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I am a syntheist who accepts both theism and atheism. I find that community and social progress are far more important and crucial than claiming whether, or not, a god exists. It's a very humanist stance that attempts to lift people up regardless of their beliefs, rather than just lusting after the need to be right all of the time. It's time we start judging others for their actions and intentions, instead of hounding on people for their thoughts, especially when a vast majority of these thoughts are imagined and synthesized from scratch.

Thoughts??

FiliusInfernum 5 Dec 20
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Thoughts?
Okay..... BOLLOCKS!

How thoughtful... πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

@FiliusInfernum Oh I thought about it and could have refuted each point individually, however it was easier and less time consuming to simply preces my thoughts in to one concise term.
Hence Bollocks
and if you actually believe the points proposed in the OP it is a waste of my time trying to engage in intelligent, reasoned or logical discussion with you 😊😊😊

@LenHazell53 Well, I'm sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking, how do you measure intelligence, reason, and logic??

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With you on that one. Makes no difference whether you’re black, white, brown, Christian, Taoist or Sikh.

We are all here trying to get through the best we can and for some their religion is the way through for others it’s not.

Who cares whether we say Happy Christmas or Happy Holidays. Who cares whether the Christian believes the wafer is the body of Christ or the atheist believes they are going to win the lottery; they are both most likely wrong!

Better to see what unites us than divides!

Well said Geoffrey!

Thanks Bill. To my mind too much irrelevant nonsense inflames people. Sad really.

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You may think what you wish, from an Atheist/Agnostic view point, but religion by its very nature is divisive, since the only product it has to sell is exclusivity, there being no profit, power or any other value in religion, to a god/spirit/understanding/knowledge which is freely available to everyone. That is why words like deist and spiritual were invented. So I think that it is with the other side you need to make your peace, though I do not think that you will have much luck.

My peace has been made. I don't expect strangers online to believe that in any shape, way, or form. I can see your point about the exclusivity, but that is not who I am.

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It is dangerous to conflate religious dogma with agnosticism and atheism. Religion by its nature wants to convert people and control them ALWAYS! That is they want people to believe what they do and most believe it is their god given duty to impose their beliefs on others. This is not the case for agnostics and atheist. Agnostics do not know if there is a god and atheist do not believe there is a god. There is no dogma to encourage them to MAKE others to share their not knowing or lack of belief. The religious kill people for not sharing their belief!

β€œReligion by its nature wants to convert people and control them ALWAYS! β€œ

Not all religions do that unless you consider ordinary teaching to be conversion and controlling. In that case schools are equally guilty. Granted that some religious groups use fear and guilt, and I join with you in condemnation of such tactics.

No one can convert or control another person without their cooperation.

I stand against all forms of tyranny and oppression. I don't care what anybody believes in, or not, if they spread hate. Actions speak louder than words. Oppressive cults and bullies will be knocked down a peg or two if I'm around. Violence and the violation of others personal rights will not be tolerated.

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Further, atheism has never assumed that we judge people negatively simply on the basis of their religious belief, unless other information reflects on them. Atheism is a rejection of a religious view not the person. What synthesizing is required?

The synthesis of an internal dialogue.

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This is just word play, like saying matter and anti-matter are the same. Don't think science would agree. If one wants to say that they are an atheist who is tolerant of religious believers, then fine. But a silly hybrid word like this is reflective of the fracturing and fragmenting of definitions in the non-religious position which I find annoying.

I have an amorphous set of beliefs and opinions just the same way we all have amorphous emotional states, just the same way that you can be compelled to have the opinion that a word is "silly". That's about as true and sincere as it gets. I won't deceive you intentionally. People age, people change, and so do their minds. Day in, and day out, and even by hour.

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I just read about Syntheism on Wikipedia. It sounds very attractive.

β€œSyntheism is the belief that the classic division between theism and atheism in theology has become redundant and must be overcome to fulfill contemporary and future spiritual needs.”

β€œ It is also supported by French philosopher Quentin Meillassoux in his idea of "God is a concept far too important to leave to the religious" in his book After Finitude.[6]”

So the God concept is far too important to leave to the religious. I like that.

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Sorry, you're just in a different "religion" or cult if you will. Despite what some believe, man does not need spiritualism of any kind. There is no need for a group who believes as some have described it as, "...the acknowledgement that all metaphysical beliefs center on a divinity or focal point which is man-made." Yes, man makes all religions. You don't need a group to say that people who believe in a religion should get along with people who don't. Amazingly enough I believe that and I'm not a syntheist.

lerlo Level 8 Dec 20, 2019

I subscribe to multiple groups and ideologies, not just syntheism.

@FiliusInfernum whatever works for you. Makes it easier to change with the tides.

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You are saying what I’ve been saying also. A person’s opinion about religion is only a small part of the whole person. The fact is that no one knows or can know the answers to the deep questions of reality, and it seems dumb to argue over such things.

I prefer to just be mystified, or even bewildered. It’s more honest.

Well said!!

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I think it's fine to accept both atheists and theists (I do, too). But it is inherently impossible to accept both atheISM and theISM. But perhaps the former is what you really mean.

In the Real World (tm) I don't "hound" anyone about their beliefs. In fact the topic seldom needs to come up. In places like this we vent about it, but I have lots of common cause with other humans of all kinds.

I often use the example of a soft-core Trump supporter who is an acquaintance of mine. His support for things that I think are destroying our country puts an inherent limitation on how close we can be in theory, but in practice, if he had a crisis and needed my support I'd be there for him, and I suspect he'd be there for me as well. He may love a pussy-grabbing serial adulterer and he may be sympathetic to the Abrahamic deity, but he also is a sweetie who mentors autistic children. People are logically inconsistent like that, and confusing, and messy. We can have access to their virtues by compartmentalizing and mostly overlooking their vices.

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