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We need to end Capitalism...

By Allamanda8
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OK, replace it with ?

zesty Level 7 Apr 11, 2019
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Just fear mongering IMO. Capitalism is basically nothing but trading. For those fearful of CO2 caused climate change you can rest easy. A radical new energy source is now available, and it will soon be spread world-wide through trading, or capitalism if you prefer.

I don't think trading is what is meant - it's government mandated and enabled profiteering that comes to mind, and the cost of the resources and costs of damage mitigation, destruction or disposal never coming into the equation

@TheAstroChuck I agree that it will take time for full implementation. Just think where we would be now if in ‘89 the world had leapt in and embraced the new findings. With one percent of the funding given hot fusion development amazing progress might have been made and today there’d be no burning of carbon.

Maybe we’ll soon find out just where we are with LENR. I am generally over-optimistic—don’t let it bother you. smile001.gif

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funny they always show the hot summers with trees burning. we just had 1 of the coldest winters on record in large parts of N. america & they even had snow at the lowest elevations ever in hawaii. how come no photos of those scenes?

I guess fire is scarier?

@Allamanda
Fire & Ice-- Robert Frost:

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

thought i would share one of my fav poems.

@TheAstroChuck yes, funny peculiar, not funny haha

@TheAstroChuck ah I didn't read it that way... perhaps you are right

@Allamanda ,
they have it covered both ways. whether it gets colder or warmer it's climate change.
so, it's been going on for 4 billion yrs. it always amazes me how gullible people are.

@callmedubious sorry not following you at all

@TheAstroChuck ,
you are truly an educated idiot.

@Allamanda ,
then you are clueless.

Well it certainly isn't that way in the UK, winters are getting warmer here. I guess Global Warming is local, eh?
[telegraph.co.uk]

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What if we were truly able to discern the difference between what we want and what we need? I might want a Corvette but I'll never, ever, meet someone who needs one. Instead of trying to develop new energy sources, let's be responsible with what we already have. Maybe there's a starting place in this, somewhere? Unfettered Capitalism is a disaster in progress!

yes, and while it's true that all household appliances for instance use 1/6 or less of what they used in our parent's homes, there are so many people now, and so many countries are developed to that level, it simply can't share round to give everyone a decent standard of living - unless we accept we are using resources to excess, and that we are not entitled to.

@Allamanda Yup. The greatest source of energy is in the conservation of it, not in the development of new sources. I think everyone needs to read 'Pan's Travail' by Donald Hughes (I think that's the name). He discusses how we waste energy when it becomes easily consumed, relatively cheap, and easy to replace.

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......or capitalism will end us.
It is not so much capitalism, but consumerism that is killing us. We must stop making throw away shit.

powder Level 8 Mar 23, 2019

yes I also don't think he used the best term, but I suppose it can mean many things, and we need some new terms!

The way I see it, is that consumerism is the fuel for capitalism, driven by elitism and competition.
'I've got to have the latest <insert product> otherwise I will look like a failure.'

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That is just wishful thinking.
People have been trying to end capitalism for more than hundred years, but it is alive and kicking.

Matias Level 8 Mar 23, 2019

they never had this immediate an incentive though

@TheAstroChuck afraid you are right but not giving up!

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Unfortunately, it is probably going to have to take the whole older generation dying off before the prevailing attitudes change, and by then, it will probably be way to late.

THHA Level 7 Mar 23, 2019

yes it would be too late, but will they have a choice? Surely some older people can see the writing isn't just on the wall...

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