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What's a Basal Breed?
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Qualia 8 Nov 19
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Interesting, but on the whole I do not approve of pure bred dog breeding. To take an animal as wonderful and capable of so much as a dog, and to think of nothing better to do with it than to genetically disable it and repeatedly inbreed it, merely for ornamental fancy, seems to me to be a failure of taste and understanding easily equal to that needed for joining a sky daddy religious cult.

If you think purebred dogs are nothing more than ornament are only inbred you know very little about animal husbandry as a whole. Mankind has been stewarding the propagation of purebred animals of all kinds for thousands of years.

If there's any question about indoctrination going on it would be those who believe the only animals that should exist be left to their own devices to propagate at will owned by idiots and recycled into the "retail rescue" business.

@Qualia No I do not think that any dog is just a pure ornament, quite the contrary. That is why I think that the motivation to breed just for ornament is so immoral and so short of good taste. Many breeds suffer from terrible genetic failings, often crippled by hip and spinal failings, or breathing difficulties, and in many cases with much reduced life spans. If someone took an iron bar and beat a dog so badly that it could not walk properly, had difficulty breathing for the rest of its life and died young, they would be brought before the law. Why therefore are breeders able to do it and get away with it? I have no problem with careful selective breeding, but I do think that animal legislation should include the right of any animal not to be forced into incest just for human amusement.

@Fernapple Well we agree on selective careful breeding. This is why the hobby breeder, who are mindful of what animals are used in their lines via pedigree knowledge and genetic testing, aren't the enemy.
The people I associate with don't let animals go without screening potential homes, require contracts and right of first refusal and back their animals no matter what, because life happens. When someone skirts the contract and dumps their animal in a shelter or rescue their names are set on fire and put on do not sell lists everywhere.

Consider this; there are bad in every segment of society. There are horrid awful breeders, and there are awful disgusting "rescues" and AR nuts who have figured out a way to profit by pulling at the heart strings of people who don't know better.
I would no sooner defend a bad breeder than smear a rescue of high ethic. Wherever a person gets an animal one should do their diligence.

But I am damned weary of reading about how evil breeders are, because they most certainly aren't all by any stretch. A good breeder keeps animals out of shelters in the first place by being able to be very selective about where their blood sweat and tears go. The best of them become extended family.

Genetics matter. One is no sooner going to train a borzoi to do police bitework than is a clydesdale going to win the kentucky derby.

@Fernapple Anyway, my beloved breed is less than 150 years old and is already badly bottle necked. I'm forever taking note of "unicorns" in a pedigree. So good husbandry issues are very important to me and that the above breeds are so diverse is interesting to me and anyone into the genetics of dogs.
The Purebred dog FB page is an awesome resource to learn about the history of various breeds.

@Qualia Well you obviously care about dogs, which is the main thing, and I know that most good breeders, as you say, do care. So I guess that we will have to agree to differ. But I will add that it is not only bad and evil people who cause harm, far more pain and suffering is caused in the world especially to the weak and voiceless, by good intentioned even loving people who act insensitively unintellegently. The world is full of people who love their dogs yet are unthinkingly happy to leave them bored and lonely for hours on end every day, and breeding is not immune from such problems either. I hate legeslation, yet I do think that dog owning should require a licence and the passing of a test at least as strongly set as a driving test. And that at least the deliberate breeding of many fancy breeds especially those of extremely large or small sizes which puts strains on the dogs anatomy should be banned.

@motrubl4u No I am well aware of that and think it a very good thing. I just do not like the whole showing business especially, for much the same reason that some feminists do not like beauty contests. I think that intelegent socail animals deserve more respect, and should be valued for better things.

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