@Neenz why do you think humans will suddenly evolve or change?

@Neenz I think it'd be useful if we had terminology for how much people believed/ wanted to participate in religion.... The gathering of like minded individuals to share rituals related to a common world view/ belief system. It seems like most religions now are theistic (example xtianity, hinduism), but not all (example some sects of Buddhism). To me, this Venus idea seems very religious, and to me thats a turn off. I realize there are people on this site who are atheists but religious, perhaps like yourself?

@Neenz now that's interesting.

@Neenz money allows for increased specializations which is critical for our development and diversity. It's not the source but a critical component of it.

@Neenz money is the ability to get someone to do something for you they normally wouldn't. Money is the ability to create art, music, literature, discover the wonders of the universe, cure diseases, educate others, and so much more. The reason money allows us to do all those things is because no one person has to do everything just to survive.

Humans were on the barter system for a long, long, long time and life was generally miserable.

@Neenz religion spontaneously exists all over the world... Its very valid... Its shaped societies, caused huge numbers of deaths,, given rise to new ways of thinking and learning... It may not be logical, but humanity is what it is

@Neenz uhm, no, you can't. You can for a few of those, but not all of them.

Money is a concept, like religion. Both have uses, good and bad. One we can do without and thrive, the other we can do without and stagnate. That's the differance.

@Neenz you've done nothing to support your position, except to claim I'm wrong because I'm under the influence of money. That's very childish behavior, btw.

So whatever, I'm done here, unless you actually attempt to show me why I'm wrong.

@Neenz wow, you really know how to back up a position.

Whatever.