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Happiness has proved elusive. By any conceivable measure of what we call the "good life", we are better off than any previous generation. We are more affluent. We have more choices. We can travel further and more easily. We have more access to education and information. We are healthier and we live longer.

But if we look at self-reported life satisfaction (a.k.a. "happiness" ) , we are no happier than people were two generations ago. In some respects our lack of happiness is palpable. We take more anti-depressants. More people suffer from stress-related syndromes. We are less optimistic than our parents or grand-parents used to be. We no longer think the next generation(s) will have better lives - on the contrary. There has been a palpable breakdown of trust ("social capital" ).

Is the American Way of Life ultimately just a dead end?
Have we been led astray by a mirage?

Matias 8 May 30
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During the 18th & 19th centuries, 'The Good' with all its theocratic over tones became 'the goods' of a consumer driven society. The utilitarianism master principal: "it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong." reshaped the world in its 'scientific' approach to measure happiness, which has seriously messed western civilization up. Sickness became part of an economic model, as in not available to work, and not in terms of suffering. The reliance on scientific measure smoothed out particulars in favor of universals. Mental capital became a reality in western culture and it led to a toxic and cruel positivity, with its piles self help books. Psychoanalysis became measurable with the introduction of CBT, and Freud was dropped in favor of chemical imbalances [big pharma's role in DSM].

cava Level 7 May 31, 2019
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I tend to value contentment over happiness. This is mostly a function of noticing and appreciating what you have rather than what you don't. Also, understanding that a lot of the bright shiny objects that we seek, are illusory or not at all lasting.

Some of those "bright shiny objects" seem really compelling because you imagine them as you wish they were, but in reality, they aren't that great or are entirely without substance to begin with. When I was young, I was an incurable romantic, always dreaming of endless perfect love, free of conflict or disappointment or confusion. Yeah right, the kind of love that doesn't actually exist except once in a great while by dumb luck and for a short time. But we keep seeking it, regarding it as the brass ring we are after at all costs. We cast off perfectly fine relationships because they don't meet that standard of perfection.

It wasn't until I was willing to cohabit with an actual human, warts and all, that I got ANY of the benefits of a long term relationship. Part of that was realizing I wasn't entitled to be happy and catered to in that way. A lot of our ambitions in life are based around a sense of entitlement rather than any realistic expectation.

If I hadn't done that I would be one bitter old man, because I've had way more unwanted drama than I would have preferred, way less sex, way more speed bumps and buzz kills and frustrations than my privileged youthful self considered my birthright. In short, I'd be "unhappy".

As it is, I'm enjoying that I'm not out in the rain, have my bills paid, am doing work I enjoy, have a family who loves me "anyway" and who I love "anyway". I'm not paying much attention to my aches and pains and anxieties or disappointments or sorrows because WTF would that accomplish? This is contentment.

One commentator I read spoke concerning the Danish and their status as generally the "happiest country" but said as a small country of modest means and ambitions, they are really not so much happy as secure and content. They have no major worries, minimal class conflicts, everyone feels respected and their highest ambition is "hygge", a cozy and comfortable home environment. Maybe that is something to emulate rather than the zero-sum game we always seem to be playing in the US and much of the West, of besting our neighbors in terms of status and wealth.

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Happiness is from inside you! "Chasing" it leads to sadness & frustration, always has, always will

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This discussion makes me think of a recent TED Interview with David Brooks about his new book, The Second Mountain. In it he offers his definitions of -- and contrasts between -- happiness and joy. "“Happiness comes from accomplishments; joy comes from offering gifts. Happiness fades; we get used to the things that used to make us happy. Joy doesn’t fade. To live with joy is to live with wonder, gratitude and hope. People who are on the second mountain have been transformed. They are deeply committed. The outpouring of love has become a steady force.”

I think the "gifts" can really be as modest as giving attention, being vulnerable, building the most human of connections between two friends or even acquaintances.

At the risk of coming across as touchy-feely (which seems to raise suspicion among many intelligent people), perhaps his simple message is worth a solid embrace?

jocc Level 4 May 30, 2019
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I think individuals can learn to be happy in almost any environment. If people of today are less happy it might be because of mass media constantly feeding the public negative messages about politics and perceived social problems. Dwelling in one’s mind about the grievances of the world is 100% sure to create stress, fear, anger and unhappiness.

If anyone is unhappy they can become happy by learning to police their thoughts, turning away from thoughts that are untrue, negative, or judgmental.

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I think it's difficult to compare generations - my grandmothers lived through 2 world wars and an American society that rapidly advanced technologically.

We tend to reminisce about yesteryear. There was plenty of stress in the 20th century. My parents had the same pressures to "keep up with the Joneses". For me it was cable tv, Converse Dr. J sneakers, Atari, etc. The more things change...

The myth is the "American Way". That's just rich people rationalizing their greed...

