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What is your personal opinion on the meaning of live from an agnostic point of view?

Melissa 2 Oct 26
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Life is beautiful. I try to be positive and enjoy it as much as possible. I used to live in guilt and obsessed with the afterlife because that was what religion has taught me. Atheism set me free and gives new perspective to live my life for the better. We don't deserve to be a slave of an imaginary being, we deserve a better life, a freedom to be a better person. This is why I love The Netherlands, I can be free from religion and not afraid of being persecuted in this beautiful land.

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It all depends from what you have substituted God with.

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From my atheist point of view , what is the meaning of the meaning of life!? It is just made up things like religions We are social species who like to think play work and learn! Our job for ourselves is just to live this life (survive) as it is so beautiful natural way without being irreëel. Everyone has a dream we LOVE dreaming we can't live without it but becareful let your dreams be simple and realistic even if they are not realistic we still enjoy thinking about them we like to live happy but we need to accept sadness and pain as a natural part of life and sometimes we i think about this way when am sad i don't feel sad anymore or i just get energy to continue my life because these things are just normal.

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The logical objective universal meaning and purpose of life?

That's a very interesting one.
In short the answer is energy transfer. The most efficient form of collecting, storing, transforming and transferring energy from one form to another.

I've researched this topic extensively for the last 10 years and I came to this very basic conclusion about 5 years ago. I have composed a 10+ page document explaining the processes and working out however it needs to be edited.

It has only just become possible for people to re-discover the meaning and purpose of life due to the specific conditions and access to knowledge becoming available and accessible.

However if you really want to know how to apply the meaning and purpose of life, that's something that is quite morally taxing.

I don't see Life as the most efficient way to collect energy, for most of the energy collected by life forms ends up wasted, especially in the animal kingdom, through motion.
Storing energy? A black hole is the most efficient way to store energy, infinitely more efficient at that than any living being, at least the ones we can readily thing about now.
As for the other two, transforming energy is usually a process plagued by wastage in form of heat and living beings are not very efficient in that either, again especially animals. Transferring energy just sounds like another way of saying transforming energy.

@Algernon
Transferring energy from one body to another. Black holes can't do that. That's why life forms exist.

Yes a lot of energy is wasted. That's the way entropy works.

@Lancer, in the long term black holes are the best known way for the Universe to save energy. Have you ever heard that they evaporate although extremely slowly?

@Algernon
I have not heard that before. I'll look into it sometime.
As for transference, black holes still can't facilitate that function.
I'm not saying you're wrong. But I need to find out more before I can publish the finished meaning and purpose of life.

I would be very interested to read those 10 pages of yours because I've got perhaps a similar theory on energy although the conclusions seems to be quite opposite to yours.

@Algernon
It's a work in progress because most of it was written 5 years ago and I've been reading through it like "Did I really write that?"

@Lancer haha, I know the feeling. Then tell me about your theory in here.

@Lancer you must have been very mature for your age because, let's see: you're now 19 y/o minus 5 = 14 y/o. Elaborating a theory on energy is not the usual stuff for a 14 y/o boy. My boy is that age and he only plays video games, alas!

@Algernon
I played a lot of video games too. Funnily enough I just deleted every single game off my computer today to prepare for my upcoming exams.

I was always a little odd as a kid, I used to take long walks and deconstruct ideas around topics like war, poverty, suffering, politics, etc. I also passed the time by protecting other kids from bullies, helping them to tie their shoes or getting their soccer balls out of trees. I was a bit of an all-round helper.

When I was little my dream was to help everyone in the world. When I was 12 I came up with a solution to the Australia Asylum seekers problem that my dad said was so obvious he was surprised none of the politicians hadn't figured it out. It would have secured them the majority of votes in the next election. I sent it in to my state government as a proposal with my dad's help. He even sent it to a senator who was our friend. But nothing was done. Because the politicians don't want to actually try do something different because they think if it fail they'll lose their pension. Sad really.

As I grow older, the more I start to realize how average everyone else is. I'm not smart, trust me my sister is much more intelligent. But I work hard to try and make up for my weaknesses.

I'll try remember to send you the finished document when I work on it over the summer holidays. If I forget, jut ask me. I'm in the conservative atheists group.

@Lancer thanks, I'll remind you. What was your proposal for the refugees crisis? I'm curious.

@Algernon
Basically to begin constructing a sustainable community for refugees. First stage would be to begin constructing accommodation, increasing water treatment plant capacity, power plant output capacity, etc. for a town near-by a fresh water source. This would require skilled labor which would employ thousands of Australian workers. Great for working class voters.

Basically build a city capable of housing large numbers of refugees. They could work on farms to produce their food, work in factories to produce basic things like clothes, food, etc. Build hospitals, shops, etc.

Once the initial stage was complete. Then it would be possible to accept more and more every year. However do not allow anyone to leave the city unless they are screened properly and deemed to be safe. After living in the community for a minimum of 5 years, the ones who learn English, work hard and want to go to an Australian city to complete their further education.

This allows the refugees to have a safer future and also allows the Australians to stay safe since in the event of a "terrorist" getting into the country. They would not be able to make it to a major city to kill Australians as easily as they are now.

The genuine refugees would be happy with food, water, shelter, work, etc. They wouldn't want to learn English anyway, they'd be happy enough with their new life in the special region city.

@Lancer, your idea has the best intentions but is based on a fallacy, that is awarding people who don't deserve to have all those nice thing they are sometime demanding from us with arrogance instead of accepting that they are not welcome in our communities.

@Algernon
I understand. Truth be told, I'd prefer the government to spend the money on their own citizens in the middle working class to help them live better lives. But in this PC world, if we don't give free money to illegal refugees then somehow we are killing them. If we don't feed them we are causing starvation, if we don't give them water we are the cause of their drought. It's madness.

It was just because I understand that for some reason Australia has committed to taking in many thousands of refugees. I can't stop that, but I can reduce the risk to the public by isolating them in their own community.

@Lancer unfortunately, on my opinion, it's too late for any middle ground solution. We need a drastic solution otherwise it's not gonna be a solution at all. We are squandering money and resources on a multitude of third world dwellers who are not contributing to the human progress at all and actually they are a ballast on our progress. We'll be in Mars by now without them perhaps. The same for the many whites who are not worthy of reproducing themselves.

@Algernon
To be honest. I agree with you. I suggested that solution 9-10 years ago because it was possible to mitigate the effects back then. But now... it's too late.

I'm not saying we should deport everyone. but illegally invading a country is a bit problem as far as I'm concerned. Not all are bad but we have a huge number of African and middle eastern refugees who just refuse to integrate and they just scrounge off the Australian social welfare system. My primary teacher was a black man from Zimbabwe. He was my favourite teacher of all time. But he was an outstanding person. Legally migrated, worked hard to support his family, paid his taxes and he took it upon himself to help kids like me who were struggling both socially and academically at a young age. We need men and women like that, but the ones who run around destroying property and stuff like that, we need to deport them.

@Lancer of course there are a few blacks who are better than most whites but on average blacks are worse than whites, at least on IQ and general intelligence. The problem now is not just illegals and refugees but mainly legal immigrants.

@Algernon
Very true. Australia is constantly taking in refugees who we can't afford to take care of.

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we are still trying to find out whats life

Not really.

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