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Let me relate a story from my younger days, when I was a technician.
One of my tasks was to fly regularly to a town called Mwanza, on the shores of lake Victoria, where a German aid project was building a huge hospital.
In this town was a friendly Asian grocer, whose dream was to own a hotel. To this end he had scrimped and saved, and when I first met him he proudly showed me a small plot of land, which he had just bought, on the fringe of the town.
A year later, in great excitement, he showed me the foundations of his hotell being poured.
I would stop by and talk to him on my inspection visits, and a year later he was ecstatic as he told me his hotel was about to open and gave me a guided tour of his dream.
It was on 2 levels, the bottom level comprising a kitchen, a dining room, a lounge with a primitive bar, and a minute reception desk.
The upper level comprised 6 simple rooms, accessed via an outside corridor, itself accessed by an open staircase to one side of the building.
From then on, I regularly booked a room in his "hotel" for my visits, rather than staying in 4 star comfort. I liked the man and felt he had worked and scrimped so hard for his dream, primitive though it was.
The hospital project was finally completed, and with it my regular visits came to an end.
Then, in 1971, the government of Tanzania nationalised all buildings with a value that exceeded 100,000 shillings. ($14,400) People woke up to discover they now had to pay rent to live in their own house.
My friend was given the job of hotel manager, at a low salary, and had to answer to a government official.
Where was the world outcry? Nowhere
"It's unimportant, it's Africa" was the world's concensus.
This is the type of Socialism I fear. The one that dictates and takes for its own ends, rather than attempting to improve the lives of its citizens.
By all means tax the better off, proportionally to their wealth, to help the worse off. I approve the concept of free, basic universal health care, I approve the concept of free, basic education, in fact I approve many concepts that are for the general good.
However, I do not support Socialism when It becomes extreme, as it did in Julius Nyerere's Tanzania.

Petter 9 Mar 1
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I suspect many, if not most, people would agree. What sort of system do you live in?

Kenya, where I grew up and lived until I was 46 years old, had a pragmatic approach, supporting social good where it was affordable. For instance, primary school education was free, but not the cost of school books. Government hospitals were free, but extremely basic. In Kenya I paid tax at the top rate of 50% and also paid a massive hospital insurance premium.
For the past 32 years I have lived in Spain, paying tax at a lower rate, and yet enjoying free medical care, etc.

@Petter Here, in the US, primary school was always tax paid, unless one chose private schools (usually parochial) though some of those can be had on the taxpayer dime nowadays too. I have always been agreeable to paying taxes to support education.
I am less eager about higher education though, as I think much may be squandered.

If you are poor in the US, you won't pay anything for healthcare. The majority of full time workers have healthcare through their employers (strange system, I know) but the terms have changed over the years and are generally dictated by the insurance companies. Finally in recent years, we can worry less about pre-existing conditions. When we get around to universal health care, we may have some adjusting to do. I would hope the government approaches it with a reasonable degree of frugality, but Americans are probably over treated and may continue to demand such. On the other hand, I do not wish to be restricted in my choice of care.

@Petter When Britain completely leaves the EU will you still enjoy free health care?

Socialism means the means of production is either owned OR regulated by the community. What you described in Tanzania sounds like communism to me.

@Lorajay I am an accredited Spanish pensioner and resident. I have no pension in Britain, having never lived there.
Tanzania, lokye many African countries, imposed "African Socialism".
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