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Medical costs in America are so ridiculous that I just had a level 2 trauma walk into my ER. This is so horrible.

LadyAlyxandrea 8 Feb 28
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I don't understand what point you are trying to make. What does the fact that you had a level 2 trauma walk into the ER have to do with health care costs? The level 2 trauma person didn't cause the high costs, which is what your initial statement implies. Do you want us to comment on high health care costs? Do you want us to talk about how to minimize the need for emergency health care? Tell us what your point IS and we can respond to it.

Okay first of all, I don't appreciate the tone your writing has.

Secondly he CHOSE to walk two miles while dying because the cost of an ambulance is ridiculous. Everyone else understood the correlation which maybe you'd have grasped if you read other comments.

The point of the entire comment, that everyone else got, is that the cost of healthcare is so high that people would rather die than access the care they need.

I don't understand why you had to comment as if YOU are being personally attacked, but I don't appreciate it.

@LadyAlyxandrea I apologize for taking too hostile a tone in my response. But in the posting I read (above), there was no mention of walking in vs. taking an ambulance, so I didn't realize that there was any choice here. Where did I miss the statement that said he should have taken an ambulance? Also, I have no idea what a level 2 trauma is, so it was hard to grasp the implications of that statement.

@citronella I should have been clearer. It is hard for me to remember not everyone speaks emergency room.

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So glad that I live in the UK.

Medical care is (mostly) free at the point of entry. The exceptions being dental and eye care - but they are free for certain groups including children, pregnant women and some illnesses and disabilities.

We pay 12% of income in addition to our income tax for the privilege, but it's worth every penny.

Will you marry me so I can move up there lol

Too old and already married - and if you remember, I fail on every count!!!!

However, well trained health service personnel are in short supply in the UK - apply for job and move over here - no need for an old bloke to marry you then. 😉

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Greedy politicians, insurance companies,and big pharmaceutical companies are the main reasons,I used to be a pharmacy tech and it was very depressing so I decided to get out of the medical professions.

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Least effective, most expensive health care system in the developed world. It's a national disgrace.

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One of my favorites was watching our lobby camera and seeing a bunch of young kids come in late (after 01:30 there's no longer a person out front and you have to dial a phone for us to come get you) and one of them sat on the desk holding his side while his friend called. It was because he had been shot, of course. All the best traumas walk in for us. We're right near Boston, so EMS takes any good traumas they get called to straight to Mass General or one of the other five level one centers.

I work in a level 3 trauma center and we are very rural. Technically in a city, but mostly farmers and stuff. So there's literally 40 or 50 miles to the next hospital. When a trauma walks into our e.r. it's surprising because we are a good couple miles from anything.

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I took a taxi to the ER when I had my heart attack. Was in the hospital for 2 weeks because I had to have quadruple bypass. My sister still bitches at me for that one.

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I have a feeling that things in the UK have changed since we were last there, but back in 2012 we were touring in England (on Australian passports), and my wife twice experienced severe asthma attacks. We went to A&E (as they call it there — accident and emergency) at a hospital in Lancashire, where she was treated and discharged later the same day. About a week later it happened again in Yorkshire. This time she was admitted overnight and discharged next day with some medication. How much did all this cost us? NOTHING! (In fact, if you consider the fact that she got a couple of free meals, less than nothing. Well, there was probably a car park fee.) And if you're thinking travel insurance — we had it, but didn't need it.

You would think a country built by the people FOR the people would actually care about the people but here our vets get worse treatment than anyone, and I've watched wealthy people go bankrupt. It's harsh.

Our (British) NHS is something to be proud of. Additional to income tax we pay National Insurance at 12% of income. This goes towards the NHS and other social benefits. Would you guys pay extra for free healthcare? Not that you'd get it though as private companies will not release their grip on your healthcare system, unfortunately we're heading for the same system if certain tyrants get their way.

The simple principle behind our NHS is that everyone contributes according to their means so everyone, especially the poor & needy, benefit from free treatment. Implemented by a post-war socialist government. Can't see that taking off in the US somehow. With a bit of luck we'll have another UK socialist government soon to help redress our recent slide towards a grasping and uncaring society.

@alangodless @smoyle @LadyAlyxandrea That's what the U.S. doesn't get. Everyone contributes via their taxes for health care so that everyone is covered.

