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Qualia / subjectivity - are qualia really like monads strung together to create threads of experience, which themselves are weaved with one another to create our subjective view of the world? Or is the concept of qualia unnecessary, merely shorthand for a set of brain states? The adage that "the mind is what the brain does" has always satisfied me, but I admit to a strong bias towards the empirical / material. There's something about the qualia discussions i've read / heard that remind of me of some of Wittgenstein's ideas - that we can get ourselves confused by the ambiguity of our language, but this may just be due to a lack of imagination on my part. Thoughts?

snthszr 4 July 4
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Why does one need to spoil a lovely moment by analyzing it to death?

Many of the loveliest moments i've experienced have been while deeply considering interesting questions 🙂

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I've only picked up the idea that the mind has two departments: reason and intuition. I've read qualia described as sensations of perception and placed in the intuition department. I've only read Pirsig's ZAMM and couldn't help thinking of his quality as related to qualia. I've noticed ambiguity in terms recently as we discuss these things. I suppose it's because we've all read some books and not others.

I've not read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance in many years, though from what I recall, his quality does indeed map to qualia. I'm just wondering, wrt quality / qualia, if there's really anything there objectively (even if it results in subjectivity) that is distinct from our (imperfect and incomplete, but hopefully on the right track) idea of brain states or physical brain processes i.e. "the mind is what the brain does." Perhaps there is, but my predilection to physicalism (as well as general aversion to dualism) leaves me far from convinced.

It's hard to figure out. We can have a stone in our fist, the smell of dinner in our nostrils and a feeling of exuberation listening to some piece of music. Where do we draw the line at objective or do we draw any line at all? Pirsig describes quality in relation to our whole life as the leading/cutting edge of a train that was driven by our 'engines' and had a huge amount of containers full of data behind it. There might be a lot more detail about this quality in Lila but I haven't read it. For the moment, the best I can make of it is a kind of Power Of Now Buddist-type notion. While I'm used to the duality idea, there must be a good argument for everything happening in the brain.

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