Earlier in examination of other nations' responses to covid I linked an article that discussed Russia's response. Russia's response included using military plane(s) to escort citizens back to the country into a forced quarantine in Siberia. Would the US be capable of a similar military response if there had indeed been approximately 16,000 citizens in Wuhan at the time? Why or why not? If planes would have been impractical for travel what about vessels? How would our nation have responded if somehow all planes had been grounded out of another country and citizens were stranded there? Also quarantining? What would have been the options? If there truly were only 16,000 in Wuhan and we now have 26,000 infected (and are just getting started) are we now questioning the effectiveness of our original approach?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.It looks like a Navy carrier can carry 6k to 9.5k passengers.
Flowerwall
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Mar 22, 2020
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Not sure of the question. Could it be done? Yes. Then it's just a matter of logistics. ~100 people on a C-130 per trip, ~50 on a C-17, vs 200+ on a 737.
The original approach was to limit travel. That failed before anyone even knew there was a real issue due to several infected people (with little to no symptoms) from Wuhan attending a conference and spreading worldwide from there. By the time the world leaders woke up to the pandemic, it was already too late.
Surchin
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Mar 22, 2020
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When would you guess world leaders woke? Can you list a date?
@Flowerwall no one date. I am in healthcare at the far end of the supply chain. Doing work with state dept. We have been working with DOD since at least mid January. Trying to get information to leaders, and having them act on it is a process. Even now getting pushback from lawyers who think they know more about medicine than we do. Same issue Dr Fauci is experiencing.
@Surchin Trying to get leaders to respond in what way? What lawyers are giving you pushback and for what reason?
From what I have heard from people in medical field government has been not letting certain med supplies get disbursed "in preparation" for this disaster for quite some time, well over a month. I think even going back FURTHER. Again I will state if there 16,000 citizens in Wuhan at the time. WHY have we created this major disruption to life instead of having a dealt with original sick which with 5% infection rate would have been 800 people? Businesses are shut down, schools. People are losing money like crazy. All because we failed to act in a manner of biodefense in a short period of time.
We saw what happened in Wuhan. Watched people being pulled away to quarantine, watched hospitals being built. Why didn't our nation IMMEDIATELY respond? Are we somehow immune? Biodefense was faulty.
@Flowerwall Some of these questions are proprietary information or could give intel to the anti-coalition forces and will not comment on them. The DoS personnel are more concerned about being politically correct than about medical. In effect we cannot be seen as giving higher screening to local nationals coming onto the camp than military forces coming on the camp. The way around that is everyone gets screened. There was pushback about screening at the beginning.
Again the problem was once it was identified, people had already left the area with the infection. Being without symptoms, they spread it at conferences. Each person that gets it spreads it to 2.5 people on average. At a certain point it hits exponential growth, not linear, and just explodes. For comparison, each person with the flu spreads it to 1.1 people. This is much more contagious than the flu.
In a free society we cannot lock people down at a federal level. I applaud organizations such as the NCAA, NBA, SxSW, and many others who voluntarily shut down their events. This part part of the responsibility of people and organizations in a free society.
@Surchin How would our response have differed if Americans had been subjected to a chemical attack overseas? Why did we not assume this may have been bioterrorism?
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