I bet if we looked back honestly we'd see the same stress and anxiety existing all along.

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You talk about the American way of life but I would suggest that the way of life expected in most western countries views personal acquisition of wealth and status as the focus for happiness. In other societies and other times, we viewed contentment as our contribution to society and care for each other. I would suggest that makes far far more sense.

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I think we have made the mistake of believing that a bigger choice is better for us. It actually is quite the reverse in my opinion, the more choice , the more anxiety we have that we are making the correct choice. Life was simpler when choice was limited, especially when purchasing consumer goods. There is now a feeling that we MUST have the latest model, or newest technology, and that we will be judged by others if we are seen to be unable or unwilling to keep up, on this ever “upgrading” treadmill. Our children are being raised to think this way, it’s very hard to not succumb to the peer pressure, they get it from their school friends. This has caused a collective anxiety, of feeling we must fit in with the herd. A culture of personal perfection has also grown up around the cell phone technology of selfie taking and posting on social media, this causes unhappiness and stress in the quest to look perfect. It means a form of narcissism becomes normalised in many, and causes great anxiety when others don’t “like” the images they post. This seems to me to be a form of collective addiction, and the only antidote to it is to opt out of it altogether. I think that in the developed world, society as a whole is in a transitional phase, the interconnectivity between countries because of the Internet and the way that international corporations can do business from anywhere, has changed the way they do business. Traditional jobs are no longer guaranteed, there’s much less security in employment and it’s easy to blame immigrants, which is why the parties of the extreme right have had a resurgence in popularity, playing to people’s fears and insecurity. Quite often, I find the happiest people live the simplest lives, eschewing the blandishments of consumerism....so yes I do believe that we have been sold a mirage.

I absolutely agree!

@mongo1977 I didn’t say it gave me anxiety...only those (most people from my own observations) who are on this treadmill...! You are free to agree or disagree with me...that is a more definable freedom. It’s interesting, because I never mentioned freedom...you did. I don’t believe we are truly free whilst we are being manipulated by subliminal advertising and peer pressure to make choices. We may think that we are freely choosing, but we’re not.

@mongo1977 I can’t give an accurate percentage, naturally, I’d guess at more than 75% are on the consumerism treadmill. There is no such thing as a universal contentment/ambition balance., some people are never happy no matter what they achieve. I do think that the happiest people count relationships more valuable than wealth or status, being happy at what you do is essential, and the company of people who bring you joy. Many people put ambition ahead of this and are usually the unhappiest. We have just had an announcement here in the UK, that yet another steel plant is to close with the loss of thousands of jobs...cheaper, but poorer quality imported steel from China making U.K. made steel uncompetitive. High Street stores closing due to online shopping, Amazon and other multinationals employing their staff on Zero Hours Contracts....all these cause anxiety, and uncertainty.

I agree that less choices in the area of consumerism has made me much happier. It is less stressful for me when I have a limited choice of what I will wear, eat, drive, etc. I think it is odd that I spent the first 40 years of my life accumulating, thinking I had all these choices; in fact, they bogged me down with having to care for these things, insure them, worry about them being stolen, etc.

Here I am at the last quarter of life living happily with so much less by choice...I am quite happy. The mirage of needing all those things is an insidious one that causes people to want to fill up something with things...I wish I had learned this sooner, but glad to have learned it at all.

@thinktwice You and I are on the same wavelength on this. I find having too many clothes a nightmare when I have to pack to go on holiday....I want to take so many choices of clothing and shoes, all the more to carry and lug around, and then end up wearing less than half of them...insane.

@Marionville I went to London from Kennedy with my purse and my passport and the clothes I had on...I survived just fine...

@thinktwice I know...I have had to do a real rethink, the budget airlines have reduced their baggage allowance, which has concentrated my mind for me! They charge up to £50 for hold baggage and only allow a very small sized bag as cabin baggage.

@Marionville I learned to do this because my bag is constantly lost even when I carry it on...I used to panic but it actually made me rethink my travel...I don't think anyone cares if I wear the same white blouse and black slacks as long as I air out a bit...ha ha ha...

@thinktwice Glad you added that last bit! 😂

@mongo1977 I think contentment most definitely is a human emotion, related to happiness. Ambition is harder to define and I believe it depends on a variety of factors, not least of which is personality. Our basic makeup , our DNA, determines whether we have a strong drive to succeed or are more passive, and content with whatever life throws at us, Circumstances also drive the need to try to do better, hunger and poverty are great motivators. So I would say that ambition and drive to do better is not natural to all of us, but it can be learned.

@mongo1977 I’m tired answering your questions...so I’ll turn that question around to you, and ask if you think my analysis was correct. I was not referring to the sick or mentally ill, or even those who are just bone idle. I was referring in generalities to personality types, and we seem to have strayed from the topic under discussion, to wit:- why happiness seems so elusive when we are demonstrably better off than previous generations?

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