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Well i still believe the fact that there is an higher power, human creator, there should be a maker somewhere.

mbin002 3 Nov 1
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...and why not!

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"the FACT"!?

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@mbin002 -- Everyone has the right to be irrational, but that does not mean they should. Now, you said '...there should be a maker...' You also said, '...there is an higher power...' To both statements I say, why? Please, answer that question to the best of your ability.

Oh, and before you get all offended:

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You have every right to your belief, and it is just as rational as to believe that the universe and life just sort of popped into existence on accident.

More rational actually.

I would only add that from a human perspective it is impossible to understand ultimate reality beyond the senses, so belief and disbelief don’t apply.

There is an ultimate reality beyond our sense-world—that is definite, but questions about creation, immortality, space, time, location, those questions are meaningless from a cosmic perspective.

So, I went to the FB page for the Unity Church of Dothan and found a comment there from one Jan Farmer Buckhalt who left a rather nasty comment. I responded to her comment. A brief flurry followed.

@evidentialist What is your point? What was your purpose?
It doesn’t bother me—just wondering.

I don’t speak for them and they don’t speak for me.

@WilliamFleming -- If you read her comment, you would know my point. I'll give it to you here:

Jan Farmer Buckhalt doesn't recommend Unity Church of Dothan.
September 21

It is a demon processed cult that does not believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, that he gave His life on Calvary for the sins of the world, that was raised the third day, stands at the right hand of the Father, does not believe there is a real place called Heaven and Jesus is coming back after His born again children.
Their teachings is sending people to hell which they do not believe in an actual hell but will find out one day it is real
Stay far away from these people

I felt this was a bit over the top, that's all.

@evidentialist I agree 100%. She sounds like a real fanatic. I am glad that we have a few progressive and reasonable churches in the area to counterbalance those others.

I have no problem with the basic teachings of Unity and CSL—they resonate with me on a deep level. For various reasons I seem to be pulling back however. It’s too far for one thing. There are some great people over there though.

@evidentialist Who are these people? That’s my gig!

They are imposters, I need an address so that I can give them a piece of my mind. (Not any of the bits I use obviously)

@OwlInASack I sensed that mbim200 was slightly leery of posting his belief on an atheist/agnostic web site, and for good reason. Those opinions are routinely ridiculed on this site. He “still” believes...(despite all the arguments??)

On your second question, yes they do. I just today watched a YouTube video where that very thing was proposed. There’s even a book out there that advocates such, but I don’t remember its name.

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@OwlInASack Yes, the Big Bang theory is well-supported, but what caused the Big Bang? What conditions brought about the Big Bang? Why are the laws of physics what they are?

Deist belief is not in contradiction to Big Bang theory. Whether you say that God did it or that it was all just an accident, you have said nothing meaningful. That’s why I keep saying that belief or disbelief don’t apply. We are ignorant, and we live in a bubble of illusion that tends to keep us ignorant.

Donald Hoffman has some intriguing ideas. I just downloaded his recent book.

@OwlInASack Sounds like you are spot on.

I keep thinking you are a Brit, judging by some of your words, but then I see you are in NJ I believe it is.

We should, by all means, support and learn about science whilst keeping in mind the limits of science.

@OwlInASack Fascinating! I’m going to google Jersey right now.

@OwlInASack I just read about Jersey on Wikipedia. And I am enthralled—such a large population on such a small island. Wow! And you are so close to France. It seems odd that France was not able to take the island. Do you speak Norman French? How about Jèrriais?

Geography is not stressed in our US schools. We did learn some geography, but only in elementary school, and such young kids generally have little interest in geography. We had a Jersey cow, and I had assumed that Jersey was an English county.

I read this, which makes me think that Jersey is a very fine place:

“Farmers and growers often sell surplus food and flowers in boxes on the roadside, relying on the honesty of customers to drop the correct change into the money box and take what they want.”

One good thing about forums such as this is that a person is stimulated to learn new things. Sounds like you are in a great place. Enjoy!

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