Hitler was an artist and collector who spent and stole even more.) exactly because they know that the arts are the best way to distort the peoples world view. Especially because the arts in order to self promote tend to create the idea of "artistic truth", which is falsely claimed to be on a higher or even "spiritual" (Yuck) level than other truths, and this so called source of truth can be used by dictators and equated with their lies quite easily, exactly because of course it has no connection to objective truth, which the pro-arts lobby often make clear they despise. And of course since the mid - twentieth century the arts world has been very busy trying to distance itself from its involvement with those evil powers, making the small number of artists who did not take the dictators silver, into secular saints and declaring those who did to be false artists, (As though there could be false and true if you believe in the artistic none objective truth, a clear case of trying to have it both ways.) But the religious belief in artistic truth must be protected at all cost, until it can be sold again, perhaps even to be used again by people of evil intent. Do not get me wrong , I do love the arts and think that they enrich the world and my life greatly, I am not anti-art, just opposed to the widespread idea that they can be a source of truth. It is no accident that the word "story" is sometimes used as a synonym for "lie".

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