I just got into a debate with someone about Jesus' crucifixion being God's Will, hypothetically. If we were the ones to go about doing this task, crucifying Jesus, would we oppose it? Or would we joyously crucify him for the good of mankind?
If god was omnipotent and omniscient it wouldn't be our choice. God could stop us at will, god could make us dit at will, god knows everything that will happen - so how can any part of it be down to us?
you forgot its gods will and gave us free will to do what ever makes sense to you not to me either. Gods plan we must follow and we have no power t ochange were is the free will at?
@benhmiller We are back to the logical impossibility of freewill and an omnipotent god existing at the same time. A square religionhas never circled.
There are many interesting questions within this question, though. Why do gods frequently demand a blood sacrifice, especially the blood sacrifice of an innocent? Why do gods want sacrifices at all, and why do they want our sacrifices to be especially difficult?
My theory is sacrifices are based on some primitive remnant from when we lived in the jungle and large predators hunted us. Like any prey, our ancestors ran and left the weak to die, "sacrificing" their friend and loved ones to the dark beasts who came in the night. Unless, of course, they hamstrung someone they did not like and left that monkey for the thing in the dark as a sacrifice, so their weak loved ones would be spared,
Mumbo jumbu aside, the goat sacrifice is literally a goat pushed into the wilderness to be killed by predators.
It's interesting that when the gods do not demand blood, they often receive food from worshipers.
The Mayans sacrificed humans often. Why? Because they feared the dark. Probably on some instinctual level they feared the nocturnal predators and responded to it the way their ancestors did; with blood, with food for the beast. "Eat this, not me!"
Why the innocent? Because their meat is the sweetest.
Give a predator a choice between someone old, someone middle aged and a child; which do you think it will go for?
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Jesus said, Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Consider that Jesus was "per say" forced to fulfill the prophesy of Isaiah, now, if a person is forced to do a crime under duress, is that person actually guilty of committing the crime?
Stranger than Fiction (2006)
Compare old testiment like the woman author in movie and Jesus is like Will Ferrell character. Jesus had to do what the author (old testiment) said. Jesus style God is not actually portrayed to be a "free will" Zues, Thor, or some other style God. HOWEVER, with conflation of paganism and Roman catholic christianity, modern concepts and movies portray Jesus as a free will agent. But, according to understanding how the biblical text has its theme and plot, most people do not know, understand or consider the way it is actually written.
John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
I wonder if this "father/son" could be compared to an avatar and of both definations? HINDUISM
Avatar
1 a manifestation of a deity or released soul in bodily form on earth; an incarnate divine teacher.
2
an icon or figure representing a particular person in video games, Internet forums, etc.
If the old testiment would of prophesied, "the anointed one will do the hokey pokey and put his right hand in and shook it all about, then poof everyone on Earth will brick homes built by true masons " Now we could look back as see that for past 2000 years everyone on Earth has had brick homes. But Prophesy did not say Jesus was to do hokey pokey, so brick homes being poofed didn't happen.
Somebody once said it would be a real sacrifice if Jesus went to hell and was tortured for eternity for our sins. All he did was have a bad weekend and now is in heaven for the rest of time. Not a bad deal. Dad set him up and did he really even feel the pain? He was god, right!
Crucifying Jesus is what made him a god. The churches and / or the religions that adopted Jesus as their savior gained a god when he was sacrificed for man. If Christians truly followed the teachings of Jesus, we wouldn’t have closed boarders or a massive homeless problem. Had they listened to what he was teaching instead of preaching what he was alleged to have said, we’d be better off,
This question reminds me of Utilitarianism, which is an ethical theory that promotes choosing acts that will produce the greatest good for the greatest number. In fact, this question embodies Utilitarianism.
With that said, adding god to the question may have made it a loaded question. By doing this, the answer to this question depends solely on your belief in god. For example, if God did exist as we have come to know him and I am convinced of his omnipotence, yes I would.
However, what if you had the choice to kill 1000 people to save 10 million. Without it being a divine command, instead, it becomes a question of trusting your human logic and morality.
I think most Atheists would oppose such a proposition just based on the ethic of reciprocity.