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A thoughtful (as always from Dr. Attia) article about the meat or no meat research wars.

I just finished a ribeye, my meal for the day. I feel great πŸ™‚

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Mitch07102 8 Mar 1
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"One more thing worth adding to this discussion: the perspective points to financial ties to industry as the exclusive conflict of interest, whether pro- or anti-meat.. While this is certainly a problem, what often isn’t discussed are the non-financial conflicts of interest these authors have in terms of their ideological, intellectual, and allegiance biases. Most of us are biased when it comes to nutrition. " (I would replace 'nutrition with 'food' ). Unfortunately, those with the most to lose are also those that contribute the most to pro-meat side.
It seems like this article shows yet another take on 'nutrition' yet omits any discussion on global health, sustainability and rights of sentient beings.

Agreed. I'd also point out a couple of things:

-With regenerative livestock practices, there can actually be a carbon benefit. (Yes, I know, this is different than factory meat practices now.
-The contribution of animals to our global warming problem is trivial. And reducing meat will lead to real, costly health issues.
-In order for any animal to live, others must die. It is not nice, but it....is. I've learned to accept it.

@Mitch07102 Thanks for the observation.
I looked up regenerative livestock practices and see it is mainly for small ranches. So much effort will drastically increase prices. What about large scale production for the exponentially increasing people? What about the lives of the animals? I live on a smallish island that has a lot of small farms and meat raising. People here often say they only eat local 'sustainably' grown meat. My question to them is do they become vegetarian when going to the mainland? So far not gotten any answer. If all meat were produced wit this method most people would not be able to afford it and there would be a big upsurge of meat-free food.

From what I have heard many times from many sources the carbon footprint of meat production is not insignificant. [foodrevolution.org]
Absolutely, nature is red of claw and tooth (and this comes from the 'loving' god that the religious refuse to see). However, it's one thing for a predator to kill for it's existence and another for an omnivore to kill and torture for food that is not needed for health but only for pleasure.
I think most of the vegetarians/vegans here were once meat eaters, I sure was. Information and the times have turned things around for us. Many see a meat diet as akin to smoking. How long did it take us to realize the harm from that habit and how many still cling to it?

@JackPedigo Your points are fair, though I urge you to continue to be open-minded about the environmental impact. As to meat being unhealthy, that is not supported by science. Nearly all of the headlines (Meat Causes Cancer!) one sees are not-educated summaries of observational epidemiology, which is useful for generating hypotheses but does not imply causality or prove anything. Nutrition epidemiology is especially weak. Once you eliminate the confounders (and there are always confounders) the case against meat goes away.

I am an N=1, however: I am 65. Weight is good, regular gym-goer. Biomarkers are excellent; strength-wise I test out in my 30's. I take no medicine for anything. It isn't genes: my father and grandfather died at 63 and 62. Key? I eat a low inflammation diet: Minimal, usually no sugar or white flour, and I avoid industrial oils like they are what they are, poison. My diet is mostly: fatty meat and fish (mostly meat), eggs, butter, salt. When I have it, bone broth and beef tallow for cooking. A little apple cider vinegar and lemon juice every morning.

@Mitch07102 Having an open mind, to me, often means weighing the evidence and making a final stand. 25+ years of learning and seeing evidence has gotten me to my present stand. Meat, especially red is full of chemicals and no reputable nutrition guide recommends it. I subscribe to Nutrition Action [nutritionaction.com] and try to keep up with the latest, unbiased research.Still the bottom line is why? Why do we need to go through a food source that is totally unsustainable and becoming more so every day with our burgeoning population? Why do we have to make study after study about something that is so controversial? 'Facts' are often muddied by the competing forces. Why do we have to expend so many resources, water, land, air to produce something that takes more calories to produce than it provides? Why do we have to subject sentient beings to torture and death for our own pleasure?

I know the body types (but haven't heard of N-1). I am ectomorph with a mass body ration of 22.5. Also no prescription medication (except over the counter for GERD). Am 72, have lifted weights most of my life and visit our local gym twice a week. No gluten, dairy, eggs or soy and very little sugar. All my signs are within range. Shun the 'Atkins' and 'Paleo' diet like the plague. A recent Netflix program recommended several times on this site is "The Game Changer". [netflix.com]
BTW all males (4) on my father's side died in their mid-60's. The 2 girls lived to be 89. Yes, it need not be about genes but lifestyle and mine works just fine for me.

@JackPedigo n=1, as in I am not a study, just me. I wouldn't be so fast to endorse Game Changer. It's nonsense.

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I enjoy both and we evolved as omnivores, it wasn't until some apes started eating meat that they had enough energy to support bigger brains. Until advances in agricultural the going meatless was a viable option . I don't begrudge vegans or vegetarians their choices but don't criticize mine

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Good for you...this isn’t just an American thing...we get preached at by the Vegan β€œmafia”over here in the U.K. too. I don’t eat as much red meat as I used to...mainly because it’s too darned expensive! However, I do also enjoy meat free dishes too, it’s all about balance..balance in all things in our lives, diet included. There are far too many β€œextremesβ€œ in my opinion...be it diet, religion, politics, opinions etc., why is moderation and striking a sensible balance so hard to grasp for some people.

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Who gives a shit. People should eat whatever they want. This is one of the most boring conversations Americans have. It is as stupid as boxers or briefs. This is the biggest either/or country on the planet.

I do πŸ™‚

@Mitch07102 Well good for you. You must not have cable.

@Sticks48 Correct, for over twenty years. I have over-the-air reception, though since the Super Bowl (I like NFL football) my TV has been unplugged.

@Mitch07102 I thought so.

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