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Every country in the world makes laws to oppress people especially women and immigrants. And some on this site think that the law is sacrosanct. But now that the SCOTUS is populated by right-wing judges, unjust laws in the. US will be upheld under appeal. But some on this site will defend the law. Should unjust law as be defended when the state loads the dice against the people? [womenintheworld.com]

ToolGuy 9 Dec 2
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As the old anarchist adage goes...

No government will ever give you freedom

Jnei Level 8 Dec 2, 2019
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No they should be overthrown

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What appears “just” to one person might seem unjust to another. The role of the Supreme Court is to interpret the constitution and decide on conflicting laws. Conservative justices oppose legislating from the bench.

The proper place for making laws is in the legislature. If changes in the constitution are wanted, there is a legal process for making those changes, and that process does not involve the court.

@ToolGuy The article is about injustice in Iran and has nothing to do with the US Supreme Court.

Conservative justices are the ones who believe in a strict interpretation of the constitution. Can you give instances where they have altered implementation? Implementation is a function of the executive branch in the US.

@ToolGuy I think like you on drug laws and abortion. The place for arguing those issues is in the legislature. The Supreme Court, if anything, has softened the impact of such laws so that they are not in conflict with the bill of rights.

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People argue that laws are made in good spirit and towards good goals. It is the enforcement that either is missing or wrong.

@ToolGuy This is an old news. It has been chewed online for months. There are bad places and bad laws. Your statement if (although included the article link) was generic about laws. I do not live in Iran or Saudi Arabia. You seem to show a penchant of nitpicking only on the bad in the world and especially overseas. I think there is a lot of mess in our own backyard and we should pay attention to our house first when it is on fire. We owe to the society we live in. The question is if we want to be doers or just voices crying out about the bad on the other side of the world that we hardly can do anything about? We have to look at the productivity of our efforts. The world has been crying out loud about Iran and ad places for over 40 years. But there are also some countries that do business with Iran and do see much wrong.

There is another angle to what you are doing. Have you ever thought about how much wrong Iranian society and their value systems see in our culture. A hijab is not wrong according to them bu a bikini is. You values think exactly the otherwise. Are you judging values of others according to yours?

@ToolGuy Have you lived in other conservatives societies like in India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Jordan?

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The reason I asked is because we are conditioned by our value system and have vehement opinions about other societies. I feel that it is the case with you.

I lived in 3 societies among the mentioned above. My mother and grandmother lived in those societies with rigid restrictions. Other than just restrictions, I did not think that the laws or unwritten traditions, customs were cruel. Men were protective of their families. If parents restricted daughters from staying out late and not going alone at night but allowed boys was for a reason. Just to protect and fit in the society we lived in. Men were great fathers, sons, husbands and brothers. Many viewed that Western societies have a lot of ills, lack of morality and too much of individualistic values. I heard it all the time. Do you know how much letting parents move to retirement homes and hospices is abhorred outside? Parents die in children's homes. If parent is dying, children insist that they be brought home. However, I never chose to criticize societies outside at random. We are conditioned by the environment we grow up and live in. There is a bad in our homes and in the homes of others. Our duty is fix things at home first. Criticism is cheap but actual help and being productive at it is not common.

@ToolGuy Oppressive laws in your POV? Have to talked to every day Iranians? American gun laws and exceptions are worse than hijab. Hijab does not kill children in schools and people in scores.

@ToolGuy Which is a bigger problem you think - a hijab or excessive gun freedom in the U.S.? Which battle is worth picking for us who live here?

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