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In Australia what is traditionally called 'Scripture classes', formally called Special Religious Education, is taught in public schools unless students' parents opt out. The alternative is to sit out of class or, if it is offered, a discussion of ethics (non religious). Special Religious Education (SRE) is taught by those approved by the churches they represent. They teach the Bible in accordance with their respective doctrinal positions. This has been the case since 1870. Before then, there was no state education; schools were run exclusively by churches and were not compulsory. SRE was compensation to the churches when they ceded educational responsibility to the state. There are still private Church schools, but in the public state schools SRE is taught.

Both of the main political parties, left and right, currently support this in the state of NSW, where I live. However, the move for having this provision removed is growing.
Some advocates claim that even atheists and agnostics should have a rudimentary knowledge of Christianity, the usual religion taught, because it has shaped so much of Western thinking and culture.

But surely that can be done by the normal teachers and the subject can be part of history or cultural studies. SRE is taught by those seeking the conversion of students, not merely to inform them.

Are any here involved in campaigns to have such a provision in state schools removed? Do any here deal with similar provisions outside of Australia? What is your take on the system I've outlined here.

Doubting 6 Jan 26
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Some US states have this, it is known here as "release-time classes". It has to be off-campus as well as opt-in. And I've never seen a secular alternative offered to those who opt out.

I'm sorry to say that in the long ago, before I was an unbeliever, I maintained the fund accounting software for one of the many organization that provides lesson materials and support for such classes. In fact I even taught one myself when I was a senior in high school.

I totally agree there's something to be said for religion as part of history, art, and cultural studies; given the massive influence of religion through history, even unbelieving students shouldn't be ignorant of its influences. And I agree that proselytizing under the auspices of the state is a total perversion of that.

In the US of course comparative or historic religion classes will never happen, precisely because so many entrenched forces would have a heart attack about the mere suggesting that their pet religion is nothing more or less than another social and cultural influencer, and a waning one at that. If you're a Christian fundamentalist and such a class isn't taught and controlled by you with total veto over the curriculum, you would not support it.

I'm given to understand the in the UK such classes ARE held, theoretically neutral but in practice have tended to be slanted to the Church of England's views.

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I understand your flustration . When I was in middle school, they had to put a disclaimer about evolution in the book. Only a theory...

If they have to learn the bible, show them the MANY vary different versions of it. Or even how the bible contridicts itself. Compare the bible account to any of the historical records. There was a King David. Enslaved Jews does not appear outside the bible in ancient Egypt. The Romans kept track of every little thing. No mention of them putting a hit on Jeebus. That would be significant in the annals. Two different creation stories right off the bat... Too much shit to mention.

Educate them yourself, and tell them to ask the teacher about how whatever happened.

A few years ago Sweden made it illegal to teach religion as truth.

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