Next time a Christian claims that you can't prove their god doesn't exist, don't fall for it, point out that their god is a square circle.
Smart guy. I liked the first part. Negatives are easily proven. Yes, you have to define the thing you are going to prove or disprove. That brought us to the second part of the video, and I am not persuaded. The definitions of God offered are not valid IMO. The ensuing “proof” is only a proof that the definitions are invalid. The argument is only an argument against the traditional myths and dogma of the Bible.
As I have said before, it is easy to prove that the moon is not made of cheese. Whether the moon exists or not is a different question.
A proof is only a persuasion and there is absolutely no “burden” of proof. It is, in fact, impossible for anyone to prove anything to another person. We can point toward evidence and we can demonstrate logical analysis. The other person, if open-minded, might examine that evidence and go through the analysis and eventually become persuaded to some degree of certainty. If he does though, it will be his own doings and not ours.
Maybe omnipotence just means the ability to influence events in the physical realm. Certainly events are influenced totally by natural laws. And really, conscious thought does shape the future.
Maybe omnipresence is a way of saying that space as we perceive it is an illusion and that everything is conjoined—non-local. Scientists are saying the same thing.
Omniscience? Maybe that means complete knowledge of everything in the physical realm—not such a far-fetched idea under the concept of universal consciousness.
So far as “God” being benevolent, nature/god doesn’t give a rat’s ass about whether a baby is born with cancer. Human bodies are a dime a dozen. Every girl is born with a million human eggs, and obviously they need not all become happy, successful people. We are not our bodies.
Benevolence is to be found in Ultimate Reality, of which we are extensions.
@maturin1919 Corn. Bread. And. Turnip.
Greens.
I don’t do that.
Never have except a few joints long ago, and I only inhaled on one occasion. It was legal at the time under state law.
Why do you ask? Do you disagree with what I wrote?
@maturin1919 I was taking a climbing class. A group of us would sit around in a tent at night and joints would be passed around. I mistakenly thought that to fit in I’d have to take part so I pretended to be smoking. I have fear and aversion to sucking smoke into my lungs. I observed that a very popular woman always said “no thanks” so I started saying that too. Much better to be courageous enough to be yourself IMO.
I grew up in a very rural place and had never heard of pot until I was in my twenties. Also I was raised by strict Baptists who didn’t smoke or drink. As a result I’m sort of a proper person. The penalty for even possession of pot in AL is dire!
I take it that you are not so prim & proper. Do weed, LSD, etc Help you? Can you describe your experiences in that regard? I’ve read a little about it but am way too fearful to try.
If you give a self contradictory definition then the question itself does not make sense. (welcome to Ignosticism baby)
If you give an (at least) internal coherent definition then you can say at maximum that it practically impossible and this work practically means that for any useful purpose.
A lot of negatives can be proven, but the negative about existence cannot be proven, it is a detail of a detail of a detail.
So IF consistent definition, IF not limited in an area, time or any conditions, and IF the question is about existence, then it is phylosophically impossible.
The question about the spoon is forcing a definition, omnipotence is simply be able to do everything that exists, a spoon with infinite mass (so cannot be moved) is something that can't exist. Or you can even say that omnipotence have the power to limit itself at will.
This logical jumps doesn't mean in anyway that god exists, it is just that those definitions are much more specific that the video treats.
The video shows the ignostic view... "As there is no internally coherent definition, the question does not even make sense, so it is useless to try to answer"
Not so much a square circle as a non-falsifiable hypothesis. Such hypotheses inherently can't be evidenced OR debunked. Hence, agnosticism (the position that no knowledge is obtainable on the topic) and atheism (the position that there is no way to form a supportable belief concerning the topic).
Sorry but it is obvisous there are no gods! They can't prove any god exsists because so much proof it does not!