In the case of the Affordable Care Act, their taxes went to subsidise the health care industry, which wasn't ideal - because, you know, the private health insurers just took advantage of it. But it still worked - as a first step.

EDIT: I believe that the U.S. will get there. There's been many accounts now of anti-Affordable-Care-Act people who, when they got sick, realised they were on ACA (and was grateful) or that they weren't (and they were stuffed).

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So, glad I live in Canada where the discussion is now on how do we implement universal pharma-care.

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I know the treatment I get is like night and day between when I had no insurance to now having excellent insurance. Not just the medical treatment I receive but the way I am treated as a human being. I know what it is like to need care and not be able to get it due to a lack of coverage. I feel for that level 2 person coming in on foot and they are right, an abulance ride is horribly expensive.

When I had no insurance I was treated like a drug seeker, despite my pleas that I simply wanted fixed. It was like I was invisible. No specialists would see me at all, and it caused major problems. When I got insurance suddenly everyone was my friend. It disgusts me.

@LadyAlyxandrea You are exactly right. If you don't have insurance they don't care how sick you are. Even with laws supposed to protect you they turn you out. Even with insurance how many kids were sent hime with flue from the hospital only to die within hours or days of release this winter? Insurance companies are so busy watching the bottom line they force early release and I believe that caused those deaths.

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It's very sad but very true. I've had friends in accidents and the only thing on their mind was don't call an ambulance. My friend had to start a gofundme for cancer screenings, and the list just goes on and on. It infuriates me when I hear (usually wealthy) people talk about how awful socialized medicine is. Their response is "They'll never refuse treatment because you're poor, so its fine." until the debt makes your life unlivable. =( I'm sorry that you had this experience, and I imagine it's way more frequent than any of us would like it to be.

Unfortunately I'm in that persons shoes myself. Because of my disability I've racked up so much medical debt I've had to file bankruptcy. I've constantly wondered how my life would be in a country like Canada, but alas I am too poor from medical debt to even immigrate elsewhere to seek better medical care.

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I normally would not have any comment to make having never been over there.
But one of my jobs to day was to help an older lady complete travel insurance claim forms for when she got bronchitis while on a trip in the states.
A single visit to an emergency service which wrote her 2 prescriptions and considered giving her some tests, though she was there for some hours, $1,699 USD. Here if you are on a low income, it is free, her scripts that were close to $100 USD would have cost her $12 total here.
An office visit to my eye surgion costs me $300 for the first but only $85 after that, I don't have private cover. Tomorrow I have to see a GP, I don't know what that will cost, but I expect about $60 or free if the receptionist likes me and bills the government. Simple Xrays and blood tests can be free.

The main reason I think Americans are against it is they think that it truly costs 3000 dollars for an MRI but the medical field has hiked prices so high here that it's unbelievable. People don't understand that they don't actually cost as much as they're charged. I'm currently in a battle with my insurance company and a pharmaceutical company because I need a special medicine that they're charging 1500 usd for that costs 2 usd to make. Then the pharmaceutical company says "but we have to cover overhead and production!" Yet their CEO just gave himself a 300 thousand dollar raise.

I'm sorry but no one works hard enough to deserve 15 thousand dollars an hour.

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Don't sounds good. I reckon that walk in instead of being brought by ambulance? There are a lot of negative things in america health care... I used to work in a group health insurance comm center and try to explain why the insurance paid so little in their claim to someone still not capable of going back to work. Companies buys the Cheapest cost coverage they can find. Insurance are not better or different than a used car salesman and really companies do not want to help at all their employees.

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I possibly severely damaged both my ankles in the late 80's here in portland oregon....I will never know how severely, because they told me I had to leave the emergency room area because I didn't have insurance...a doctor actually chose to sneak out and give me some wrapping for my ankle which was hugely swollen to the point of splitting the skin...he felt horrible. I know stories that were worse....I also took a nasty stab to my hand a few months later...my friends forced me to go to the emergency room because I was a little too drunk to sew it up myself...plus there might have been a half hit of acid involved...hehe....the doctors sewed me up, told me my name was john smith if anybody asked....and sent me on my way....very nice people, those doctors...

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Just today I was talking with a friend about the Indian nations in Oklahoma and mentioned the tribes provide full & complete health care for the tribe and never send a bill. No deductibles, no co-pays. He was caught by surprise and his reaction was almost funny. He is pretty liberal, and he was stuttering and stumbling to grasp that. It was like he'd just seen his first unicorn.

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